martin wrote:Knicks got the defensive version of Obi in Precious, and Precious is more the mold of what the team can use long term.
Precious looks like his shooting confidence is destroyed. Needs a pick me up. I think he is better than he is shooting lately but needs to shut down the part of his brain that is interfering. He's a big bear with big fucking claws. Needs to act like it.
fishmike wrote:anyone still wondering why he's not here?
Oh I think his (team “leading”) -25 last night would have made all the difference.
Philc1 wrote:KnickDanger wrote:The idea that the Obi trade along with moves from two to three years ago negatively impacted the depth of a team in the second round of the playoffs and up 2 - 1….What are we seeing if not incredible depth with three starters and an important rotation player out? And are you playing Obi ahead of Precious?Come on.
We lost Randle in January. Obviously we could have used Toppin on the roster
We hypothetically could have used Carmelo on the roster...
fishmike wrote:anyone still wondering why he's not here?
The one season Randle DOESN'T play 70+ games lol
technomaster wrote:Philc1 wrote:KnickDanger wrote:The idea that the Obi trade along with moves from two to three years ago negatively impacted the depth of a team in the second round of the playoffs and up 2 - 1….What are we seeing if not incredible depth with three starters and an important rotation player out? And are you playing Obi ahead of Precious?Come on.
We lost Randle in January. Obviously we could have used Toppin on the roster
We hypothetically could have used Carmelo on the roster...
Yeah but Carmelo wasn’t already on the roster on a cheap rookie scale contract and he’s also 20 years older
fishmike wrote:anyone still wondering why he's not here?
Look we got OG now oh wait
Philc1 wrote:fishmike wrote:anyone still wondering why he's not here?
Look we got OG now oh wait
Someone woke up in a mood today...
Philc1 wrote:technomaster wrote:Philc1 wrote:KnickDanger wrote:The idea that the Obi trade along with moves from two to three years ago negatively impacted the depth of a team in the second round of the playoffs and up 2 - 1….What are we seeing if not incredible depth with three starters and an important rotation player out? And are you playing Obi ahead of Precious?Come on.
We lost Randle in January. Obviously we could have used Toppin on the roster
We hypothetically could have used Carmelo on the roster...
Yeah but Carmelo wasn’t already on the roster on a cheap rookie scale contract and he’s also 20 years older
Are u suggesting we just let Obi rot on the bench this year just in case Randle, OG, Bogs all went down simultaneously?
DLeethal wrote:Philc1 wrote:technomaster wrote:Philc1 wrote:KnickDanger wrote:The idea that the Obi trade along with moves from two to three years ago negatively impacted the depth of a team in the second round of the playoffs and up 2 - 1….What are we seeing if not incredible depth with three starters and an important rotation player out? And are you playing Obi ahead of Precious?Come on.
We lost Randle in January. Obviously we could have used Toppin on the roster
We hypothetically could have used Carmelo on the roster...
Yeah but Carmelo wasn’t already on the roster on a cheap rookie scale contract and he’s also 20 years older
Are u suggesting we just let Obi rot on the bench this year just in case Randle, OG, Bogs all went down simultaneously?
It's that simple for some. Bless his heart.
Man I’m sure glad we got those 2 future second round picks now instead of going to the ECF!
DLeethal wrote:Philc1 wrote:technomaster wrote:Philc1 wrote:KnickDanger wrote:The idea that the Obi trade along with moves from two to three years ago negatively impacted the depth of a team in the second round of the playoffs and up 2 - 1….What are we seeing if not incredible depth with three starters and an important rotation player out? And are you playing Obi ahead of Precious?Come on.
We lost Randle in January. Obviously we could have used Toppin on the roster
We hypothetically could have used Carmelo on the roster...
Yeah but Carmelo wasn’t already on the roster on a cheap rookie scale contract and he’s also 20 years older
Are u suggesting we just let Obi rot on the bench this year just in case Randle, OG, Bogs all went down simultaneously?
