Knicks · DeJounte Murray vs MIA in playoffs - 23/7/7 with 2 steals per game and only 2 TO's in 38mpg on 45/38/100 shooting. (page 11)
nycericanguy wrote:Garrett2010PSD wrote:Hearing today on Alan Hahn show that other teams have expressed interest in Murray. The once attractive notion of getting him cheap is a pipedram now. Try to get a backup PG on the cheap and wait for the big splash after the season. Not going to overpay for Murray. He's not that good.Ultimately I think it takes Grimes, MIL 1st, '27 1st and the WSH 1st, I wouldn't call that cheap but its a fair deal.
I would be surprised if that's all it took at this point. Knicks have a lot of competition now. I think the deal would already be done if they were willing to accept that offer.
KnickDanger wrote:Knixkik wrote:Knicks are in a position of power in the Murray talks. They don’t have to trade for him. They can easily just move the same players without the same value of picks for Bruce Brown or Brogdon to come off the bench and be fine.Is the Knicks Tax finis?
Unfortunately, I think there will always be a Knicks tax.
franco12 wrote:Murry just hit a game winner over the Heat with 2 seconds left- 2 foot behind the 3pt line. I never really watched him play. he has deceptive length and is a great passer. If we can get him, great- Hawks should trade Trae, but whatever.
This + Brogdon puts up 30/7/6 in upset of Pacers.
Notice Knicks 1/2 game behind Cavs in 4th but Cavs have played 8 less road games (wow).
Bucks/Sixers each with 6 less road games so far as well.
franco12 wrote:Murry just hit a game winner over the Heat with 2 seconds left- 2 foot behind the 3pt line. I never really watched him play. he has deceptive length and is a great passer. If we can get him, great- Hawks should trade Trae, but whatever.
This would be 2 games in a row where Trae’s panties were too tight and Murray had to save the night by hitting game winners.
He did it Wednesday night too against Orlando.
martin wrote:franco12 wrote:Murry just hit a game winner over the Heat with 2 seconds left- 2 foot behind the 3pt line. I never really watched him play. he has deceptive length and is a great passer. If we can get him, great- Hawks should trade Trae, but whatever.This would be 2 games in a row where Trae’s panties were too tight and Murray had to save the night by hitting game winners.
He did it Wednesday night too against Orlando.
this feels like KP all over again, feels like people are expecting some perfect player. Guys like KP and DJM could help this team tremendously.
Garrett2010PSD wrote:nycericanguy wrote:Garrett2010PSD wrote:Hearing today on Alan Hahn show that other teams have expressed interest in Murray. The once attractive notion of getting him cheap is a pipedram now. Try to get a backup PG on the cheap and wait for the big splash after the season. Not going to overpay for Murray. He's not that good.Ultimately I think it takes Grimes, MIL 1st, '27 1st and the WSH 1st, I wouldn't call that cheap but its a fair deal.
I would be surprised if that's all it took at this point. Knicks have a lot of competition now. I think the deal would already be done if they were willing to accept that offer.
that's the equivalent of like 3-4 1sts, can't imagine anyone that has been rumored to be interested being able to come up with more than that.
I think its more how much do we want him? I hope we don't miss the boat again like we did on KP.
Garrett2010PSD wrote:The Knicks are going hard after Bruce Brown.
hope not.
TheMTL wrote:Murray hits yet another game winner! Dude is showing that he is clutch and capable of creating shots in difficult playoff situations. We better get this man
That's why I made this thread, I remember watching him against MIA in the playoffs last year and he had no issues scoring, compared to how much we struggled, even Brunson who had an amazing series, but he had to work really hard for points.
Against ORL too we struggled so much to score and DJM is putting up 25 on these teams with game winners without issues.
nycericanguy wrote:Garrett2010PSD wrote:The Knicks are going hard after Bruce Brown.hope not.
In fact, I could see Knicks going for both Brown and Brogdan.
Garrett2010PSD wrote:nycericanguy wrote:Garrett2010PSD wrote:The Knicks are going hard after Bruce Brown.hope not.
In fact, I could see Knicks going for both Brown and Brogdan.
I dont see it, those are two guys that combined are going to play 60mpg... trading away Grimes and benching Deuce only opens up 25-30mpg. Nowhere near enough minutes.
and I don't see us moving Hart or DDV.
