Knicks · Some interesting PER 36 numbers. (page 1)
RJ is at 25/5/3
Brunson - 25/5/4
Randle 20/10/6
Basically IQ, RJ and Brunson are all scoring, rebounding and assisting around the same clip which is pretty surprising. Could RJ or IQ be ready to overtake Randle? Should Randle be more of a finisher at this point? Are we better off with a high IQ defensive shooter at the 4?
For reference IQ is only scoring 1.8ppg less than Maxey PER 36... which is crazy considering how many huge games Maxey has had.
nycericanguy wrote:IQ is at 23/5/5 PER 36 - gonna round off to make it quicker
RJ is at 25/5/3
Brunson - 25/5/4
Randle 20/10/6Basically IQ, RJ and Brunson are all scoring, rebounding and assisting around the same clip which is pretty surprising. Could RJ or IQ be ready to overtake Randle? Should Randle be more of a finisher at this point? Are we better off with a high IQ defensive shooter at the 4?
For reference IQ is only scoring 1.8ppg less than Maxey PER 36... which is crazy considering how many huge games Maxey has had.
Randle's skillset is better served in a Draymond Green upgraded x2 role. Score, rebound, pass, defend. Thing is he can, has the talent to do it all a few clicks better than Green.
Draymond's best season was 2015/16 when he averaged 14/9 rbs/7 assists. Randle should be able to do that in his sleep. For me, his sweet spot is around 20 PPG, 12, RPG and 8 AST per game with at least average defense.
And I want to say it isn't a knock. No one else on this team has the talent or skillset to fill that type of role. I just don't think Randle best serves the team as the main scorer. RJ and Quick particularly score much more than they contribute in the other areas that Randle can.
joec32033 wrote:nycericanguy wrote:IQ is at 23/5/5 PER 36 - gonna round off to make it quicker
RJ is at 25/5/3
Brunson - 25/5/4
Randle 20/10/6Basically IQ, RJ and Brunson are all scoring, rebounding and assisting around the same clip which is pretty surprising. Could RJ or IQ be ready to overtake Randle? Should Randle be more of a finisher at this point? Are we better off with a high IQ defensive shooter at the 4?
For reference IQ is only scoring 1.8ppg less than Maxey PER 36... which is crazy considering how many huge games Maxey has had.
Randle's skillset is better served in a Draymond Green upgraded x2 role. Score, rebound, pass, defend. Thing is he can, has the talent to do it all a few clicks better than Green.
Draymond's best season was 2015/16 when he averaged 14/9 rbs/7 assists. Randle should be able to do that in his sleep. For me, his sweet spot is around 20 PPG, 12, RPG and 8 AST per game with at least average defense.
And I want to say it isn't a knock. No one else on this team has the talent or skillset to fill that type of role. I just don't think Randle best serves the team as the main scorer. RJ and Quick particularly score much more than they contribute in the other areas that Randle can.
It’s an interesting thought. Kinda see where you are going with it.
martin wrote:joec32033 wrote:nycericanguy wrote:IQ is at 23/5/5 PER 36 - gonna round off to make it quicker
RJ is at 25/5/3
Brunson - 25/5/4
Randle 20/10/6Basically IQ, RJ and Brunson are all scoring, rebounding and assisting around the same clip which is pretty surprising. Could RJ or IQ be ready to overtake Randle? Should Randle be more of a finisher at this point? Are we better off with a high IQ defensive shooter at the 4?
For reference IQ is only scoring 1.8ppg less than Maxey PER 36... which is crazy considering how many huge games Maxey has had.
Randle's skillset is better served in a Draymond Green upgraded x2 role. Score, rebound, pass, defend. Thing is he can, has the talent to do it all a few clicks better than Green.
Draymond's best season was 2015/16 when he averaged 14/9 rbs/7 assists. Randle should be able to do that in his sleep. For me, his sweet spot is around 20 PPG, 12, RPG and 8 AST per game with at least average defense.
And I want to say it isn't a knock. No one else on this team has the talent or skillset to fill that type of role. I just don't think Randle best serves the team as the main scorer. RJ and Quick particularly score much more than they contribute in the other areas that Randle can.
It’s an interesting thought. Kinda see where you are going with it.
Thanks. I think at this point it is mostly about maximizing skill sets. Randle has a very diverse skill set that noone else on this team has. He has the capacity to put up those gaudy numbers, sometimes easily. I just think he gets caught up in being the main scorer and makes bad decisions sometimes because he is expected to put up 25 a night.