Depth matters. It’s a long season and playoffs. Those teams in the 90’s that made runs in the playoffs including nba Finals runs they had depth. We lose Ewing? No problem we got Camby.
People are pining for Obi wtf?
Philc1 wrote:DLeethal wrote:Philc1 wrote:technomaster wrote:Philc1 wrote:KnickDanger wrote:The idea that the Obi trade along with moves from two to three years ago negatively impacted the depth of a team in the second round of the playoffs and up 2 - 1….What are we seeing if not incredible depth with three starters and an important rotation player out? And are you playing Obi ahead of Precious?Come on.
We lost Randle in January. Obviously we could have used Toppin on the roster
We hypothetically could have used Carmelo on the roster...
Yeah but Carmelo wasn’t already on the roster on a cheap rookie scale contract and he’s also 20 years older
Are u suggesting we just let Obi rot on the bench this year just in case Randle, OG, Bogs all went down simultaneously?
Depth matters. It’s a long season and playoffs. Those teams in the 90’s that made runs in the playoffs including nba Finals runs they had depth. We lose Ewing? No problem we got Camby.
Look at you the day after being all hindsight proud of yourself.
So you can reconstruct the whole year and thats what you come up with?
It would serve you well to look at Camby's fragile existence both emotionally and physically after the 99' season.
Might want to read up on his absences in the 2000 season and playoffs.
He over came much of it when he left NY.
Nalod wrote:Philc1 wrote:DLeethal wrote:Philc1 wrote:technomaster wrote:Philc1 wrote:KnickDanger wrote:The idea that the Obi trade along with moves from two to three years ago negatively impacted the depth of a team in the second round of the playoffs and up 2 - 1….What are we seeing if not incredible depth with three starters and an important rotation player out? And are you playing Obi ahead of Precious?Come on.
We lost Randle in January. Obviously we could have used Toppin on the roster
We hypothetically could have used Carmelo on the roster...
Yeah but Carmelo wasn’t already on the roster on a cheap rookie scale contract and he’s also 20 years older
Are u suggesting we just let Obi rot on the bench this year just in case Randle, OG, Bogs all went down simultaneously?
Depth matters. It’s a long season and playoffs. Those teams in the 90’s that made runs in the playoffs including nba Finals runs they had depth. We lose Ewing? No problem we got Camby.
Look at you the day after being all hindsight proud of yourself.
So you can reconstruct the whole year and thats what you come up with?
It would serve you well to look at Camby's fragile existence both emotionally and physically after the 99' season.
Might want to read up on his absences in the 2000 season and playoffs.
He over came much of it when he left NY.
Nalod, I'm struggling to understand your point above. I still maintain that we sold low. Obi is an NBA rotation player and we gave him away for the 2 "worst of second round picks" which you can bank on *not* being NBA rotation players.
Obi is the 45th leading scorer in the playoffs, not even considering his minutes. Averaging 11 pts in 19 mins. for what its worth, that's 20pt per 36 mins. Whatever it is, its not worthless. The return we got was worthless.
And no, I don't care if he "asked out"
martin wrote:People are pining for Obi wtf?
I’m pining to not get eliminated in the second round by Obi yes
Panos wrote:Nalod wrote:Philc1 wrote:DLeethal wrote:Philc1 wrote:technomaster wrote:Philc1 wrote:KnickDanger wrote:The idea that the Obi trade along with moves from two to three years ago negatively impacted the depth of a team in the second round of the playoffs and up 2 - 1….What are we seeing if not incredible depth with three starters and an important rotation player out? And are you playing Obi ahead of Precious?Come on.
We lost Randle in January. Obviously we could have used Toppin on the roster
We hypothetically could have used Carmelo on the roster...
Yeah but Carmelo wasn’t already on the roster on a cheap rookie scale contract and he’s also 20 years older
Are u suggesting we just let Obi rot on the bench this year just in case Randle, OG, Bogs all went down simultaneously?
Depth matters. It’s a long season and playoffs. Those teams in the 90’s that made runs in the playoffs including nba Finals runs they had depth. We lose Ewing? No problem we got Camby.