Brown is a nice player but he doesn't solve our ballhandling/creator issues and he makes our shooting worse which is something we clearly have been trying to address the past year or so. it would be a step back in that sense.
nycericanguy wrote:Garrett2010PSD wrote:nycericanguy wrote:Garrett2010PSD wrote:The Knicks are going hard after Bruce Brown.hope not.
In fact, I could see Knicks going for both Brown and Brogdan.
I dont see it, those are two guys that combined are going to play 60mpg... trading away Grimes and benching Deuce only opens up 25-30mpg. Nowhere near enough minutes.
and I don't see us moving Hart or DDV.
Brown is a nice player but he doesn't solve our ballhandling/creator issues and he makes our shooting worse which is something we clearly have been trying to address the past year or so. it would be a step back in that sense.
They want Brown for his defense. Brogdan would be the secondary ball handler.
Sounds like these moves are for injury insurance and to bolster depth.
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people say this guy can't shoot...lol. And legit compare him to RJ?... RJ could never take and make this shot... he shot 34% from 3 and that was almost all spoonfed wide open 3's.
who on our team even has the ability to even get that shot off, let alone drill it like that? Brunson...that's it.
There's a huge difference between shooting 38% on open C&S 3's like Grimes does, vs 39% on the type of unassisted 3's DJM takes.
It's not an aberration, DJM has been improving from 3 for 4 years, it's time people accept that he can flat shoot now.
Garrett2010PSD wrote:nycericanguy wrote:Garrett2010PSD wrote:nycericanguy wrote:Garrett2010PSD wrote:The Knicks are going hard after Bruce Brown.hope not.
In fact, I could see Knicks going for both Brown and Brogdan.
I dont see it, those are two guys that combined are going to play 60mpg... trading away Grimes and benching Deuce only opens up 25-30mpg. Nowhere near enough minutes.
and I don't see us moving Hart or DDV.
Brown is a nice player but he doesn't solve our ballhandling/creator issues and he makes our shooting worse which is something we clearly have been trying to address the past year or so. it would be a step back in that sense.
They want Brown for his defense. Brogdan would be the secondary ball handler.
Sounds like these moves are for injury insurance and to bolster depth.
If you want a spot defender you have Deuce, we're not trading picks to have Brown as an emergency 5-10mpg defender.
I mean I could see us trading for him, I wouldn't like it but I could see it. but no way can we fit both. what would be the realistic gameplan? 10mpg for Brown and 15-20 for Brogs? no player is going to thrive like that.
nycericanguy wrote:Garrett2010PSD wrote:nycericanguy wrote:Garrett2010PSD wrote:nycericanguy wrote:Garrett2010PSD wrote:The Knicks are going hard after Bruce Brown.hope not.
In fact, I could see Knicks going for both Brown and Brogdan.
I dont see it, those are two guys that combined are going to play 60mpg... trading away Grimes and benching Deuce only opens up 25-30mpg. Nowhere near enough minutes.
and I don't see us moving Hart or DDV.
Brown is a nice player but he doesn't solve our ballhandling/creator issues and he makes our shooting worse which is something we clearly have been trying to address the past year or so. it would be a step back in that sense.
They want Brown for his defense. Brogdan would be the secondary ball handler.
Sounds like these moves are for injury insurance and to bolster depth.
If you want a spot defender you have Deuce, we're not trading picks to have Brown as an emergency 5-10mpg defender.
I mean I could see us trading for him, I wouldn't like it but I could see it. but no way can we fit both. what would be the realistic gameplan? 10mpg for Brown and 15-20 for Brogs? no player is going to thrive like that.
I agree,it's not something I would do. Alan Hahn was saying recently he thinks Knicks are preparing to make a big move after the season.Will be for a better player than Murray. I support that plan.
Trade for Brogdan now if the price is reasonable and he checks outhealth wise.
Then we make our move in the summer or pre draft.
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Click here to view the Tweetpeople say this guy can't shoot...lol. And legit compare him to RJ?... RJ could never take and make this shot... he shot 34% from 3 and that was almost all spoonfed wide open 3's.
who on our team even has the ability to even get that shot off, let alone drill it like that? Brunson...that's it.
There's a huge difference between shooting 38% on open C&S 3's like Grimes does, vs 39% on the type of unassisted 3's DJM takes.
It's not an aberration, DJM has been improving from 3 for 4 years, it's time people accept that he can flat shoot now.
Not saying it won't work or that it will work. Just things that need to be taken into account. Like his role here will be different here than his role with the Spurs and the Hawks. There is no Randle esq player on the Hawks commanding 20 shot attempts having Murray compete with for the 2nd option.