Those 3 or 4 shots Randle takes to get those 5 or so points, can be 9 or 12 points if he can assist a shooter for a 3 instead of forcing shots.
I think something like that is the fastest way to adjust this teams ceiling until that trade comes along-if it comes along. To me the improvement from within method is the best way to go because it doesn't cost any extra capital.
joec32033 wrote:martin wrote:joec32033 wrote:nycericanguy wrote:IQ is at 23/5/5 PER 36 - gonna round off to make it quicker
RJ is at 25/5/3
Brunson - 25/5/4
Randle 20/10/6Basically IQ, RJ and Brunson are all scoring, rebounding and assisting around the same clip which is pretty surprising. Could RJ or IQ be ready to overtake Randle? Should Randle be more of a finisher at this point? Are we better off with a high IQ defensive shooter at the 4?
For reference IQ is only scoring 1.8ppg less than Maxey PER 36... which is crazy considering how many huge games Maxey has had.
Randle's skillset is better served in a Draymond Green upgraded x2 role. Score, rebound, pass, defend. Thing is he can, has the talent to do it all a few clicks better than Green.
Draymond's best season was 2015/16 when he averaged 14/9 rbs/7 assists. Randle should be able to do that in his sleep. For me, his sweet spot is around 20 PPG, 12, RPG and 8 AST per game with at least average defense.
And I want to say it isn't a knock. No one else on this team has the talent or skillset to fill that type of role. I just don't think Randle best serves the team as the main scorer. RJ and Quick particularly score much more than they contribute in the other areas that Randle can.
It’s an interesting thought. Kinda see where you are going with it.
Thanks. I think at this point it is mostly about maximizing skill sets. Randle has a very diverse skill set that noone else on this team has. He has the capacity to put up those gaudy numbers, sometimes easily. I just think he gets caught up in being the main scorer and makes bad decisions sometimes because he is expected to put up 25 a night.
Those 3 or 4 shots Randle takes to get those 5 or so points, can be 9 or 12 points if he can assist a shooter for a 3 instead of forcing shots.
I think something like that is the fastest way to adjust this teams ceiling until that trade comes along-if it comes along. To me the improvement from within method is the best way to go because it doesn't cost any extra capital.
I think that's a pretty sizable change and would rock-the-boat this season, that said, I would be interested in changing the dynamics like that in the offseason should the team underperform in April/May
nycericanguy wrote:IQ is at 23/5/5 PER 36 - gonna round off to make it quicker
RJ is at 25/5/3
Brunson - 25/5/4
Randle 20/10/6Basically IQ, RJ and Brunson are all scoring, rebounding and assisting around the same clip which is pretty surprising. Could RJ or IQ be ready to overtake Randle? Should Randle be more of a finisher at this point? Are we better off with a high IQ defensive shooter at the 4?
For reference IQ is only scoring 1.8ppg less than Maxey PER 36... which is crazy considering how many huge games Maxey has had.
Hope I’m wrong but I don’t think RJ’s 45% from 3 is going to last and it’s basically what’s been pumping up his overall game vs mediocre prior years. I don’t see anything tangibly different in his game but again hopefully I’m wrong.
Randle should not be a primary anything on this team.
joec32033 wrote:nycericanguy wrote:IQ is at 23/5/5 PER 36 - gonna round off to make it quicker
RJ is at 25/5/3
Brunson - 25/5/4
Randle 20/10/6Basically IQ, RJ and Brunson are all scoring, rebounding and assisting around the same clip which is pretty surprising. Could RJ or IQ be ready to overtake Randle? Should Randle be more of a finisher at this point? Are we better off with a high IQ defensive shooter at the 4?
For reference IQ is only scoring 1.8ppg less than Maxey PER 36... which is crazy considering how many huge games Maxey has had.
Randle's skillset is better served in a Draymond Green upgraded x2 role. Score, rebound, pass, defend. Thing is he can, has the talent to do it all a few clicks better than Green.
Draymond's best season was 2015/16 when he averaged 14/9 rbs/7 assists. Randle should be able to do that in his sleep. For me, his sweet spot is around 20 PPG, 12, RPG and 8 AST per game with at least average defense.
And I want to say it isn't a knock. No one else on this team has the talent or skillset to fill that type of role. I just don't think Randle best serves the team as the main scorer. RJ and Quick particularly score much more than they contribute in the other areas that Randle can.
Draymond Green is arguably the smartest & top defensive 4 in the league Randle easily the dumbest & least interested defenders - hard to compare these 2.
