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Rookie wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:Rookie wrote:martin wrote:Knicks comfortably in the position to sit back and take their time with the next moves.Exactly this. They have a TPE or can also add a waived player. Do you think they waive Fournier if he isn't traded? Wait until he isn't playoff eligible and then waive him?
No need to waive. They can decline his option at the end of the season.
You would be doing Fournier a solid for being a good soldier.
Money wise at this point Evan will be happy if the Knicks pick up his option. No one will give him 18 million next season.
Alpha1971 wrote:Im sorry did you just say you wanted to resign him?BigDaddyG wrote:Rookie wrote:martin wrote:Knicks comfortably in the position to sit back and take their time with the next moves.Exactly this. They have a TPE or can also add a waived player. Do you think they waive Fournier if he isn't traded? Wait until he isn't playoff eligible and then waive him?
No need to waive. They can decline his option at the end of the season.
No advantage to the team to decline his option. If we don't trade him and get back at least a useful player at his salary level, we then lose a contract for future trades. If we don't find a trade for hi to be used in the we have to extend him.
Knicks are only holding onto him for trades... once the deadline passes they will cut him so he can go play for the Lakers
fishmike wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:Im sorry did you just say you wanted to resign him?BigDaddyG wrote:Rookie wrote:martin wrote:Knicks comfortably in the position to sit back and take their time with the next moves.Exactly this. They have a TPE or can also add a waived player. Do you think they waive Fournier if he isn't traded? Wait until he isn't playoff eligible and then waive him?
No need to waive. They can decline his option at the end of the season.
No advantage to the team to decline his option. If we don't trade him and get back at least a useful player at his salary level, we then lose a contract for future trades. If we don't find a trade for hi to be used in the we have to extend him.
Knicks are only holding onto him for trades... once the deadline passes they will cut him so he can go play for the Lakers
If we don't trade him tell me how it benefits the Knicks to decline his option ?
Alpha1971 wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:Rookie wrote:martin wrote:Knicks comfortably in the position to sit back and take their time with the next moves.Exactly this. They have a TPE or can also add a waived player. Do you think they waive Fournier if he isn't traded? Wait until he isn't playoff eligible and then waive him?
No need to waive. They can decline his option at the end of the season.
No advantage to the team to decline his option. If we don't trade him and get back at least a useful player at his salary level, we then lose a contract for future trades. If we don't find a trade for hi to be used in the we have to extend him.
Yeah agree. I'm just saying if they probably wouldn't waive or buyout out Fournier when they just opt out. It also gives a little more time to use his contract in a deal. If no deal pops out, just void the deal. The clock is running to use that contract in a deal. With the iHart free agency and the OG extension upcoming, it's going to be tough to carry over $20Million in dead salary over to the next season.
BigDaddyG wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:Rookie wrote:martin wrote:Knicks comfortably in the position to sit back and take their time with the next moves.Exactly this. They have a TPE or can also add a waived player. Do you think they waive Fournier if he isn't traded? Wait until he isn't playoff eligible and then waive him?
No need to waive. They can decline his option at the end of the season.
No advantage to the team to decline his option. If we don't trade him and get back at least a useful player at his salary level, we then lose a contract for future trades. If we don't find a trade for hi to be used in the we have to extend him.
Yeah agree. I'm just saying if they probably wouldn't waive or buyout out Fournier when they just opt out. It also gives a little more time to use his contract in a deal. If no deal pops out, just void the deal. The clock is running to use that contract in a deal. With the iHart free agency and the OG extension upcoming, it's going to be tough to carry over $20Million in dead salary over to the next season.
If a trade comes up next season ans you don't have that Fornier contract size then you don't have salaries to match next season unless you trade him for similar contracts or extendpick up his option next year. I want him traded to bring in a useful player with a similar deal. Every trade mentioned is not perfect but think the front office wants to trade Evan for a useful player or not trade him and lose the salary for future trades or extend him if no trade is done ? A trade has to be done and someone brought in and maybe cost Deuce and Grimes time or Grimes will be traded in a deal with Fornier. If not welcome Evan back for at least a part of 2024. It mak s no sense to let him go. I wrote that poorly overall but that's the best your going to get, I am on the subway
Alpha1971 wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:Rookie wrote:martin wrote:Knicks comfortably in the position to sit back and take their time with the next moves.Exactly this. They have a TPE or can also add a waived player. Do you think they waive Fournier if he isn't traded? Wait until he isn't playoff eligible and then waive him?