His role here would be to guard the tougher opponent between the PG/SG. Provide necessary spacing for Brunson & Randle to operate. Cover Brunson's creation ability as he gets his rest. Be the leader of the 2nd unit with DDV, Hart,(Mitch).
If he is willing to defer to Randle and accept these responsibilities. The fit has potential to work since he is capable of doing those things asked. The true wild card is how this affects the key role players DDV & Hart. A Murray, DDV, Hart, OG, Mitch 2nd unit could do work for a defensive fastbreak unit in a best case scenario though.
newyorknewyork wrote:nycericanguy wrote:Javascript is not enabled or there was problem with the URL: https://twitter.com/draftkings/status/1748554539546951737?t=a_8CJE4oxCPxhwUi5hQ4Zg
Click here to view the Tweetpeople say this guy can't shoot...lol. And legit compare him to RJ?... RJ could never take and make this shot... he shot 34% from 3 and that was almost all spoonfed wide open 3's.
who on our team even has the ability to even get that shot off, let alone drill it like that? Brunson...that's it.
There's a huge difference between shooting 38% on open C&S 3's like Grimes does, vs 39% on the type of unassisted 3's DJM takes.
It's not an aberration, DJM has been improving from 3 for 4 years, it's time people accept that he can flat shoot now.
Not saying it won't work or that it will work. Just things that need to be taken into account. Like his role here will be different here than his role with the Spurs and the Hawks. There is no Randle esq player on the Hawks commanding 20 shot attempts having Murray compete with for the 2nd option.
His role here would be to guard the tougher opponent between the PG/SG. Provide necessary spacing for Brunson & Randle to operate. Cover Brunson's creation ability as he gets his rest. Be the leader of the 2nd unit with DDV, Hart,(Mitch).
If he is willing to defer to Randle and accept these responsibilities. The fit has potential to work since he is capable of doing those things asked. The true wild card is how this affects the key role players DDV & Hart. A Murray, DDV, Hart, OG, Mitch 2nd unit could do work for a defensive fastbreak unit in a best case scenario though.
we had RJ here and he got his 15-16 shots and scored 20 without a problem starting along those two. DDV has scored 13ppg in 23mpg as a starter... that's over 20ppg PER 36. IQ scored 15 without any issues.
The shots are there. Randle and Brunson along with the starters have had to play big minutes since the trade b/c we dont have anyone else that can create and score... so DJM is much more of a solution than a problem.
nycericanguy wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:nycericanguy wrote:Javascript is not enabled or there was problem with the URL: https://twitter.com/draftkings/status/1748554539546951737?t=a_8CJE4oxCPxhwUi5hQ4Zg
Click here to view the Tweetpeople say this guy can't shoot...lol. And legit compare him to RJ?... RJ could never take and make this shot... he shot 34% from 3 and that was almost all spoonfed wide open 3's.
who on our team even has the ability to even get that shot off, let alone drill it like that? Brunson...that's it.
There's a huge difference between shooting 38% on open C&S 3's like Grimes does, vs 39% on the type of unassisted 3's DJM takes.
It's not an aberration, DJM has been improving from 3 for 4 years, it's time people accept that he can flat shoot now.
Not saying it won't work or that it will work. Just things that need to be taken into account. Like his role here will be different here than his role with the Spurs and the Hawks. There is no Randle esq player on the Hawks commanding 20 shot attempts having Murray compete with for the 2nd option.
His role here would be to guard the tougher opponent between the PG/SG. Provide necessary spacing for Brunson & Randle to operate. Cover Brunson's creation ability as he gets his rest. Be the leader of the 2nd unit with DDV, Hart,(Mitch).
If he is willing to defer to Randle and accept these responsibilities. The fit has potential to work since he is capable of doing those things asked. The true wild card is how this affects the key role players DDV & Hart. A Murray, DDV, Hart, OG, Mitch 2nd unit could do work for a defensive fastbreak unit in a best case scenario though.
we had RJ here and he got his 15-16 shots and scored 20 without a problem starting along those two. DDV has scored 13ppg in 23mpg as a starter... that's over 20ppg PER 36. IQ scored 15 without any issues.
The shots are there. Randle and Brunson along with the starters have had to play big minutes since the trade b/c we dont have anyone else that can create and score... so DJM is much more of a solution than a problem.
