nycericanguy wrote:I was always worried about ORL throwing $30m at IQ, Utah is another possibility as well.
Even with Suggs, Cole Anthony, and Anthony Black on their roster? And Fultz possibility?
yea, none of those guys have panned out to where you wouldn't go after an IQ type guard if you're ORL. They desperately need guard scoring and shooting and IQ fits both while also fitting their defensive identity.
and Fultz is a very unreliable non shooter who probably is best suited playing point forward off the bench.
Nalod@ 1/14/2024 5:12 PM
The need to pick between Anthony or Suggs at some point. Both are having good seasons in different ways. Im not feeling the money for IQ but his agent knows and he will l have choices unless Toronto overpays. Its leverage as they don't want him to leave.
Odds are this guys usually stay so my guess is IQ is a Raptor for some time. Oh, is nobody worried Detroit or other throws a big number at OG?
BigDaddyG@ 1/14/2024 10:16 PM
Nalod wrote:The need to pick between Anthony or Suggs at some point. Both are having good seasons in different ways. Im not feeling the money for IQ but his agent knows and he will l have choices unless Toronto overpays. Its leverage as they don't want him to leave.
Odds are this guys usually stay so my guess is IQ is a Raptor for some time. Oh, is nobody worried Detroit or other throws a big number at OG?
Define "big" under the new CBA? I don't think a team is gonna throw $50M per at Obi, if that's what you mean.
Nalod@ 1/15/2024 9:38 AM
BigDaddyG wrote:
Nalod wrote:The need to pick between Anthony or Suggs at some point. Both are having good seasons in different ways. Im not feeling the money for IQ but his agent knows and he will l have choices unless Toronto overpays. Its leverage as they don't want him to leave.
Odds are this guys usually stay so my guess is IQ is a Raptor for some time. Oh, is nobody worried Detroit or other throws a big number at OG?
Define "big" under the new CBA? I don't think a team is gonna throw $50M per at Obi, if that's what you mean.
Good question. "Big"? a number that he can play into but some teams will be scared off to match? "Big" is a number where he is the highest paid on your team but not the best player? I understand Leons trepidation (Do I really??) and the trade seems to make sense across a wide spectrum of fans and media. All but haters who just fine reason to be miserable to be "That guy".
Id say anything larger 25mm is a big number. I know salaries are lgoing up but more than RJ, Brunson or Randle even if temporary would have been for guy off the bench. "Big" for knicks might not be too big for team that sees him as a finishing piece in their organization. FVV was a crazy number but it was for two years and has to been as a bridge type player for the root. Detroit might be desperate enough? Orlando might be at crossroad where they have to make decisions. Like we did.
martin@ 1/15/2024 12:10 PM
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Going to mention Bulls fans at their big super team Ring of Honor celebration booing Jerry Krause and making his widow cry. Would that be peculiar to Chicago or are there fans everywhere of that, uh, caliber? And is it a modern thing or have dirtbags always had their day?
Nalod@ 1/15/2024 1:11 PM
too bad Jordan did or pippin shush them. That shit was low. I would have figured after watching the last dance things would have been cleared up. Jordan was cooked, Pippen wanted money, and Phil was burnt out. That was a hell of a run, 6 chips in 8 years. Phil was there 9 seasons. announcer said "thats not Chicago, thats NY or Philly". Fuck that, I'd hope MSG would not do that. Philly boo'd Santa clause so maybe. Krause did an amazing job there. Not perfect and Jordan was a gift of course, but he hired Phil which took balls as he had no head coach experience in the NBA. And that run sustained thru two rebuilds which the GM should get some cred. Was Jordans ego outsized. You bet. Was Krause? Sure, he wanted some acknowledgment. Also its known the owner,Krause and Phil all agreed one more year and that was it. Last dance also depicted it was time to shut it down. Maybe never losing a final was a way to also cement the legacy? Krause was not perfect but to boo him and to his wife was disgusting.