No need to waive. They can decline his option at the end of the season.
No advantage to the team to decline his option. If we don't trade him and get back at least a useful player at his salary level, we then lose a contract for future trades. If we don't find a trade for hi to be used in the we have to extend him.
Yeah agree. I'm just saying if they probably wouldn't waive or buyout out Fournier when they just opt out. It also gives a little more time to use his contract in a deal. If no deal pops out, just void the deal. The clock is running to use that contract in a deal. With the iHart free agency and the OG extension upcoming, it's going to be tough to carry over $20Million in dead salary over to the next season.
If a trade comes up next season ans you don't have that Fornier contract size then you don't have salaries to match next season unless you trade him for similar contracts or extendpick up his option next year. I want him traded to bring in a useful player with a similar deal. Every trade mentioned is not perfect but think the front office wants to trade Evan for a useful player or not trade him and lose the salary for future trades or extend him if no trade is done ? A trade has to be done and someone brought in and maybe cost Deuce and Grimes time or Grimes will be traded in a deal with Fornier. If not welcome Evan back for at least a part of 2024. It mak s no sense to let him go. I wrote that poorly overall but that's the best your going to get, I am on the subway
Get what you're saying. But you can't force it. If a trade isn't there that fits, then you just hold off. Maybe nothing shakes loose during the season? Maybe a Devin Booker forces himself out at the end of the season? Maybe nothing worthwhile even develops
Alpha1971 wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:Rookie wrote:martin wrote:Knicks comfortably in the position to sit back and take their time with the next moves.Exactly this. They have a TPE or can also add a waived player. Do you think they waive Fournier if he isn't traded? Wait until he isn't playoff eligible and then waive him?
No need to waive. They can decline his option at the end of the season.
No advantage to the team to decline his option. If we don't trade him and get back at least a useful player at his salary level, we then lose a contract for future trades. If we don't find a trade for hi to be used in the we have to extend him.
Yeah agree. I'm just saying if they probably wouldn't waive or buyout out Fournier when they just opt out. It also gives a little more time to use his contract in a deal. If no deal pops out, just void the deal. The clock is running to use that contract in a deal. With the iHart free agency and the OG extension upcoming, it's going to be tough to carry over $20Million in dead salary over to the next season.
If a trade comes up next season ans you don't have that Fornier contract size then you don't have salaries to match next season unless you trade him for similar contracts or extendpick up his option next year. I want him traded to bring in a useful player with a similar deal. Every trade mentioned is not perfect but think the front office wants to trade Evan for a useful player or not trade him and lose the salary for future trades or extend him if no trade is done ? A trade has to be done and someone brought in and maybe cost Deuce and Grimes time or Grimes will be traded in a deal with Fornier. If not welcome Evan back for at least a part of 2024. It mak s no sense to let him go. I wrote that poorly overall but that's the best your going to get, I am on the subway
Getting Fournier's contract off the books and not replacing his salary in a trade will keep our cap situation nice and healthy. If we stay as is, waive Fournier, re-sign iHart and OG and cap hold for 2 FRP's I am not confident we stay under the second apron. This shit is complicated now. The second apron penalties kick in this year. Having a contract like Fournier's come off the books might be considered an asset this offseason, IDK.
BigDaddyG wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:Rookie wrote:martin wrote:Knicks comfortably in the position to sit back and take their time with the next moves.Exactly this. They have a TPE or can also add a waived player. Do you think they waive Fournier if he isn't traded? Wait until he isn't playoff eligible and then waive him?
No need to waive. They can decline his option at the end of the season.
No advantage to the team to decline his option. If we don't trade him and get back at least a useful player at his salary level, we then lose a contract for future trades. If we don't find a trade for hi to be used in the we have to extend him.
Yeah agree. I'm just saying if they probably wouldn't waive or buyout out Fournier when they just opt out. It also gives a little more time to use his contract in a deal. If no deal pops out, just void the deal. The clock is running to use that contract in a deal. With the iHart free agency and the OG extension upcoming, it's going to be tough to carry over $20Million in dead salary over to the next season.
