Knicks · Why not Jrue Holiday ? (page 2)

ESOMKnicks @ 9/28/2023 6:25 AM
Some Knicks fans remind me of the plain daughter from a Jane Austen novel, who resents her prettier sisters for getting married before she has had a chance to, and starts desperately throwing herself at just about any unengaged male acquaintance.
What's the point of speculating regarding just about any quality player who becomes available? Especially one that has neither a positional nor a generational fit with what the team is looking to do right now.
These times are over, and people should have some more dignity now.
Nalod @ 9/28/2023 6:39 AM
Knixkik wrote:
martin wrote:Trading Jrue for RJ plus whatever barely makes sense from Portland’s perspective.

They already have Sharpe, Scoot, Anfernee Simons, Matisse Thybulle, 1st round #23 Kris Murray. Jeramy Grant’s best position is probably SF.

Trade gotta work both ways.

It’s nitpicking but J Grant is absolutely a 4 these days. Barrett isn’t perfect but you can’t have enough wings. Portland will have to take back significant salary in a holiday trade. I think Barrett will make more sense than most bad contracts some contenders will have to attach to make the money work. The Knicks have the assets, and Barrett is a player they can easily talk themselves into just like Ayton. If you look around at other teams who will be in the market for Jrue, not sure there’s any team that can offer a contract or player that is more reasonable than Barrett for a rebuilding team.

“Cant have enough wings”, i agree but would we would a bit thin if we trade RJ as said?

martin @ 9/28/2023 7:18 AM
martin @ 9/28/2023 7:38 AM
Knixkik @ 9/28/2023 8:18 AM
martin wrote:

They do a good job laying it out here and why it makes sense.

Knixkik @ 9/28/2023 8:19 AM
joec32033 wrote:I am not looking to hijack this thread but Barrett seems to be the most versatile guy on this roster. Everyone has included him in trades for stars like DMitchell, Giannis, Dame, Harden, Lavine, Derozan, George to secondary stars/high quality role players like OG, now Holiday, Grant to lower end talent like Bogdanovic, draft picks, Keldon Johnson.....

If that is not the definition versatility I don't know what is.

He’s a young player on a reasonable contract that can play multiple positions. It makes sense.

martin @ 9/28/2023 8:39 AM
fishmike @ 9/28/2023 8:51 AM
technomaster wrote:Wait what, the just-turned 33 year old Holiday is old?

He's coming off a regular season where he averaged 19.3ppg, 7.4apg, 5.1rpg, with .479 FG%, .384 3pt%, and .859FT%.

While I agree he's on the wrong side of 30, he probably as a few more years as a relatively elite player and is every bit as impactful as Brunson, especially if you factor in his elite D (and Brunson's lack of it).

Throwing him as a 3rd option gives you a player just as reliable as Brunson/Randle were last season.

His presence on the team would certainly change the youth movement, but swapping him in for RJ, Grimes, or Quickley (or even 2 of them) would give this team much more of a championship vibe this season.

those are pretty much IQ's #s as a starter last year.
fishmike @ 9/28/2023 8:53 AM
joec32033 wrote:I am not looking to hijack this thread but Barrett seems to be the most versatile guy on this roster. Everyone has included him in trades for stars like DMitchell, Giannis, Dame, Harden, Lavine, Derozan, George to secondary stars/high quality role players like OG, now Holiday, Grant to lower end talent like Bogdanovic, draft picks, Keldon Johnson.....

If that is not the definition versatility I don't know what is.

more like a fan base willing to trade RJ for anything lol. He's so versatile Knick fans will trade him for ANYONE
Nalod @ 9/28/2023 9:42 AM
fishmike wrote:
joec32033 wrote:I am not looking to hijack this thread but Barrett seems to be the most versatile guy on this roster. Everyone has included him in trades for stars like DMitchell, Giannis, Dame, Harden, Lavine, Derozan, George to secondary stars/high quality role players like OG, now Holiday, Grant to lower end talent like Bogdanovic, draft picks, Keldon Johnson.....

If that is not the definition versatility I don't know what is.

more like a fan base willing to trade RJ for anything lol. He's so versatile Knick fans will trade him for ANYONE

He in the "Randle tradeable Zone" from the last few years.
WE don't really think RJ contributed to the 47 win and 2nd round season?
Fact is as 3rd option and his inconsistency makes him expendable for star. In some aspects I agree.
Im not that blind! LOL.........
Evan is hostage trade fodder and RJ is the young starter. Add 2-4 picks and your got something. Problem is as much as we love Josh Hart, he is limited offensively and RJ still has yet to hit his ceiling. He is not that far off, but im sure the Coaches understand the deal more than we do. We know the stat line that makes him valuable. What we don't know is how to get him there besides "more is better".

Knixkik @ 9/28/2023 10:20 AM
fishmike wrote:
joec32033 wrote:I am not looking to hijack this thread but Barrett seems to be the most versatile guy on this roster. Everyone has included him in trades for stars like DMitchell, Giannis, Dame, Harden, Lavine, Derozan, George to secondary stars/high quality role players like OG, now Holiday, Grant to lower end talent like Bogdanovic, draft picks, Keldon Johnson.....

If that is not the definition versatility I don't know what is.

more like a fan base willing to trade RJ for anything lol. He's so versatile Knick fans will trade him for ANYONE

I hope we keep RJ long term. But we would be crazy not to trade him for a 2-way star. For all his upside, the Knicks were better statistically when he was off the floor last year. I do think that will improve though.

