Knicks · Knicks finalizing trade for OG: It’s bad - badass for Knicks, bad for rest of league BOO YA (page 47)

martin @ 11/26/2024 11:33 AM
martin @ 11/26/2024 12:18 PM
Not bad

martin @ 11/26/2024 1:45 PM
Impact on winning, high

BigDaddyG @ 11/26/2024 1:52 PM
martin wrote:Impact on winning, high

It says this an OG vid, but they keep showing Lebron in the highlights.

Nalod @ 11/26/2024 8:44 PM
Kawahi comps closer he playing like this. still not the iso playmaker creating his own shot like him, but perhaps as the 3-4 option on a motion set its even better. The transition dunks from turnovers/steals are killers!!
martin @ 12/4/2024 10:20 AM
OG is the bomb

Panos @ 1/13/2025 10:41 AM
Panos wrote:
MS wrote:Bridges is the better player more durable and is on a great contract. He;s making 21, 23, 24MM, imagine having to pay someone 35-40MM that doesn;t rebound as good as Jalen Brunson. Youre 6'7 and can;t grab 4rbs what is going on?

Why has Toronto been so bad?

Its a lot to give up for someone there;s not signed

Rebounds or not, there's no way he's worth $40m. I would not pay him more than JB and Randle. How does that make sense?

One year later, I still don't see how the Knicks paid him $40m. Great defender, yes, but not a $40M player. I'd argue he's #5 on offense if Brikal hasn't been stinking up the joint so bad of late. That he's paid more than Brunson is ridiculous. That he's paid double what Hart makes, also silly.

VDesai @ 1/13/2025 11:17 AM
He is a brilliant player on D and I think people have a hard time placing a dollar value on that.

He has been wildly inconsistent on offense lately and he appears to be running on skates and not generating enough lift. His 3 pt shooting right now is the worst its been in his career and aside from when he plays his old boys in Toronto since Nov, he's under 30%. He has been getting blocked a lot, slipping a lot, yesterday he had an inexplicable missed dunk that seemed to be the result of not generating enough vertical lift. His legs, in short, seem off, and its hard to know why. Undisclosed injury?

His minutes played are high (over 36%) - but he actually was around that mark in recent seasons in Toronto. He hasn't missed a game and so maybe its taking a toll. Its hard to know, but if there was a player I'd try to preserve right now in an effort to get their legs fresh later in the year its OG.

Anyway you still gotta play OG $40mm. The guy is a monster. Philly should have given him 45 instead of PG 50+ and they would have been better. I know Dyson Daniels is swiping everything and there's other guys out there playing great D, but I don't know of someone who can guard 1 to 5 as well as OG. In fact his most impressive work has been on bigs - Giannis, Jokic, etc. You want him to put the clamps on for the final 8 mins of the game - so we gotta figure out how to keep him fresh for that.

EwingsGlass @ 1/13/2025 1:25 PM
Panos wrote:
Panos wrote:
MS wrote:Bridges is the better player more durable and is on a great contract. He;s making 21, 23, 24MM, imagine having to pay someone 35-40MM that doesn;t rebound as good as Jalen Brunson. Youre 6'7 and can;t grab 4rbs what is going on?

Why has Toronto been so bad?

Its a lot to give up for someone there;s not signed

Rebounds or not, there's no way he's worth $40m. I would not pay him more than JB and Randle. How does that make sense?

One year later, I still don't see how the Knicks paid him $40m. Great defender, yes, but not a $40M player. I'd argue he's #5 on offense if Brikal hasn't been stinking up the joint so bad of late. That he's paid more than Brunson is ridiculous. That he's paid double what Hart makes, also silly.

I love OG. He is a $50mm SF and a $20mm PF.
I love Josh Hart. But his tweener positioning combined with Brunson's undersized defense pushes our positional size advantage with OG and Bridges out of position. And they are not running enough to make it 'death' lineup. They are playing small BigBall.

I have faith in the coaching, so I figure they are working on something and looking for it to click. But the ideal scenario of Bridges/OG would be at SG/SF. We have to work with the personnel we have. And my HerbJones fantasy is delayed for a bit. But my ideal lineup has Brunson/Bridges/OG/_____/KAT, with Hart as a super sub - McBride/Hart/Achiuwa. Basically saying that between the assets we have, I need a starting PF.