If a trade comes up next season ans you don't have that Fornier contract size then you don't have salaries to match next season unless you trade him for similar contracts or extendpick up his option next year. I want him traded to bring in a useful player with a similar deal. Every trade mentioned is not perfect but think the front office wants to trade Evan for a useful player or not trade him and lose the salary for future trades or extend him if no trade is done ? A trade has to be done and someone brought in and maybe cost Deuce and Grimes time or Grimes will be traded in a deal with Fornier. If not welcome Evan back for at least a part of 2024. It mak s no sense to let him go. I wrote that poorly overall but that's the best your going to get, I am on the subway
Get what you're saying. But you can't force it. If a trade isn't there that fits, then you just hold off. Maybe nothing shakes loose during the season? Maybe a Devin Booker forces himself out at the end of the season? Maybe nothing worthwhile even develops
If nothing happens then Evan will be retained for a potential deal in 2024-25. At this point maybe Evan will hope he is extended cause he gets that money. Expect Evan to clap loudly on the bench
Rookie wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:Rookie wrote:martin wrote:Knicks comfortably in the position to sit back and take their time with the next moves.Exactly this. They have a TPE or can also add a waived player. Do you think they waive Fournier if he isn't traded? Wait until he isn't playoff eligible and then waive him?
No need to waive. They can decline his option at the end of the season.
No advantage to the team to decline his option. If we don't trade him and get back at least a useful player at his salary level, we then lose a contract for future trades. If we don't find a trade for hi to be used in the we have to extend him.
Yeah agree. I'm just saying if they probably wouldn't waive or buyout out Fournier when they just opt out. It also gives a little more time to use his contract in a deal. If no deal pops out, just void the deal. The clock is running to use that contract in a deal. With the iHart free agency and the OG extension upcoming, it's going to be tough to carry over $20Million in dead salary over to the next season.
If a trade comes up next season ans you don't have that Fornier contract size then you don't have salaries to match next season unless you trade him for similar contracts or extendpick up his option next year. I want him traded to bring in a useful player with a similar deal. Every trade mentioned is not perfect but think the front office wants to trade Evan for a useful player or not trade him and lose the salary for future trades or extend him if no trade is done ? A trade has to be done and someone brought in and maybe cost Deuce and Grimes time or Grimes will be traded in a deal with Fornier. If not welcome Evan back for at least a part of 2024. It mak s no sense to let him go. I wrote that poorly overall but that's the best your going to get, I am on the subway
Getting Fournier's contract off the books and not replacing his salary in a trade will keep our cap situation nice and healthy. If we stay as is, waive Fournier, re-sign iHart and OG and cap hold for 2 FRP's I am not confident we stay under the second apron. This shit is complicated now. The second apron penalties kick in this year. Having a contract like Fournier's come off the books might be considered an asset this offseason, IDK.
I think they're about $10M under the first apron now. Maybe they convince OG to opt in and extend him later like they did Josh. But iHart might be looking at annual deal of $16M? You're right, there are no easy moves this off-season. I'll leave it to Brock to figure this out.
Alpha1971 wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:Rookie wrote:martin wrote:Knicks comfortably in the position to sit back and take their time with the next moves.Exactly this. They have a TPE or can also add a waived player. Do you think they waive Fournier if he isn't traded? Wait until he isn't playoff eligible and then waive him?
No need to waive. They can decline his option at the end of the season.
No advantage to the team to decline his option. If we don't trade him and get back at least a useful player at his salary level, we then lose a contract for future trades. If we don't find a trade for hi to be used in the we have to extend him.
Yeah agree. I'm just saying if they probably wouldn't waive or buyout out Fournier when they just opt out. It also gives a little more time to use his contract in a deal. If no deal pops out, just void the deal. The clock is running to use that contract in a deal. With the iHart free agency and the OG extension upcoming, it's going to be tough to carry over $20Million in dead salary over to the next season.
If a trade comes up next season ans you don't have that Fornier contract size then you don't have salaries to match next season unless you trade him for similar contracts or extendpick up his option next year. I want him traded to bring in a useful player with a similar deal. Every trade mentioned is not perfect but think the front office wants to trade Evan for a useful player or not trade him and lose the salary for future trades or extend him if no trade is done ? A trade has to be done and someone brought in and maybe cost Deuce and Grimes time or Grimes will be traded in a deal with Fornier. If not welcome Evan back for at least a part of 2024. It mak s no sense to let him go. I wrote that poorly overall but that's the best your going to get, I am on the subway
Get what you're saying. But you can't force it. If a trade isn't there that fits, then you just hold off. Maybe nothing shakes loose during the season? Maybe a Devin Booker forces himself out at the end of the season? Maybe nothing worthwhile even develops
If nothing happens then Evan will be retained for a potential deal in 2024-25. At this point maybe Evan.