Look at you the day after being all hindsight proud of yourself.
So you can reconstruct the whole year and thats what you come up with?
It would serve you well to look at Camby's fragile existence both emotionally and physically after the 99' season.
Might want to read up on his absences in the 2000 season and playoffs.
He over came much of it when he left NY.
Nalod, I'm struggling to understand your point above. I still maintain that we sold low. Obi is an NBA rotation player and we gave him away for the 2 "worst of second round picks" which you can bank on *not* being NBA rotation players.
Obi is the 45th leading scorer in the playoffs, not even considering his minutes. Averaging 11 pts in 19 mins. for what its worth, that's 20pt per 36 mins. Whatever it is, its not worthless. The return we got was worthless.
And no, I don't care if he "asked out"
Your not PhilC are you?
In respect to you I'll address it despite it being discussed ad nauseum.
I don't think your wrong but cannot connect the dots we could not do better, or that Leon took care of Obi and Sam before knicks best interests.
All things being equal, which is impossible to say, nobody gets to reconstruct a whole season of moves which include those made or not made and think Obi would be just sitting there as if one knew the injuries would play out as they did.
Imagine we took DM instead of Frank? Or Hali instead of Obi. You can't say things would be the same except those moves.
Brunson don't come here? Maybe Hali melts in NYC? SO many variable to so many aspects.
Even Obi matters! We don't see so many of the details of deals. WOuld higher 2nds have affected this year? Or a protected 1st for a few years?
Etc etc.......
Nalod wrote:Philc1 wrote:DLeethal wrote:Philc1 wrote:technomaster wrote:Philc1 wrote:KnickDanger wrote:The idea that the Obi trade along with moves from two to three years ago negatively impacted the depth of a team in the second round of the playoffs and up 2 - 1….What are we seeing if not incredible depth with three starters and an important rotation player out? And are you playing Obi ahead of Precious?Come on.
We lost Randle in January. Obviously we could have used Toppin on the roster
We hypothetically could have used Carmelo on the roster...
Yeah but Carmelo wasn’t already on the roster on a cheap rookie scale contract and he’s also 20 years older
Are u suggesting we just let Obi rot on the bench this year just in case Randle, OG, Bogs all went down simultaneously?
Depth matters. It’s a long season and playoffs. Those teams in the 90’s that made runs in the playoffs including nba Finals runs they had depth. We lose Ewing? No problem we got Camby.
Look at you the day after being all hindsight proud of yourself.
So you can reconstruct the whole year and thats what you come up with?
It would serve you well to look at Camby's fragile existence both emotionally and physically after the 99' season.
Might want to read up on his absences in the 2000 season and playoffs.
He over came much of it when he left NY.
We took a step backwards this year but yes continue celebrating
Philc1 wrote:Nalod wrote:Philc1 wrote:DLeethal wrote:Philc1 wrote:technomaster wrote:Philc1 wrote:KnickDanger wrote:The idea that the Obi trade along with moves from two to three years ago negatively impacted the depth of a team in the second round of the playoffs and up 2 - 1….What are we seeing if not incredible depth with three starters and an important rotation player out? And are you playing Obi ahead of Precious?Come on.
We lost Randle in January. Obviously we could have used Toppin on the roster
We hypothetically could have used Carmelo on the roster...
Yeah but Carmelo wasn’t already on the roster on a cheap rookie scale contract and he’s also 20 years older
Are u suggesting we just let Obi rot on the bench this year just in case Randle, OG, Bogs all went down simultaneously?
Depth matters. It’s a long season and playoffs. Those teams in the 90’s that made runs in the playoffs including nba Finals runs they had depth. We lose Ewing? No problem we got Camby.
Look at you the day after being all hindsight proud of yourself.
So you can reconstruct the whole year and thats what you come up with?
It would serve you well to look at Camby's fragile existence both emotionally and physically after the 99' season.
Might want to read up on his absences in the 2000 season and playoffs.
He over came much of it when he left NY.