SupremeCommander wrote:joec32033 wrote:martin wrote:joec32033 wrote:nycericanguy wrote:IQ is at 23/5/5 PER 36 - gonna round off to make it quicker
RJ is at 25/5/3
Brunson - 25/5/4
Randle 20/10/6Basically IQ, RJ and Brunson are all scoring, rebounding and assisting around the same clip which is pretty surprising. Could RJ or IQ be ready to overtake Randle? Should Randle be more of a finisher at this point? Are we better off with a high IQ defensive shooter at the 4?
For reference IQ is only scoring 1.8ppg less than Maxey PER 36... which is crazy considering how many huge games Maxey has had.
Randle's skillset is better served in a Draymond Green upgraded x2 role. Score, rebound, pass, defend. Thing is he can, has the talent to do it all a few clicks better than Green.
Draymond's best season was 2015/16 when he averaged 14/9 rbs/7 assists. Randle should be able to do that in his sleep. For me, his sweet spot is around 20 PPG, 12, RPG and 8 AST per game with at least average defense.
And I want to say it isn't a knock. No one else on this team has the talent or skillset to fill that type of role. I just don't think Randle best serves the team as the main scorer. RJ and Quick particularly score much more than they contribute in the other areas that Randle can.
It’s an interesting thought. Kinda see where you are going with it.
Thanks. I think at this point it is mostly about maximizing skill sets. Randle has a very diverse skill set that noone else on this team has. He has the capacity to put up those gaudy numbers, sometimes easily. I just think he gets caught up in being the main scorer and makes bad decisions sometimes because he is expected to put up 25 a night.
Those 3 or 4 shots Randle takes to get those 5 or so points, can be 9 or 12 points if he can assist a shooter for a 3 instead of forcing shots.
I think something like that is the fastest way to adjust this teams ceiling until that trade comes along-if it comes along. To me the improvement from within method is the best way to go because it doesn't cost any extra capital.
I think that's a pretty sizable change and would rock-the-boat this season, that said, I would be interested in changing the dynamics like that in the offseason should the team underperform in April/May
Is it really though? He can still handle the ball as much as he does. all he has to do is limit his shots and look more for the pass. Probably won't be the smoothest transition, but I feel it can be done during the season.
LivingLegend wrote:joec32033 wrote:nycericanguy wrote:IQ is at 23/5/5 PER 36 - gonna round off to make it quicker
RJ is at 25/5/3
Brunson - 25/5/4
Randle 20/10/6Basically IQ, RJ and Brunson are all scoring, rebounding and assisting around the same clip which is pretty surprising. Could RJ or IQ be ready to overtake Randle? Should Randle be more of a finisher at this point? Are we better off with a high IQ defensive shooter at the 4?
For reference IQ is only scoring 1.8ppg less than Maxey PER 36... which is crazy considering how many huge games Maxey has had.
Randle's skillset is better served in a Draymond Green upgraded x2 role. Score, rebound, pass, defend. Thing is he can, has the talent to do it all a few clicks better than Green.
Draymond's best season was 2015/16 when he averaged 14/9 rbs/7 assists. Randle should be able to do that in his sleep. For me, his sweet spot is around 20 PPG, 12, RPG and 8 AST per game with at least average defense.
And I want to say it isn't a knock. No one else on this team has the talent or skillset to fill that type of role. I just don't think Randle best serves the team as the main scorer. RJ and Quick particularly score much more than they contribute in the other areas that Randle can.
Draymond Green is arguably the smartest & top defensive 4 in the league Randle easily the dumbest & least interested defenders - hard to compare these 2.
Draymond Green is defensively Smart like Oakley was smart. Randolph will never be the defender that Green is. But I think it is very easy to model his offensive game after Green. He already rebounds better than Green. It isn't even a real tweak in usage, he can handle the ball as much as he does now, he just has to limit his shots by a few a game and there needs to be a little more off the ball movement when he is dribbling. Hell, might even be a chance for Golden Boy Grimes to get a few buckets off some backdoor cuts from some Randle feeds from the high post.
LivingLegend wrote:joec32033 wrote:nycericanguy wrote:IQ is at 23/5/5 PER 36 - gonna round off to make it quicker
RJ is at 25/5/3
Brunson - 25/5/4
Randle 20/10/6Basically IQ, RJ and Brunson are all scoring, rebounding and assisting around the same clip which is pretty surprising. Could RJ or IQ be ready to overtake Randle? Should Randle be more of a finisher at this point? Are we better off with a high IQ defensive shooter at the 4?
For reference IQ is only scoring 1.8ppg less than Maxey PER 36... which is crazy considering how many huge games Maxey has had.