I think this take is 100% wrong. Even with the cap going up 10% next year you want to stay under the second apron. Ideally what I'm hearing is it is designed to be above the luxury tax but under the first apron. You would have to do a forensic on our committed salary to make that determination. IN BROCK WE TRUST
BigDaddyG wrote:Rookie wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:Rookie wrote:martin wrote:Knicks comfortably in the position to sit back and take their time with the next moves.Exactly this. They have a TPE or can also add a waived player. Do you think they waive Fournier if he isn't traded? Wait until he isn't playoff eligible and then waive him?
No need to waive. They can decline his option at the end of the season.
No advantage to the team to decline his option. If we don't trade him and get back at least a useful player at his salary level, we then lose a contract for future trades. If we don't find a trade for hi to be used in the we have to extend him.
Yeah agree. I'm just saying if they probably wouldn't waive or buyout out Fournier when they just opt out. It also gives a little more time to use his contract in a deal. If no deal pops out, just void the deal. The clock is running to use that contract in a deal. With the iHart free agency and the OG extension upcoming, it's going to be tough to carry over $20Million in dead salary over to the next season.
If a trade comes up next season ans you don't have that Fornier contract size then you don't have salaries to match next season unless you trade him for similar contracts or extendpick up his option next year. I want him traded to bring in a useful player with a similar deal. Every trade mentioned is not perfect but think the front office wants to trade Evan for a useful player or not trade him and lose the salary for future trades or extend him if no trade is done ? A trade has to be done and someone brought in and maybe cost Deuce and Grimes time or Grimes will be traded in a deal with Fornier. If not welcome Evan back for at least a part of 2024. It mak s no sense to let him go. I wrote that poorly overall but that's the best your going to get, I am on the subway
Getting Fournier's contract off the books and not replacing his salary in a trade will keep our cap situation nice and healthy. If we stay as is, waive Fournier, re-sign iHart and OG and cap hold for 2 FRP's I am not confident we stay under the second apron. This shit is complicated now. The second apron penalties kick in this year. Having a contract like Fournier's come off the books might be considered an asset this offseason, IDK.
I think they're about $10M under the first apron now. Maybe they convince OG to opt in and extend him later like they did Josh. But iHart might be looking at annual deal of $16M? You're right, there are no easy moves this off-season. I'll leave it to Brock to figure this out.
they're going to need to give Brock a raise!
Rookie wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:Rookie wrote:martin wrote:Knicks comfortably in the position to sit back and take their time with the next moves.Exactly this. They have a TPE or can also add a waived player. Do you think they waive Fournier if he isn't traded? Wait until he isn't playoff eligible and then waive him?
No need to waive. They can decline his option at the end of the season.
No advantage to the team to decline his option. If we don't trade him and get back at least a useful player at his salary level, we then lose a contract for future trades. If we don't find a trade for hi to be used in the we have to extend him.
Yeah agree. I'm just saying if they probably wouldn't waive or buyout out Fournier when they just opt out. It also gives a little more time to use his contract in a deal. If no deal pops out, just void the deal. The clock is running to use that contract in a deal. With the iHart free agency and the OG extension upcoming, it's going to be tough to carry over $20Million in dead salary over to the next season.
If a trade comes up next season ans you don't have that Fornier contract size then you don't have salaries to match next season unless you trade him for similar contracts or extendpick up his option next year. I want him traded to bring in a useful player with a similar deal. Every trade mentioned is not perfect but think the front office wants to trade Evan for a useful player or not trade him and lose the salary for future trades or extend him if no trade is done ? A trade has to be done and someone brought in and maybe cost Deuce and Grimes time or Grimes will be traded in a deal with Fornier. If not welcome Evan back for at least a part of 2024. It mak s no sense to let him go. I wrote that poorly overall but that's the best your going to get, I am on the subway
Get what you're saying. But you can't force it. If a trade isn't there that fits, then you just hold off. Maybe nothing shakes loose during the season? Maybe a Devin Booker forces himself out at the end of the season? Maybe nothing worthwhile even develops
If nothing happens then Evan will be retained for a potential deal in 2024-25. At this point maybe Evan.
