Nalod wrote:Chandler wrote:^^. Good post EwingALso good post Foosball
Speaking for myself, and probably others, we all like critical thinking and original thinking. I hsve learned a lot on this board from it.
But calling it groupthink when people agree is dumb. It’s often used as a pejorative to insinuate the person isn’t thinking for themselves. That of course can happen but i wouldn’t call this forum as the place where that generally occurs
An opinion being original doesn’t mean it’s wise or good. There are plenty of dumb ones
Likewise the fact that a lot of people agree on something doesn’t make it dumb because it’s “unoriginal”. Consent as a cornerstone of morality is old, unoriginal and I’d say wise. One can question that — and think of themselves as provocateur geniuses — but I’ll still probably think of them as immature dumbasses
I also find it laughable and a little narcissistic (or a lot) when people go around trying to defend themselves saying all they’re being is original….
Good take. I have read posts about games that Clyde has made a point about. I listen to “The hoop collective” all the time and those ideas are in my head and I have to be careful to not make them my own. What I call dudes out on is when they are making shit up as if they are in the know. Just state its an opinion and not pretend to know what Leon is thinking or pretend Brock Aller or Rosas are not part of the process. I read plenty of things I don’t agree with here every day but its not for Nalod to refute everything I don’t agree with. IF the take is well done, I am being either entertained or informed. Why the 3rd party thing? I refer to “Nalod” In the 3rd person because here thats who I am. I learned to mostly stay away from the politic thing, or other personal items and if its just hope, its just Nalod who speaks.
Gustav, Your takes at times get a bit into the realm like your an innercircle member of the team. YOur not. When challanged you take it personal. Then you bite back. That stands out more than anything. I’d lighten up on that.
BTW, its not about free speech. We are all guests of Martin and he foots the bill. No ads here to even cover costs. I’d say he is more than reasonable.
Many of us exist for 20 plus years mostly by keeping it real. I don’t run off malcontents, they run themelves off by not adhering to the norm which is mostly self governed. IF one is not happy with what happens here or is told to knock it off by the Admin and chooses to not agree then they are banned. Very rare that happens. Usually they just go away in a huff as “its not me, its others”. Look in the mirror, you are saying this of late.
Really, I have not read much that sees you as being victimized. Mostly you lack any humility to understand that we all suck from time to time and have to tap out and say “My bad”, or “I missed that”. Or just let it go. Perhaps double down and defending a view, and opinion and taking that personal is not healthy.
Lighten up GUS, I have not made a study of you until you called me out and it was lame. Your not lame, your post challanging me was lame. I don’t know you? YOu don’t know me. You only know “Nalod”. If you really wanted to study me you’ll know I paint myself at times snarky, pompous, and come off as high and mighty because I look up facts and things in the context and try to put it proper. Running a team is hard when you have windows to make decisions. Its easy to rail about Haliburton being passed over for Obi but there was much about covid shutdown, draft was months later than normal, teams could not bring in guys for tryout, etc etc. Its disrespectful to the Professonals in the NBA to think fans are smarter when we rarely scratch the surface to what entails what these guys do. At least have a clue of what one does not know! Im sure its annoying to the poster when I do this but facts keep the conversations going not bullshit. Painting an opinon as facts is not healthy to the collective efforts made by participants in this forum.
Briggs posted pictures of himself, discussed his health issues, his investments, his politics, his wife, Daughter, etc. He posted his name, we know has family did not survive the holocaust, he had a rough childhood, he was an active equity trader, bought a muscle car, his wife was a nurse. He lives in CT, he gave his value proposition about why he voted for Trump and many other subjects as well many times which really opens things up, he was lifting weights, he thinks he looks a lot like Troy Aikman. I can go on. HE TOLD US ALL THIS……So why is he not here? I cannot tell you if he was banned for just left but he was told many times to not go into certain subjects. In the end we either agree to uphold the norms that work for a forum or leave. Last I saw I think he really endorsed Ramiswarmy which was his right, but it got nasty because it was a very personal subject. He could have been wrong about him as his campaign and issues were picked apart by general media and by posters but by not responding he did not say “Oh, my bad”. So in fact he endorsed him by his silence. Same for Trump. I don’t care what your personal views are but I have a daughter and Trump does not behave well with women. Trump defended both sides as “Good people” after Nazi rally in charlottesville. See my issues with Briggs statements? How can a man who who lost family in the nazi germany promote Trump after his comments? There are no good “Nazis” if your the president of the united states.
To be fair, in the first few years I was here Martin called me out and sent me two personal messages via e-mail to knock of certain stuff or be banned. Really, it was my choice. Its not free speech issue, this is his house and we are guests. How we react to what goes on here is on us.
IF you want to go after “Nalod” that don’t bother me. Nalod knows what he is here. Its part of my personalty I suppose but not all of it.
Nalod, I appreciate your thoughts and perspective, thank you.
I have banned BRIGGS. Love him as a fellow Knicks enthusiast and poster. I have personally reached out to and exchanged several emails with him asking Briggs to cool it on the politics stuff on this site (I may be incorrect on this but he may be the second person I’ve emailed offline about this sort of circumstance and subsequently took action when that person and I couldn’t get to a firm understanding of how to move forward). I am AOK with differing opinions and thoughts, however I do have a line with Trump supporters and other similar level stuff (ie., if you initially register and post to site and your first couple of posts all you do is go on a wildly inappropriate level of trash, I just auto lock that person, who probably is 13yo and thought it was funny to start calling everyone else a dickbag or worse, you get the example, I don’t waste time like that).
In the Vivek thread, it’s easy to pick out those who may be sympothetic to Trump or that swath of person and politician, I have never had an inkling of thought of banning them. We can disagree and you can be dumb, that’s OK to me, just don’t be rock bottom dumb, cause I’ll make you look even dumber by pointing out facts to you (I am deeply into the political waters in my personal life, so at least I’m armed with lots of info you may not be, whatever my leaning may actually be).
We are all adults here and that’s the level I am going to try to interact on. I also get out of line on occasion myself and try to feel out how others (outside who I am getting after) respond to both of us, I get that too and appreciate that level of feedback to me.
However, if you - ie. BRIGGS - repeatedly let me know you will cool it with the political stuff, I’ll cut you some slack if you innocuously engage a few posts here and there that are within that realm. If I have reminded you over 4 to 5 years and we’ve both acknowledge to each other that you’ll stay away from the Trump politics many multiple times… and then you personally start a Vivek political thread and continue to engage in that thread, you need to fuck off, and that is me trying to be polite.
The last I had left it with BRIGGS is that he needs to come up with a solution that he and I both feel comfortable with him posting on this site about Knicks, cause I dont waste any extra ounces of energy in a situation like this, I’ve already exhausted my avenues.
This is how I have engaged this situation.
I personally don’t respect Trump supporters and the like. My neighbors are incredibly nice people and good friends with me and my family and I have them over for drinks and food all the time. We help each other out all the time. They think Trump has been good for our country, I let them know I don’t agree. We have never again talked about politics and both understand that. Life is good for the both of us and we really enjoy each other’s company. It’s not that hard to come to an understanding like that. That’s what well meaning adults who have a conscious about themselves and the people around them do.