Randle's skillset is better served in a Draymond Green upgraded x2 role. Score, rebound, pass, defend. Thing is he can, has the talent to do it all a few clicks better than Green.
Draymond's best season was 2015/16 when he averaged 14/9 rbs/7 assists. Randle should be able to do that in his sleep. For me, his sweet spot is around 20 PPG, 12, RPG and 8 AST per game with at least average defense.
And I want to say it isn't a knock. No one else on this team has the talent or skillset to fill that type of role. I just don't think Randle best serves the team as the main scorer. RJ and Quick particularly score much more than they contribute in the other areas that Randle can.
Draymond Green is arguably the smartest & top defensive 4 in the league Randle easily the dumbest & least interested defenders - hard to compare these 2.
yea gotta agree. Randle gets alot of assists b/c he has the ball alot. but i think my question is do we want him having the ball alot? especially against good defensive teams?
I feel like we might be better off with a versatile defensive PF that can also shoot. Prime Gallo would have been ideal on this team.
nycericanguy wrote:LivingLegend wrote:joec32033 wrote:nycericanguy wrote:IQ is at 23/5/5 PER 36 - gonna round off to make it quicker
RJ is at 25/5/3
Brunson - 25/5/4
Randle 20/10/6Basically IQ, RJ and Brunson are all scoring, rebounding and assisting around the same clip which is pretty surprising. Could RJ or IQ be ready to overtake Randle? Should Randle be more of a finisher at this point? Are we better off with a high IQ defensive shooter at the 4?
For reference IQ is only scoring 1.8ppg less than Maxey PER 36... which is crazy considering how many huge games Maxey has had.
Randle's skillset is better served in a Draymond Green upgraded x2 role. Score, rebound, pass, defend. Thing is he can, has the talent to do it all a few clicks better than Green.
Draymond's best season was 2015/16 when he averaged 14/9 rbs/7 assists. Randle should be able to do that in his sleep. For me, his sweet spot is around 20 PPG, 12, RPG and 8 AST per game with at least average defense.
And I want to say it isn't a knock. No one else on this team has the talent or skillset to fill that type of role. I just don't think Randle best serves the team as the main scorer. RJ and Quick particularly score much more than they contribute in the other areas that Randle can.
Draymond Green is arguably the smartest & top defensive 4 in the league Randle easily the dumbest & least interested defenders - hard to compare these 2.
yea gotta agree. Randle gets alot of assists b/c he has the ball alot. but i think my question is do we want him having the ball alot? especially against good defensive teams?
I feel like we might be better off with a versatile defensive PF that can also shoot. Prime Gallo would have been ideal on this team.
I was thinking Kevin Love. Rebounder extraordinaire and deep shooter.
joec32033 wrote:LivingLegend wrote:joec32033 wrote:nycericanguy wrote:IQ is at 23/5/5 PER 36 - gonna round off to make it quicker
RJ is at 25/5/3
Brunson - 25/5/4
Randle 20/10/6Basically IQ, RJ and Brunson are all scoring, rebounding and assisting around the same clip which is pretty surprising. Could RJ or IQ be ready to overtake Randle? Should Randle be more of a finisher at this point? Are we better off with a high IQ defensive shooter at the 4?
For reference IQ is only scoring 1.8ppg less than Maxey PER 36... which is crazy considering how many huge games Maxey has had.
Randle's skillset is better served in a Draymond Green upgraded x2 role. Score, rebound, pass, defend. Thing is he can, has the talent to do it all a few clicks better than Green.
Draymond's best season was 2015/16 when he averaged 14/9 rbs/7 assists. Randle should be able to do that in his sleep. For me, his sweet spot is around 20 PPG, 12, RPG and 8 AST per game with at least average defense.
And I want to say it isn't a knock. No one else on this team has the talent or skillset to fill that type of role. I just don't think Randle best serves the team as the main scorer. RJ and Quick particularly score much more than they contribute in the other areas that Randle can.
Draymond Green is arguably the smartest & top defensive 4 in the league Randle easily the dumbest & least interested defenders - hard to compare these 2.
Draymond Green is defensively Smart like Oakley was smart. Randolph will never be the defender that Green is. But I think it is very easy to model his offensive game after Green. He already rebounds better than Green. It isn't even a real tweak in usage, he can handle the ball as much as he does now, he just has to limit his shots by a few a game and there needs to be a little more off the ball movement when he is dribbling. Hell, might even be a chance for Golden Boy Grimes to get a few buckets off some backdoor cuts from some Randle feeds from the high post.