I think this take is 100% wrong. Even with the cap going up 10% next year you want to stay under the second apron. Ideally what I'm hearing is it is designed to be above the luxury tax but under the first apron. You would have to do a forensic on our committed salary to make that determination. IN BROCK WE TRUST
If Evan isn't traded and you don't extend him you loose his salary needed to include in a trade. It just comes down to that. Team has been saying they want to be ready to execute trade if it presents itself but without contracts to match salaries it becomes impossible. That's why he will be traded and a functional player brought in his place
Alpha1971 wrote:Rookie wrote:I think this take is 100% wrong. Even with the cap going up 10% next year you want to stay under the second apron. Ideally what I'm hearing is it is designed to be above the luxury tax but under the first apron. You would have to do a forensic on our committed salary to make that determination. IN BROCK WE TRUSTIf Evan isn't traded and don't extend him you loose his salary needed to include in a trade. It just comes down to that.
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2023/12/hoop...
Here are the moves that a team whose salary is above the first tax apron – but below the second apron – is prohibited from making in 2023/24:.
1)Acquiring a player via sign-and-trade.
2)Using any portion of the bi-annual exception.
3)Using more than the taxpayer portion (up to two years, with a starting salary of $5MM) of the mid-level exception.
4)Signing a player who was waived during the current season if his pre-waiver salary for 2023/24 exceeded the amount of the non-taxpayer mid-level exception ($12,405,000).
5)Taking back more than 110% of the salary it sends out in a trade (when over the cap).
The first four limitations on this list will remain in place in future seasons. The fifth will be modified to become even more restrictive.Here are the additional moves that teams above the first apron – but below the second apron – will be ineligible to make beginning after the last day of the 2023/24 regular season:
1)Taking back more than 100% of the salary it sends out in a trade (when over the cap).
2)Using a traded player exception generated during the prior year (ie. between the end of the previous regular season and the end of the most recent regular season).To clarify that second point, let’s say a team above the first apron currently has one trade exception worth $5MM, then generates another one worth $8MM at the 2024 trade deadline in February. Both of those exceptions would become unavailable once the team’s 2024 offseason begins.
That club could subsequently make a draft-night deal that generates a new $7MM TPE and use that exception at any point between its creation and the end of the 2024/25 regular season. But that TPE would once again become unavailable once the team’s 2025 offseason begins, prior to the typical one year expiration date
What restrictions does a team face if its salary is above the second tax apron?A team whose salary is above the second tax apron is prohibited from making any of the moves outlined above that are unavailable to teams above the first apron. That includes acquiring a player via sign-and-trade, using any portion of the bi-annual exception, and so on.
In 2023/24, a team above the second apron is also forbidden from using any portion of the mid-level exception.
Additional restrictions will be implemented beginning in 2024. Here are the moves that teams above the second tax apron won’t be permitted to make beginning after the last day of the 2023/24 regular season:
1)Using any portion of the mid-level exception.
2)Aggregating two or more player salaries in a trade.
3)Sending out cash as part of a trade.
4)Acquiring a player using a traded player exception if that TPE was created by sending out a player via sign-and-trade.
5)Teams above the second tax apron will face one more draft-related restriction beginning in the 2024/25 league year. If the team’s salary exceeds the second apron, its first-round pick in the draft seven years away will be frozen, making it ineligible to be traded.
BigDaddyG wrote:nycericanguy wrote:Knixkik wrote:martin wrote:Knicks comfortably in the position to sit back and take their time with the next moves.Agreed. With a month before the deadline it gives us time to really evaluate this group, which I’m sure is their intention. I do think though at the very least the Knicks need to move Fournier for contracts which extend into next year so they have contracts outside of the core group to trade. Knicks aren’t trading Brunson, Hart, DDV this summer. OG and Hartenstein won’t be eligible. That leaves Randle and Mitch. Not that likely either. If the Knicks can move Fournier now for Gafford and Shamet they will get salary to move as early as this summer. Washington should bite for minimum draft comp. Adding Gafford as center insurance and shamet as some shooting depth helps. This type of deal or for Brogdon makes the most sense from a contract standpoint, not even talking about the basketball side.