Thibs plays his starters big mins. Thats how he has always coached. Murray will get 33mins per at minimum with the high probability of playing even more if Thibs falls in love.
Don't get hung up on shot attempts to what I was saying. It's more about role. Murray was the #1 on the Spurs and now #2 on ATL. He will be #3 with the Knicks. The #3 is asked to do things that u want to limit your #1 & #2 from doing. He's gonna have to accept taking on the tougher defensive assignment while Brunson still gets first offensively. There are gonna be many possessions when he is left out while Brunson and Randle run a 2 man game. Hes gonna need to be willing to accept that and still dig in on defense. Have the feel to know when to pick his spots within this role. And faith that his time will come to get his up with that 2nd unit.
Knicks will be paying a real good price with the hopes that he conforms to an elite 3rd option doing all the things mentioned above.
newyorknewyork wrote:nycericanguy wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:nycericanguy wrote:Javascript is not enabled or there was problem with the URL: https://twitter.com/draftkings/status/1748554539546951737?t=a_8CJE4oxCPxhwUi5hQ4Zg
Click here to view the Tweetpeople say this guy can't shoot...lol. And legit compare him to RJ?... RJ could never take and make this shot... he shot 34% from 3 and that was almost all spoonfed wide open 3's.
who on our team even has the ability to even get that shot off, let alone drill it like that? Brunson...that's it.
There's a huge difference between shooting 38% on open C&S 3's like Grimes does, vs 39% on the type of unassisted 3's DJM takes.
It's not an aberration, DJM has been improving from 3 for 4 years, it's time people accept that he can flat shoot now.
Not saying it won't work or that it will work. Just things that need to be taken into account. Like his role here will be different here than his role with the Spurs and the Hawks. There is no Randle esq player on the Hawks commanding 20 shot attempts having Murray compete with for the 2nd option.
His role here would be to guard the tougher opponent between the PG/SG. Provide necessary spacing for Brunson & Randle to operate. Cover Brunson's creation ability as he gets his rest. Be the leader of the 2nd unit with DDV, Hart,(Mitch).
If he is willing to defer to Randle and accept these responsibilities. The fit has potential to work since he is capable of doing those things asked. The true wild card is how this affects the key role players DDV & Hart. A Murray, DDV, Hart, OG, Mitch 2nd unit could do work for a defensive fastbreak unit in a best case scenario though.
we had RJ here and he got his 15-16 shots and scored 20 without a problem starting along those two. DDV has scored 13ppg in 23mpg as a starter... that's over 20ppg PER 36. IQ scored 15 without any issues.
The shots are there. Randle and Brunson along with the starters have had to play big minutes since the trade b/c we dont have anyone else that can create and score... so DJM is much more of a solution than a problem.
Thibs plays his starters big mins. Thats how he has always coached. Murray will get 33mins per at minimum with the high probability of playing even more if Thibs falls in love.
Don't get hung up on shot attempts to what I was saying. It's more about role. Murray was the #1 on the Spurs and now #2 on ATL. He will be #3 with the Knicks. The #3 is asked to do things that u want to limit your #1 & #2 from doing. He's gonna have to accept taking on the tougher defensive assignment while Brunson still gets first offensively. There are gonna be many possessions when he is left out while Brunson and Randle run a 2 man game. Hes gonna need to be willing to accept that and still dig in on defense. Have the feel to know when to pick his spots within this role. And faith that his time will come to get his up with that 2nd unit.
Knicks will be paying a real good price with the hopes that he conforms to an elite 3rd option doing all the things mentioned above.
Knicks only have 3 players in the top 100 in MPG... that's a very old narrative about Thibs overplaying guys. Even this year we dont have a single player in the top 10 in MPG and that's despite Brunson and Randle's minutes having gone way up since the trade. No one gets on Joe Mazulla for playing Tatum 36mpg, that's strictly a NY obsession with Thibs. Young stars play 35-36mpg, there's nothing crazy about that.
There are plenty of shots and minutes for DJM here no matter how you slice it. These guys don't get labeled "1,2 and 3". There will be plenty of nights when DJM is the #1 and #2...
Our team's calling card come playoffs will be defense. But this isn't the NFL, offense >>>> defense in the NBA. So I love the idea of Murray, who will improve our defense, adds another ball handler, and adds offense
I think I want Murray more than Mitchell. I think the former would fit in. I think the latter might disrupt the fabric of the team, because he'd arguably be a bigger star than Brunson and Randle