All this sounds like a coaching problem which you can’t say out loud.
Swishfm3 wrote:joec32033 wrote:LivingLegend wrote:joec32033 wrote:nycericanguy wrote:IQ is at 23/5/5 PER 36 - gonna round off to make it quicker
RJ is at 25/5/3
Brunson - 25/5/4
Randle 20/10/6Basically IQ, RJ and Brunson are all scoring, rebounding and assisting around the same clip which is pretty surprising. Could RJ or IQ be ready to overtake Randle? Should Randle be more of a finisher at this point? Are we better off with a high IQ defensive shooter at the 4?
For reference IQ is only scoring 1.8ppg less than Maxey PER 36... which is crazy considering how many huge games Maxey has had.
Randle's skillset is better served in a Draymond Green upgraded x2 role. Score, rebound, pass, defend. Thing is he can, has the talent to do it all a few clicks better than Green.
Draymond's best season was 2015/16 when he averaged 14/9 rbs/7 assists. Randle should be able to do that in his sleep. For me, his sweet spot is around 20 PPG, 12, RPG and 8 AST per game with at least average defense.
And I want to say it isn't a knock. No one else on this team has the talent or skillset to fill that type of role. I just don't think Randle best serves the team as the main scorer. RJ and Quick particularly score much more than they contribute in the other areas that Randle can.
Draymond Green is arguably the smartest & top defensive 4 in the league Randle easily the dumbest & least interested defenders - hard to compare these 2.
Draymond Green is defensively Smart like Oakley was smart. Randolph will never be the defender that Green is. But I think it is very easy to model his offensive game after Green. He already rebounds better than Green. It isn't even a real tweak in usage, he can handle the ball as much as he does now, he just has to limit his shots by a few a game and there needs to be a little more off the ball movement when he is dribbling. Hell, might even be a chance for Golden Boy Grimes to get a few buckets off some backdoor cuts from some Randle feeds from the high post.
All this sounds like a coaching problem which you can’t say out loud.
Coaching problem. There I said it. But it isn't. Same reason Kobe isn't going to average 10 assists a game and play point, or Nash isn't going to average 33 a game and less than 3 assists. It's not who they are. Randle is not Green but he has a similiar offensive skillset. Defensively all he has to be is average. If you want to call getting him to buy into it coaching, ok, I guess. To get the numbers I am talking about all you have to do is try to get him to takr like 3 to 5 less shots and turn most of them to assists. I do get getting him to refocus some of that energy into a defense will be a.....challenge.
joec32033 wrote:LivingLegend wrote:joec32033 wrote:nycericanguy wrote:IQ is at 23/5/5 PER 36 - gonna round off to make it quicker
RJ is at 25/5/3
Brunson - 25/5/4
Randle 20/10/6Basically IQ, RJ and Brunson are all scoring, rebounding and assisting around the same clip which is pretty surprising. Could RJ or IQ be ready to overtake Randle? Should Randle be more of a finisher at this point? Are we better off with a high IQ defensive shooter at the 4?
For reference IQ is only scoring 1.8ppg less than Maxey PER 36... which is crazy considering how many huge games Maxey has had.
Randle's skillset is better served in a Draymond Green upgraded x2 role. Score, rebound, pass, defend. Thing is he can, has the talent to do it all a few clicks better than Green.
Draymond's best season was 2015/16 when he averaged 14/9 rbs/7 assists. Randle should be able to do that in his sleep. For me, his sweet spot is around 20 PPG, 12, RPG and 8 AST per game with at least average defense.
And I want to say it isn't a knock. No one else on this team has the talent or skillset to fill that type of role. I just don't think Randle best serves the team as the main scorer. RJ and Quick particularly score much more than they contribute in the other areas that Randle can.
Draymond Green is arguably the smartest & top defensive 4 in the league Randle easily the dumbest & least interested defenders - hard to compare these 2.
Draymond Green is defensively Smart like Oakley was smart. Randolph will never be the defender that Green is. But I think it is very easy to model his offensive game after Green. He already rebounds better than Green. It isn't even a real tweak in usage, he can handle the ball as much as he does now, he just has to limit his shots by a few a game and there needs to be a little more off the ball movement when he is dribbling. Hell, might even be a chance for Golden Boy Grimes to get a few buckets off some backdoor cuts from some Randle feeds from the high post.
Small sample size but point taken
Javascript is not enabled or there was problem with the URL: https://twitter.com/TommyBeer/status/1730933681315823692
Click here to view the Tweet