BigDaddyG @ 9/28/2023 10:37 AM
Knixkik wrote:
fishmike wrote:
joec32033 wrote:I am not looking to hijack this thread but Barrett seems to be the most versatile guy on this roster. Everyone has included him in trades for stars like DMitchell, Giannis, Dame, Harden, Lavine, Derozan, George to secondary stars/high quality role players like OG, now Holiday, Grant to lower end talent like Bogdanovic, draft picks, Keldon Johnson.....

If that is not the definition versatility I don't know what is.

more like a fan base willing to trade RJ for anything lol. He's so versatile Knick fans will trade him for ANYONE

I hope we keep RJ long term. But we would be crazy not to trade him for a 2-way star. For all his upside, the Knicks were better statistically when he was off the floor last year. I do think that will improve though.


Is Jrue that guy tho? Nice player but 1: We already have bunch of guys in the 6'3" to 6'5" range who play defense and hit the three at a decent rate and 2:We already have a top notch lead ballhandler. Holidays overall skillet is kind of redundant. We don't need another combo guard. Including RJ in a deal for Holiday would make this lineup even smaller. Fournier, IQ or Grimes would make more sense in a potential Holiday deal. I'm pretty sure that IQ wouldn't interest Portland, especially if he's extended. I'm not sure a deal makes roster sense for the Knicks unless IQ is included.
martin @ 9/28/2023 10:42 AM
Philly gotta trade for Jrue Holiday, to complete The Process.
BigDaddyG @ 9/28/2023 10:48 AM
martin wrote:Philly gotta trade for Jrue Holiday, to complete The Process.

fishmike @ 9/28/2023 11:04 AM
BigDaddyG wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
fishmike wrote:
joec32033 wrote:I am not looking to hijack this thread but Barrett seems to be the most versatile guy on this roster. Everyone has included him in trades for stars like DMitchell, Giannis, Dame, Harden, Lavine, Derozan, George to secondary stars/high quality role players like OG, now Holiday, Grant to lower end talent like Bogdanovic, draft picks, Keldon Johnson.....

If that is not the definition versatility I don't know what is.

more like a fan base willing to trade RJ for anything lol. He's so versatile Knick fans will trade him for ANYONE

I hope we keep RJ long term. But we would be crazy not to trade him for a 2-way star. For all his upside, the Knicks were better statistically when he was off the floor last year. I do think that will improve though.


Is Jrue that guy tho? Nice player but 1: We already have bunch of guys in the 6'3" to 6'5" range who play defense and hit the three at a decent rate and 2:We already have a top notch lead ballhandler. Holidays overall skillet is kind of redundant. We don't need another combo guard. Including RJ in a deal for Holiday would make this lineup even smaller. Fournier, IQ or Grimes would make more sense in a potential Holiday deal. I'm pretty sure that IQ wouldn't interest Portland, especially if he's extended. I'm not sure a deal makes roster sense for the Knicks unless IQ is included.
the bold is the key man... develop the youth and build the depth up.
martin @ 9/28/2023 11:22 AM
Man, if Portland can move Jrue for CP3 and one of Moody/Kumbiga plus draft capital... and then move CP3 again? That's a good move.

martin @ 9/28/2023 11:37 AM
fishmike @ 9/28/2023 12:28 PM
I trust our FO... if Holiday was a playoff stud this would make more sense. He's NOT and has been really bad at times, and his numbers show this.

The culture is set. Any older player we get better be here to elevate us to the next step.

KnickDanger @ 9/28/2023 12:55 PM
ESOMKnicks wrote:Some Knicks fans remind me of the plain daughter from a Jane Austen novel, who resents her prettier sisters for getting married before she has had a chance to, and starts desperately throwing herself at just about any unengaged male acquaintance.
What's the point of speculating regarding just about any quality player who becomes available? Especially one that has neither a positional nor a generational fit with what the team is looking to do right now.
These times are over, and people should have some more dignity now.

I love this board for its breadth of personalities, opinions, and takes - and the occasional Jane Austen reference to go with the Alba drool festing. And of course knowledgeable analysis, but who cares about that? And certainly I agree with the analogy. I'll add there is a clickbait cottage industry created just to feed fan neurosis. You can tell we're creeping up on the season because the "trade everything for a star even a mediocre one" "articles" are dropping like Autumn leaves.

Go New York Go New York Go!

ramtour420 @ 9/28/2023 1:57 PM
fishmike wrote:
technomaster wrote:Wait what, the just-turned 33 year old Holiday is old?

He's coming off a regular season where he averaged 19.3ppg, 7.4apg, 5.1rpg, with .479 FG%, .384 3pt%, and .859FT%.

While I agree he's on the wrong side of 30, he probably as a few more years as a relatively elite player and is every bit as impactful as Brunson, especially if you factor in his elite D (and Brunson's lack of it).

Throwing him as a 3rd option gives you a player just as reliable as Brunson/Randle were last season.

His presence on the team would certainly change the youth movement, but swapping him in for RJ, Grimes, or Quickley (or even 2 of them) would give this team much more of a championship vibe this season.

those are pretty much IQ's #s as a starter last year.

Exactly, with similar d. In a year or two IQ will pass those numbers while providing better D
TheGame @ 9/28/2023 2:47 PM
I will say two things:

First, Jrue is the reason the Bucks won the championship two years ago. Dude played out of his mind on offense and defense. Gannis was Gannis, but Jrue was the difference maker that pushed them over the top.

Second, Jrue is too old, costs too much, and does not move the needle enough for us to trade for him. I would rather wait for D Mitchell to become a FA in two years.

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