We took a step backwards this year but yes continue celebrating
This can't be further than the truth. Do you understand basketball?
Philc1 wrote:Nalod wrote:Philc1 wrote:DLeethal wrote:Philc1 wrote:technomaster wrote:Philc1 wrote:KnickDanger wrote:The idea that the Obi trade along with moves from two to three years ago negatively impacted the depth of a team in the second round of the playoffs and up 2 - 1….What are we seeing if not incredible depth with three starters and an important rotation player out? And are you playing Obi ahead of Precious?Come on.
We lost Randle in January. Obviously we could have used Toppin on the roster
We hypothetically could have used Carmelo on the roster...
Yeah but Carmelo wasn’t already on the roster on a cheap rookie scale contract and he’s also 20 years older
Are u suggesting we just let Obi rot on the bench this year just in case Randle, OG, Bogs all went down simultaneously?
Depth matters. It’s a long season and playoffs. Those teams in the 90’s that made runs in the playoffs including nba Finals runs they had depth. We lose Ewing? No problem we got Camby.
Look at you the day after being all hindsight proud of yourself.
So you can reconstruct the whole year and thats what you come up with?
It would serve you well to look at Camby's fragile existence both emotionally and physically after the 99' season.
Might want to read up on his absences in the 2000 season and playoffs.
He over came much of it when he left NY.
We took a step backwards this year but yes continue celebrating
The train left the station without you.
Nalod wrote:Panos wrote:Nalod wrote:Philc1 wrote:DLeethal wrote:Philc1 wrote:technomaster wrote:Philc1 wrote:KnickDanger wrote:The idea that the Obi trade along with moves from two to three years ago negatively impacted the depth of a team in the second round of the playoffs and up 2 - 1….What are we seeing if not incredible depth with three starters and an important rotation player out? And are you playing Obi ahead of Precious?Come on.
We lost Randle in January. Obviously we could have used Toppin on the roster
We hypothetically could have used Carmelo on the roster...
Yeah but Carmelo wasn’t already on the roster on a cheap rookie scale contract and he’s also 20 years older
Are u suggesting we just let Obi rot on the bench this year just in case Randle, OG, Bogs all went down simultaneously?
Depth matters. It’s a long season and playoffs. Those teams in the 90’s that made runs in the playoffs including nba Finals runs they had depth. We lose Ewing? No problem we got Camby.
Look at you the day after being all hindsight proud of yourself.
So you can reconstruct the whole year and thats what you come up with?
It would serve you well to look at Camby's fragile existence both emotionally and physically after the 99' season.
Might want to read up on his absences in the 2000 season and playoffs.
He over came much of it when he left NY.
Nalod, I'm struggling to understand your point above. I still maintain that we sold low. Obi is an NBA rotation player and we gave him away for the 2 "worst of second round picks" which you can bank on *not* being NBA rotation players.
Obi is the 45th leading scorer in the playoffs, not even considering his minutes. Averaging 11 pts in 19 mins. for what its worth, that's 20pt per 36 mins. Whatever it is, its not worthless. The return we got was worthless.
And no, I don't care if he "asked out"
Your not PhilC are you?
In respect to you I'll address it despite it being discussed ad nauseum.
I don't think your wrong but cannot connect the dots we could not do better, or that Leon took care of Obi and Sam before knicks best interests.
All things being equal, which is impossible to say, nobody gets to reconstruct a whole season of moves which include those made or not made and think Obi would be just sitting there as if one knew the injuries would play out as they did.
Imagine we took DM instead of Frank? Or Hali instead of Obi. You can't say things would be the same except those moves.
Brunson don't come here? Maybe Hali melts in NYC? SO many variable to so many aspects.
Even Obi matters! We don't see so many of the details of deals. WOuld higher 2nds have affected this year? Or a protected 1st for a few years?
Etc etc.......
Gratefully, I'm not PhilC.
The problem with your argument is that you're just basically saying, we can't know, so what the point of discussing.
But discussing is the whole point of this website. Otherwise, I'm not sure why you're here.