Without looking to get crucified, DeAndre Hunter is on my radar. Kind of hard to make the salary work though. Doesn't really add a PF, but his $21mm salary is cost controlled for another couple years.

VDesai @ 1/13/2025 1:29 PM
DeAndre Hunter is in the same Cam Johnson conundrum we were discussing on another thread. Its just not happening for a lot of reasons.

Here's the thing about Herb Jones- maybe you can trade for him now when he's injured and his value is lower? Mitch hasn't played, Jones wouldn't play - but having jones waiting for you next year is intriguing.

VDesai @ 1/13/2025 1:30 PM
Also I don't know if Hart can be a bench player when he's the best 2nd ball handler/shot creator we have and the main way teams defend us is by trapping/blitzing and pressing Brunson up the floor. Bridges and OG can't dribble.
Nalod @ 1/13/2025 1:58 PM
I think Josh Hart has improved his handle and shooting to be a good fit at the 2 for this roster. His play is really a bit more underrated this year.
Herb Jones is a good idea but I think Nola has its own pick so the tank is not in full swing yet, but we getting close to the half way mark. If iM Nola, I consider how Zion returns and go from there. They in that bottom 5 vying for the tank. They have a window for a wins streak with Zion but its going to close really fast. Impossible? No. Even with Zion its improbable.
If this is the case, and Mitch is still at best a month off, then not sure why Nola does this by trade deadline? Mitch will have not had a decent sample to show what he got.
I feel bad for Nola. That was a team on the rise with unlimited ceiling given the talent they had, and the assets to draft or trade.
Rockets have the potential these days. Sneaky good with a lot of picks


isn't this where Tari Eason gets mentioned? LOL

And if Jacob Toppin who turns 25 in May won't contribute, what are we doing with him? Granted, he on likely about a 1mm hit on the cap?
Sure we can give Sims away for a year 2033 protected 2nd round pick to open the 2mm salary, but thats not going to buy us much unless we get a waiver present.
I have faith either Leon gets it done or , there is not much to be done and he has a multi season plan and won't fuck it up. Between him and Aller they got this.

EwingsGlass @ 1/13/2025 2:20 PM
VDesai wrote:Also I don't know if Hart can be a bench player when he's the best 2nd ball handler/shot creator we have and the main way teams defend us is by trapping/blitzing and pressing Brunson up the floor. Bridges and OG can't dribble.

That's true on the ballhandling. In my head, with three athletic wings you basically have a complete mismatch somewhere up court. Mikal wasn't good vs the trap last year, but he can handle the ball going downhill.

EwingsGlass @ 1/13/2025 2:21 PM
Nalod wrote:I think Josh Hart has improved his handle and shooting to be a good fit at the 2 for this roster. His play is really a bit more underrated this year.
Herb Jones is a good idea but I think Nola has its own pick so the tank is not in full swing yet, but we getting close to the half way mark. If iM Nola, I consider how Zion returns and go from there. They in that bottom 5 vying for the tank. They have a window for a wins streak with Zion but its going to close really fast. Impossible? No. Even with Zion its improbable.
If this is the case, and Mitch is still at best a month off, then not sure why Nola does this by trade deadline? Mitch will have not had a decent sample to show what he got.
I feel bad for Nola. That was a team on the rise with unlimited ceiling given the talent they had, and the assets to draft or trade.
Rockets have the potential these days. Sneaky good with a lot of picks


isn't this where Tari Eason gets mentioned? LOL

And if Jacob Toppin who turns 25 in May won't contribute, what are we doing with him? Granted, he on likely about a 1mm hit on the cap?
Sure we can give Sims away for a year 2033 protected 2nd round pick to open the 2mm salary, but thats not going to buy us much unless we get a waiver present.
I have faith either Leon gets it done or , there is not much to be done and he has a multi season plan and won't fuck it up. Between him and Aller they got this.