VDesai@ 1/16/2024 8:13 AM
Burks with 34 last night. His 3 pt shooting has picked up lately. Have to think a lot of teams are gonna be targeting him
Nalod@ 1/16/2024 9:05 AM
VDesai wrote:Burks with 34 last night. His 3 pt shooting has picked up lately. Have to think a lot of teams are gonna be targeting him
Detroit won. The need wins. The Tank is in, they will finish bottom 4 either way.
BigDaddyG@ 1/16/2024 9:15 AM
Nalod wrote:
VDesai wrote:Burks with 34 last night. His 3 pt shooting has picked up lately. Have to think a lot of teams are gonna be targeting him
Detroit won. The need wins. The Tank is in, they will finish bottom 4 either way.
Alec is hitting about 40% from three, but his numbers in the paint are bad. I think he's still a useful player but he's not getting much value in return. I could see the Pistons thinking they're just better off keeping him.
Clean@ 1/16/2024 9:29 AM
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Notice anything with Quick? Still having a problem breaking down D of good defensive teams. This is still the regular season so they are not even gameplanning yet. His 3pt shooting also seems to depends a lot on how comfortable the defense is letting him be. Whenever teams pressure him or don't let him break down the defense his 3pt shooting also suffers. That is why he shot 18% last playoffs. We still need him off the bench but this is why I don't go crazy everytime he has a good game against a bad team or poor defending team. For me it is all about the playoffs.
BigDaddyG@ 1/16/2024 9:46 AM
Clean wrote:
Javascript is not enabled or there was problem with the URL: https://twitter.com/JustEsBaraheni/status/1747082367729123440
Notice anything with Quick? Still having a problem breaking down D of good defensive teams. This is still the regular season so they are not even gameplanning yet. His 3pt shooting also seems to depends a lot on how comfortable the defense is letting him be. Whenever teams pressure him or don't let him break down the defense his 3pt shooting also suffers. That is why he shot 18% last playoffs. We still need him off the bench but this is why I don't go crazy everytime he has a good game against a bad team or poor defending team. For me it is all about the playoffs.
Quick looked bad during that sequence, but I think this speaks more to the Raps spacing issues. That paint was packed tight.
Clean@ 1/16/2024 10:00 AM
BigDaddyG wrote:
Clean wrote:
Javascript is not enabled or there was problem with the URL: https://twitter.com/JustEsBaraheni/status/1747082367729123440
Notice anything with Quick? Still having a problem breaking down D of good defensive teams. This is still the regular season so they are not even gameplanning yet. His 3pt shooting also seems to depends a lot on how comfortable the defense is letting him be. Whenever teams pressure him or don't let him break down the defense his 3pt shooting also suffers. That is why he shot 18% last playoffs. We still need him off the bench but this is why I don't go crazy everytime he has a good game against a bad team or poor defending team. For me it is all about the playoffs.
Quick looked bad during that sequence, but I think this speaks more to the Raps spacing issues. That paint was packed tight.
The paint would be packed like that for us whenever Josh, RJ or Randle are on the floor. Teams want those 3 to try and beat them from outside. It would be the same situation as in the playoff last season. It would be fine if Quicks 3pt shooting did not also tank once he is not allowed to be comfortable on offense. You can live with 1 negative. You can't live with both, especially is you are going to start paying him 25mil plus a season.
Edit: For those who do not understand, I added RJ because we are talking about what would happen if we did not complete the trade.
VDesai@ 1/16/2024 10:10 AM
BigDaddyG wrote:
Nalod wrote:
VDesai wrote:Burks with 34 last night. His 3 pt shooting has picked up lately. Have to think a lot of teams are gonna be targeting him
Detroit won. The need wins. The Tank is in, they will finish bottom 4 either way.
Alec is hitting about 40% from three, but his numbers in the paint are bad. I think he's still a useful player but he's not getting much value in return. I could see the Pistons thinking they're just better off keeping him.
He had a bad start but he's playing better the last 3 weeks or so. Would be very interesting to pick up someone like Isiah Stewart as well as Burks, but not sure we have the right deal. Would have to be something like Fournier/Grimes/Sims. They get another veteran to come off the bench, a young wing with defensive chops and a flier on another big guy. Think it makes some sense for both teams, but Stewart's contract may make it impossible to keep Hartenstein long term.