If no DJM then I agree Evan and a 1st for Gafford & Shamet is a great trade for the reasons you mentioned and doesn't take away min from the backcourt.
Precious does not look like he will be playable come playoff time so having Gafford behind Hart would be huge.
You do that deal and you run a real risk of not bringing iHart back. You can't have three centers, with two being injury risks, at that salary. You could just bring back Precious and Flynn back at inflated salaries.
I’m not worried about the money. I would treat Gafford as essentially a backup PF and stick with the Mitch/ Ihart duo at center. But with the news of Mitch maybe coming back this year it probably eliminates the need for this type of move. Still, the point stands that the Knicks probably need to turn Fournier’s contract into a tradeable large contract for next year. Brogdon still seems like one of the best options for that.
Alpha1971 wrote:Rookie wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:Rookie wrote:martin wrote:Knicks comfortably in the position to sit back and take their time with the next moves.Exactly this. They have a TPE or can also add a waived player. Do you think they waive Fournier if he isn't traded? Wait until he isn't playoff eligible and then waive him?
No need to waive. They can decline his option at the end of the season.
No advantage to the team to decline his option. If we don't trade him and get back at least a useful player at his salary level, we then lose a contract for future trades. If we don't find a trade for hi to be used in the we have to extend him.
Yeah agree. I'm just saying if they probably wouldn't waive or buyout out Fournier when they just opt out. It also gives a little more time to use his contract in a deal. If no deal pops out, just void the deal. The clock is running to use that contract in a deal. With the iHart free agency and the OG extension upcoming, it's going to be tough to carry over $20Million in dead salary over to the next season.
If a trade comes up next season ans you don't have that Fornier contract size then you don't have salaries to match next season unless you trade him for similar contracts or extendpick up his option next year. I want him traded to bring in a useful player with a similar deal. Every trade mentioned is not perfect but think the front office wants to trade Evan for a useful player or not trade him and lose the salary for future trades or extend him if no trade is done ? A trade has to be done and someone brought in and maybe cost Deuce and Grimes time or Grimes will be traded in a deal with Fornier. If not welcome Evan back for at least a part of 2024. It mak s no sense to let him go. I wrote that poorly overall but that's the best your going to get, I am on the subway
Get what you're saying. But you can't force it. If a trade isn't there that fits, then you just hold off. Maybe nothing shakes loose during the season? Maybe a Devin Booker forces himself out at the end of the season? Maybe nothing worthwhile even develops
If nothing happens then Evan will be retained for a potential deal in 2024-25. At this point maybe Evan.
I think this take is 100% wrong. Even with the cap going up 10% next year you want to stay under the second apron. Ideally what I'm hearing is it is designed to be above the luxury tax but under the first apron. You would have to do a forensic on our committed salary to make that determination. IN BROCK WE TRUST
If Evan isn't traded and you don't extend him you loose his salary needed to include in a trade. It just comes down to that. Team has been saying they want to be ready to execute trade if it presents itself but without contracts to match salaries it becomes impossible. That's why he will be traded and a functional player brought in his place
There’s BOG and AOG. After OG (AOG) we don’t have the assets to trade for a star player. We are now in a post OG world after including RJ and IQ in that deal. Maybe you shoot your wad on a DJM if you think he is the missing piece but is he? I don’t see where Grimes will ever be included in that deal. It’s Fournier and picks. Hey, maybe they have a Mitch, Fournier and picks deal for Spider lined up for the summer if Cleveland fails to get out of the 1st rd again, but that’s some real conspiracy theory stuff and I’m not willing to make that leap.
Rookie wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:Rookie wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:Rookie wrote:martin wrote:Knicks comfortably in the position to sit back and take their time with the next moves.Exactly this. They have a TPE or can also add a waived player. Do you think they waive Fournier if he isn't traded? Wait until he isn't playoff eligible and then waive him?
No need to waive. They can decline his option at the end of the season.
No advantage to the team to decline his option. If we don't trade him and get back at least a useful player at his salary level, we then lose a contract for future trades. If we don't find a trade for hi to be used in the we have to extend him.
Yeah agree. I'm just saying if they probably wouldn't waive or buyout out Fournier when they just opt out. It also gives a little more time to use his contract in a deal. If no deal pops out, just void the deal. The clock is running to use that contract in a deal. With the iHart free agency and the OG extension upcoming, it's going to be tough to carry over $20Million in dead salary over to the next season.