Tari has played himself into untouchable status. Of course I still want Tari. But its highly unlikely he gets moved on that rookie contract.

martin @ 1/22/2025 11:32 AM
OG is a freak of nature

OG Anunoby in the film room: Knicks’ lockdown ‘stunter’ shares his defensive secrets
Fred Katz


NEW YORK — OG Anunoby required only a glimpse at a freeze frame to figure out what was next.

Opened up on a laptop in front of him was a play from a months-old game, the New York Knicks’ second matchup of the season. The video clip was paused at the start, showing a few Indiana Pacers players 90 feet from their own basket about to corral an unremarkable rebound. And still, Anunoby narrated what was about to occur.

“Ahh, the Nembhard stunt,” he mused before beginning a recent film study with The Athletic.

Anunoby cemented himself years ago as one of the league’s top defenders, a menace especially away from the basketball, where he can wall off an entire side of the court. His specialty is the type of ambush he was about to watch.

The move, as Anunoby mentioned, is called a “stunt.” A driver will hit the lane with Anunoby defending someone else on the wing. But dribblers attack his area at their own risk. Anunoby will step toward them, reaching for the rock, sometimes swiping it away and other times disrupting their flow.

Thanks to his size, speed and instincts, no one stunts quite like Anunoby.

“It’s a scary sight. Not gonna lie,” teammate Jalen Brunson said. “When you see someone like that lunging at you with bad intentions, it’s scary.”

Anunoby was about to review two examples of what those bad intentions can do to offenses: One play that resulted in a steal and another that froze Pacers guard Andrew Nembhard, a high-IQ contributor to a top-10 offense.

During the first quarter of the Indiana game, Nembhard received a pass and drove left against Knicks wing Mikal Bridges. “Mikal does a good job of not letting him go straight,” Anunoby said as he locked in on the video. Once Nembhard gets to the left side of the free-throw line, referred to by true basketball sickos as “the nail,” it’s Anunoby’s time to pounce.

“I got a steal,” Anunoby said. “Pascal (Siakam) kneed me in the head. I remember that.”

But Anunoby remembering a steal or a knee to the noggin is not unusual, even if the play in question was more than 40 games ago. The former All-Defense member, who has a chance of earning the same accolade in 2024-25, can reel off the details of thefts he has no business recalling.

Leading into games, Anunoby will study his upcoming assignment’s every possession from the previous few contests. He spends his off-nights watching NBA bouts, flipping from matchup to matchup and filing away mental notes about other players’ tendencies. He doesn’t write them down, nor is writing them down necessary.

Especially if Anunoby is involved in a play, a heist here or a swat there, the details don’t exit his brain.

Let’s quiz him impromptu, without giving him a heads up or any time to think it through.

Does he remember, just to choose a game at random, how many steals he had when the Knicks played the Cleveland Cavaliers in October? And, if so, how did they develop?

“There was a steal,” Anunoby responded without hesitation. “Caris (LeVert) drove, threw to the corner with a minute left and we scored.”

There was actually a little more than a minute to go when Anunoby picked off that pass, but we can round down. Otherwise, he nailed it. He’s 1-for-1.

Let’s try another, an example from longer ago. How about any steals from his first-ever game with the Knicks, a win over the Minnesota Timberwolves last January?

“I got a steal on a Rudy (Gobert) lob in the corner,” Anunoby said. “I was guarding Naz (Reid), I think. I came over, stole it, tipped it. And then I had a steal with Ant (Edwards) in the fourth quarter. (He was coming) off a screen, and I deflected it.”

Darn. Correct on every detail again.

Let’s make this more difficult. How about an inconsequential game from more than two years ago? Try 2022, when he was still with the Toronto Raptors, the first time he faced the Brooklyn Nets that season?

“I remember the blocks,” Anunoby said. “Kyrie (Irving) tried to iso me. He took a shot. I blocked it. They got the ball back and took a jumper, and his foot fell on me. He made the shot.”

He added extra detail just to show off.

“I was wearing a right calf sleeve, black shoes,” Anunoby said, unable to hold back a smirk.

This skill is one of Anunoby’s pride points, as is the level of defense it begets.

The Knicks have hovered around the middle of the pack in points allowed per possession all season, but Anunoby is the group’s backbone. New York doesn’t play with a conventional rim protector. Instead it’s on him, along with the other two starting wings, Bridges and Josh Hart, to lock down the perimeter.