BigDaddyG@ 1/16/2024 10:55 AM
Clean wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
Clean wrote:
Javascript is not enabled or there was problem with the URL: https://twitter.com/JustEsBaraheni/status/1747082367729123440
Notice anything with Quick? Still having a problem breaking down D of good defensive teams. This is still the regular season so they are not even gameplanning yet. His 3pt shooting also seems to depends a lot on how comfortable the defense is letting him be. Whenever teams pressure him or don't let him break down the defense his 3pt shooting also suffers. That is why he shot 18% last playoffs. We still need him off the bench but this is why I don't go crazy everytime he has a good game against a bad team or poor defending team. For me it is all about the playoffs.
Quick looked bad during that sequence, but I think this speaks more to the Raps spacing issues. That paint was packed tight.
The paint would be packed like that for us whenever Josh, RJ or Randle are on the floor. Teams want those 3 to try and beat them from outside. It would be the same situation as in the playoff last season. It would be fine if Quicks 3pt shooting did not also tank once he is not allowed to be comfortable on offense. You can live with 1 negative. You can't live with both, especially is you are going to start paying him 25mil plus a season.
Edit: For those who do not understand, I added RJ because we are talking about what would happen if we did not complete the trade.
Maybe. It would be a bit different because of Donte and Grimes. Heck, even McBride compared Schroeder. It was Quick's second playoff series so I won't go to crazy. The thing I did notice is that IQ is still struggling with his playmaking. His role of the bench was simplifies. He would just shot the fadeaway or the floater. He seemed to be overthinking what to and the Celts did a good job of putting him no man's land. All said, I agree the trade made sense and I'm looking forward from here on out. If Quick turns out to be a busy, then so be it. That's what they get for sticking us with Malachi Flynn.
martin@ 1/16/2024 11:35 AM
Clean wrote:
Javascript is not enabled or there was problem with the URL: https://twitter.com/JustEsBaraheni/status/1747082367729123440
Notice anything with Quick? Still having a problem breaking down D of good defensive teams. This is still the regular season so they are not even gameplanning yet. His 3pt shooting also seems to depends a lot on how comfortable the defense is letting him be. Whenever teams pressure him or don't let him break down the defense his 3pt shooting also suffers. That is why he shot 18% last playoffs. We still need him off the bench but this is why I don't go crazy everytime he has a good game against a bad team or poor defending team. For me it is all about the playoffs.
Clean, I am with you on this.
IMHO, this is one of those ceiling things with IQ. He can be a really good player but as a PG with the ball in his hands, one of the things you ask of that position is breakdown ability and I don't think IQ has that at a high enough level.
Additionally, his handle or dribble drive is not yet good enough. Yet. Often enough, he doesn't know what to do when he gets into the heart of the defense. I can't tell if that's decision-making, handle or what. Maybe he figures it out, maybe he does not.
martin@ 1/16/2024 8:34 PM
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Pacers are low-key loaded primarily because Haliburton is a star that makes all the other pieces fall into place.
A combo of B Brown, Obi and J Smith works for salaries and then you have the 3 picks.
If that is basic deal Pacers still have nice young pieces PF Walker, Mathurin, Nesmith, I Jackson and Nebhart - to go along with Hali, Siakim, Turner, Hield & McConnell.
I do wonder about Hali’s body holding up long term - such a pencil.
Clean@ 1/16/2024 11:29 PM
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How do 3 refs miss this travel? What else could they be looking at?
VDesai@ 1/17/2024 10:47 AM
LivingLegend wrote:
martin wrote:
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Pacers are low-key loaded primarily because Haliburton is a star that makes all the other pieces fall into place.
A combo of B Brown, Obi and J Smith works for salaries and then you have the 3 picks.
If that is basic deal Pacers still have nice young pieces PF Walker, Mathurin, Nesmith, I Jackson and Nebhart - to go along with Hali, Siakim, Turner, Hield & McConnell.
I do wonder about Hali’s body holding up long term - such a pencil.
Secretly hoping Obi will go to Toronto, not because I want to pull a djsunyc, but seeing our 3 young guns running together again would be pretty fun