If a trade comes up next season ans you don't have that Fornier contract size then you don't have salaries to match next season unless you trade him for similar contracts or extendpick up his option next year. I want him traded to bring in a useful player with a similar deal. Every trade mentioned is not perfect but think the front office wants to trade Evan for a useful player or not trade him and lose the salary for future trades or extend him if no trade is done ? A trade has to be done and someone brought in and maybe cost Deuce and Grimes time or Grimes will be traded in a deal with Fornier. If not welcome Evan back for at least a part of 2024. It mak s no sense to let him go. I wrote that poorly overall but that's the best your going to get, I am on the subway
Get what you're saying. But you can't force it. If a trade isn't there that fits, then you just hold off. Maybe nothing shakes loose during the season? Maybe a Devin Booker forces himself out at the end of the season? Maybe nothing worthwhile even develops
If nothing happens then Evan will be retained for a potential deal in 2024-25. At this point maybe Evan.
I think this take is 100% wrong. Even with the cap going up 10% next year you want to stay under the second apron. Ideally what I'm hearing is it is designed to be above the luxury tax but under the first apron. You would have to do a forensic on our committed salary to make that determination. IN BROCK WE TRUST
If Evan isn't traded and you don't extend him you loose his salary needed to include in a trade. It just comes down to that. Team has been saying they want to be ready to execute trade if it presents itself but without contracts to match salaries it becomes impossible. That's why he will be traded and a functional player brought in his place
There’s BOG and AOG. After OG (AOG) we don’t have the assets to trade for a star player. We are now in a post OG world after including RJ and IQ in that deal. Maybe you shoot your wad on a DJM if you think he is the missing piece but is he? I don’t see where Grimes will ever be included in that deal. It’s Fournier and picks. Hey, maybe they have a Mitch, Fournier and picks deal for Spider lined up for the summer if Cleveland fails to get out of the 1st rd again, but that’s some real conspiracy theory stuff and I’m not willing to make that leap.
Whose Bog and AOG ? 😂 Plus whoever we trade for NYCerican will hate it. If it's Bogs from Detroit, I'd take him as the reserve combo forward in case of injury or foul trouble. He can be traded next season in a deal, if no other deals surface and Deuce and Grimes keep up their play. Mitch coming back potentially for the playoffs for 15 minutes a game is huge if it's true. Bench for playoffs if a guard is not acquired, Mitch,Bogs,Hart,Grimes,Deuce,
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He's only 20 years old! And from Ossining!
I don't know why Snyder has him out of the rotation. Does it mean he is out for good?
Can't speak for other teams, but if we bring him in its seen as using a first round pick to get him. He'll be tainted by fans because his warts are known and we like our picks blind as fans. Exuberance matters!
Lets take this big, if we do take on DJM, Grimes is certainly traded? DDV is not too good a contract. We will use a lot of picks to get him and AJ gets us a young player in return. Not as a throw in, but a sort of project? Injuries can and will happen. Josh or DDV will need time at some point if not this year, next.
AJ with that body is either going to keep getting larger, perhaps too big muscle mass (Zionism) or this kid will be a handful very good player but he must do other things on the court.
Is his issue with his coach? Rotation? Is he done there or just "for now". Snyder is a Dukie and I assume like we have our CAA mafia, he also is sort of hight with Coach K, His pops, and the kid. But, ATL has issues. Easy to say its Trae, or Murray as they are the top two on that team.
Siakim to ATL? Its a win now type move and DJM is part of that?
AJ is sniper. Its the rest unknown. Scanned over some things written about him and saw he missed some games due to "Personal issue". Thats vague. Other writings are mostly filler stuff as other players are getting minutes. One can only guess at many things with limited info. I know these one and done kids are suppose to be mature and fully prepared but this is some big boy shit to be a pro and even with his pops as a former player and coach, it can be crushing for any kid just a year removed from his teens.
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He would have been in our draft range so I'm sure we scouted him. I don't know why he dropped out of the lottery where he was projected to go. His rap is that he has lost the athleticism that he had in high school. He has a high floor. I'm interested to see if we could develop him on the same trajectory as IQ who came out of the same program. IQ was weak on fundamentals when he got here. Not exactly a 3 and D wing but I'm intrigued at the opportunity to add depth with upside on the cheap
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