Bridges most often mans the point of attack. Anunoby battles with larger forwards, sometimes chasing them around screens, sometimes lurking in the corner, an essential role inside a Tom Thibodeau defense, which places a heavy burden on defenders in that area to help into the lane on drivers, then race back to spot-up shooters. And sometimes, Anunoby is on the wings, ready to raid anyone who approaches.

For the sixth consecutive season, his team allows fewer points per possession when he’s on the court. This year, unlike in some others, he’s remained healthy, participating in all 45 of the Knicks’ games thus far.

He’s an unusual fit inside a Thibodeau team. The Knicks head coach believes each defender’s responsibility comes first, second and third to his own assignment. Players scrambling out of position to chase steals is not his cup of tea. It’s no wonder Thibodeau’s defenses, though usually high-ranked, don’t often force many turnovers. Those are not the priority.

Anunoby will get caught gambling every once in a while, straying too far off his man, which leads to an open shot or puts the Knicks in rotation. No coincidence, New York gives up more corner 3s when he’s on the court. But in basketball, unlike in Vegas, the house does not always win.

“You want him to be himself and take advantage of the strengths that he has, but you also have to build team responsibilities,” Thibodeau said. “You can’t just randomly run around and do things. If your teammates don’t know what you’re doing, then you’re gonna expose the entire team. So it’s making sure that you fulfill team responsibilities and then go from there and use your instincts.”

Thibodeau trusts Anunoby. And that’s why the 6-foot-7 wing — someone the coach will throw on players of any size, from tiny guards to mammoth centers — has the freedom to try the stunt he did with Nembhard, a clip that wasn’t chosen by accident.

Anunoby’s steal on Nembhard occurred during the first quarter of that win over the Pacers, but the effects of it trickled into the future. One poke changed the way a usually composed guard ran a top-notch attack.

One quarter later, a similar situation presented itself but on the other side of the court. Nembhard drove right. As soon as he neared the nail, Anunoby ransacked him, a plunge forward this time with two hands clawing for the basketball. Nembhard reacted as if he were having flashbacks, jumping backward frantically and restarting the offense.

“I’m just reading the play,” Anunoby said. “I knew which way he was gonna go. … I wanna make a play, and I wanna make him throw it to Pascal.”

The greatest defenders don’t just deflect passes or knock away dribbles. They disturb rhythm, as Anunoby did when he forced the Pacers to restart their set, which ended in a difficult shot for their center, Myles Turner, and the ball rolling into the hands of Anunoby, who helped on him down low.

This stunt required extra effort, an explosion forward with both palms scratching for the basketball. But Anunoby wasn’t the only person to go the extra mile. As Thibodeau will attest, aggression like this doesn’t work without teammates who can fill in the gaps, as Hart does here.

Once Anunoby leaves for Nembhard, his man, Siakam, cuts to the basket. Nembhard, too frazzled to make a pass immediately, needs a moment to gather himself, but Hart must act quickly. Watch Hart, who is defending Pacers wing Bennedict Mathurin in the left corner, switch onto Siakam promptly as he directs Anunoby to switch to Mathurin.

“We want him to do that,” Hart said. “In our position, whoever is the low man or whoever is on that back side, communicate and put him back to where he needs to be so he can get back into it. His ability to do that obviously clogs up passing lanes. I think it throws off the offensive players because they don’t know what the hell is gonna happen — because I don’t think anyone ever does it like that.”

Anunoby credits chemistry for the switch. “(Hart) saw me over there, and he just took him,” he said.

But Hart is correct, no one attacks these types of plays quite like Anunoby does. Few have memorized tendencies like him. So dribblers react the way Nembhard did, avoiding Anunoby altogether, just as Brunson would advise is the smartest way to handle Anunoby’s stunts.

“Go the other way,” Brunson warned. “Just go the other way.”

VDesai @ 1/22/2025 1:46 PM
That article confirms something about OG that I suspected- he has a photographic memory. He is able to anticipate player moves when guarding them one on one.
BigDaddyG @ 1/22/2025 1:46 PM
martin wrote:OG is a freak of nature

OG Anunoby in the film room: Knicks’ lockdown ‘stunter’ shares his defensive secrets
Fred Katz


NEW YORK — OG Anunoby required only a glimpse at a freeze frame to figure out what was next.

Opened up on a laptop in front of him was a play from a months-old game, the New York Knicks’ second matchup of the season. The video clip was paused at the start, showing a few Indiana Pacers players 90 feet from their own basket about to corral an unremarkable rebound. And still, Anunoby narrated what was about to occur.

“Ahh, the Nembhard stunt,” he mused before beginning a recent film study with The Athletic.

Anunoby cemented himself years ago as one of the league’s top defenders, a menace especially away from the basketball, where he can wall off an entire side of the court. His specialty is the type of ambush he was about to watch.

The move, as Anunoby mentioned, is called a “stunt.” A driver will hit the lane with Anunoby defending someone else on the wing. But dribblers attack his area at their own risk. Anunoby will step toward them, reaching for the rock, sometimes swiping it away and other times disrupting their flow.

Thanks to his size, speed and instincts, no one stunts quite like Anunoby.

“It’s a scary sight. Not gonna lie,” teammate Jalen Brunson said. “When you see someone like that lunging at you with bad intentions, it’s scary.”

Anunoby was about to review two examples of what those bad intentions can do to offenses: One play that resulted in a steal and another that froze Pacers guard Andrew Nembhard, a high-IQ contributor to a top-10 offense.

During the first quarter of the Indiana game, Nembhard received a pass and drove left against Knicks wing Mikal Bridges. “Mikal does a good job of not letting him go straight,” Anunoby said as he locked in on the video. Once Nembhard gets to the left side of the free-throw line, referred to by true basketball sickos as “the nail,” it’s Anunoby’s time to pounce.

“I got a steal,” Anunoby said. “Pascal (Siakam) kneed me in the head. I remember that.”

But Anunoby remembering a steal or a knee to the noggin is not unusual, even if the play in question was more than 40 games ago. The former All-Defense member, who has a chance of earning the same accolade in 2024-25, can reel off the details of thefts he has no business recalling.

Leading into games, Anunoby will study his upcoming assignment’s every possession from the previous few contests. He spends his off-nights watching NBA bouts, flipping from matchup to matchup and filing away mental notes about other players’ tendencies. He doesn’t write them down, nor is writing them down necessary.

Especially if Anunoby is involved in a play, a heist here or a swat there, the details don’t exit his brain.

Let’s quiz him impromptu, without giving him a heads up or any time to think it through.

Does he remember, just to choose a game at random, how many steals he had when the Knicks played the Cleveland Cavaliers in October? And, if so, how did they develop?

“There was a steal,” Anunoby responded without hesitation. “Caris (LeVert) drove, threw to the corner with a minute left and we scored.”

There was actually a little more than a minute to go when Anunoby picked off that pass, but we can round down. Otherwise, he nailed it. He’s 1-for-1.

Let’s try another, an example from longer ago. How about any steals from his first-ever game with the Knicks, a win over the Minnesota Timberwolves last January?

“I got a steal on a Rudy (Gobert) lob in the corner,” Anunoby said. “I was guarding Naz (Reid), I think. I came over, stole it, tipped it. And then I had a steal with Ant (Edwards) in the fourth quarter. (He was coming) off a screen, and I deflected it.”

Darn. Correct on every detail again.

Let’s make this more difficult. How about an inconsequential game from more than two years ago? Try 2022, when he was still with the Toronto Raptors, the first time he faced the Brooklyn Nets that season?

“I remember the blocks,” Anunoby said. “Kyrie (Irving) tried to iso me. He took a shot. I blocked it. They got the ball back and took a jumper, and his foot fell on me. He made the shot.”

He added extra detail just to show off.

“I was wearing a right calf sleeve, black shoes,” Anunoby said, unable to hold back a smirk.

This skill is one of Anunoby’s pride points, as is the level of defense it begets.

The Knicks have hovered around the middle of the pack in points allowed per possession all season, but Anunoby is the group’s backbone. New York doesn’t play with a conventional rim protector. Instead it’s on him, along with the other two starting wings, Bridges and Josh Hart, to lock down the perimeter.

Bridges most often mans the point of attack. Anunoby battles with larger forwards, sometimes chasing them around screens, sometimes lurking in the corner, an essential role inside a Tom Thibodeau defense, which places a heavy burden on defenders in that area to help into the lane on drivers, then race back to spot-up shooters. And sometimes, Anunoby is on the wings, ready to raid anyone who approaches.

For the sixth consecutive season, his team allows fewer points per possession when he’s on the court. This year, unlike in some others, he’s remained healthy, participating in all 45 of the Knicks’ games thus far.

He’s an unusual fit inside a Thibodeau team. The Knicks head coach believes each defender’s responsibility comes first, second and third to his own assignment. Players scrambling out of position to chase steals is not his cup of tea. It’s no wonder Thibodeau’s defenses, though usually high-ranked, don’t often force many turnovers. Those are not the priority.

Anunoby will get caught gambling every once in a while, straying too far off his man, which leads to an open shot or puts the Knicks in rotation. No coincidence, New York gives up more corner 3s when he’s on the court. But in basketball, unlike in Vegas, the house does not always win.

“You want him to be himself and take advantage of the strengths that he has, but you also have to build team responsibilities,” Thibodeau said. “You can’t just randomly run around and do things. If your teammates don’t know what you’re doing, then you’re gonna expose the entire team. So it’s making sure that you fulfill team responsibilities and then go from there and use your instincts.”

Thibodeau trusts Anunoby. And that’s why the 6-foot-7 wing — someone the coach will throw on players of any size, from tiny guards to mammoth centers — has the freedom to try the stunt he did with Nembhard, a clip that wasn’t chosen by accident.

Anunoby’s steal on Nembhard occurred during the first quarter of that win over the Pacers, but the effects of it trickled into the future. One poke changed the way a usually composed guard ran a top-notch attack.

One quarter later, a similar situation presented itself but on the other side of the court. Nembhard drove right. As soon as he neared the nail, Anunoby ransacked him, a plunge forward this time with two hands clawing for the basketball. Nembhard reacted as if he were having flashbacks, jumping backward frantically and restarting the offense.

“I’m just reading the play,” Anunoby said. “I knew which way he was gonna go. … I wanna make a play, and I wanna make him throw it to Pascal.”

The greatest defenders don’t just deflect passes or knock away dribbles. They disturb rhythm, as Anunoby did when he forced the Pacers to restart their set, which ended in a difficult shot for their center, Myles Turner, and the ball rolling into the hands of Anunoby, who helped on him down low.

This stunt required extra effort, an explosion forward with both palms scratching for the basketball. But Anunoby wasn’t the only person to go the extra mile. As Thibodeau will attest, aggression like this doesn’t work without teammates who can fill in the gaps, as Hart does here.

Once Anunoby leaves for Nembhard, his man, Siakam, cuts to the basket. Nembhard, too frazzled to make a pass immediately, needs a moment to gather himself, but Hart must act quickly. Watch Hart, who is defending Pacers wing Bennedict Mathurin in the left corner, switch onto Siakam promptly as he directs Anunoby to switch to Mathurin.

“We want him to do that,” Hart said. “In our position, whoever is the low man or whoever is on that back side, communicate and put him back to where he needs to be so he can get back into it. His ability to do that obviously clogs up passing lanes. I think it throws off the offensive players because they don’t know what the hell is gonna happen — because I don’t think anyone ever does it like that.”

Anunoby credits chemistry for the switch. “(Hart) saw me over there, and he just took him,” he said.

But Hart is correct, no one attacks these types of plays quite like Anunoby does. Few have memorized tendencies like him. So dribblers react the way Nembhard did, avoiding Anunoby altogether, just as Brunson would advise is the smartest way to handle Anunoby’s stunts.

“Go the other way,” Brunson warned. “Just go the other way.”

Yeah, but can be tell me what Anne Hathaway smelled like that one time?

Nalod @ 1/22/2025 2:33 PM
I thought I'd miss RJ but watching OG is so interesting. His passing is automatic and the chemistry with bridges is just starting to really take off.
His cool manner and lack of showing emotion is very nice to see. The physical presence on the court is freaky as mentioned. He is deceptively quick because of his size.
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