Nalod wrote:WOrried about OG also. DOn’t want to wake up one day and read he is having Tommy John surgery and out for a while.
Did Raptors sell us damaged goods? Hope not.
Shit happens. Lessor the better!
I’m with you on this!!
Raptors definitely sold damaged goods but I’m sure the Knicks were aware. Tommy John is a bit extreme so I bet he is dealing with sort of golfers/tennis elbow issue, which is a pain in the ass on its own.
Swishfm3 wrote:Nalod wrote:WOrried about OG also. DOn’t want to wake up one day and read he is having Tommy John surgery and out for a while.
Did Raptors sell us damaged goods? Hope not.
Shit happens. Lessor the better!
I’m with you on this!!
Raptors definitely sold damaged goods but I’m sure the Knicks were aware. Tommy John is a bit extreme so I bet he is dealing with sort of golfers/tennis elbow issue, which is a pain in the ass on its own.
Interesting scenario. The Knicks have long tried to pry OG away from Toronto, but they wanted a King's ransom for him. Out of the blue, he's available. Then the Knicks find out that he's playing through pain and might need off season surgery so he's available, and the Knicks want him so badly, they make a deal, but insist on them throwing in Achiuwa and Flynn. The Knicks thinking long term while getting some experienced depth behind Randle and the backcourt, whilst Toronto is thinking total rebuild by building around up 'n coming youngsters' RJ and IQ and an extra pick
Possible I suppose...hmmm
Mentioned this on another thread but RJ has been out as well.
Also his elbow has been an issue before the trade I have read.
RJ knee was and has been as well. IQ missed a few games post trade I believe.
Nalod wrote:Also his elbow has been an issue before the trade I have read.
RJ knee was and has been as well. IQ missed a few games post trade I believe.
It's the NBA. Season ending injuries aside, knees, elbows, shoulders, and just about everything else take a regular beat down. 82 games of it is a lot. Is the answer load management? I really don't know.
Leon's son is OG's agent. They didn't sell us anything we weren't aware of.
KnickDanger wrote:Nalod wrote:Also his elbow has been an issue before the trade I have read.
RJ knee was and has been as well. IQ missed a few games post trade I believe.
It's the NBA. Season ending injuries aside, knees, elbows, shoulders, and just about everything else take a regular beat down. 82 games of it is a lot. Is the answer load management? I really don't know.
Also that some players will make less if they can't hold up. Im all for players getting paid but those that cripple teams is an issue.
DLeethal wrote:Leon's son is OG's agent. They didn't sell us anything we weren't aware of.
Well...that pretty much answers any skepticism I had. Thanks
As good as news as you can get
BigDaddyG wrote:
Of course he will. He is a motherfucking beast.
Btw, he's had bone spurs every season and plays through that shit! 
BingBong wrote:Swishfm3 wrote:Nalod wrote:WOrried about OG also. DOn’t want to wake up one day and read he is having Tommy John surgery and out for a while.
Did Raptors sell us damaged goods? Hope not.
Shit happens. Lessor the better!
I’m with you on this!!
Raptors definitely sold damaged goods but I’m sure the Knicks were aware. Tommy John is a bit extreme so I bet he is dealing with sort of golfers/tennis elbow issue, which is a pain in the ass on its own.
Interesting scenario. The Knicks have long tried to pry OG away from Toronto, but they wanted a King's ransom for him. Out of the blue, he's available. Then the Knicks find out that he's playing through pain and might need off season surgery so he's available, and the Knicks want him so badly, they make a deal, but insist on them throwing in Achiuwa and Flynn. The Knicks thinking long term while getting some experienced depth behind Randle and the backcourt, whilst Toronto is thinking total rebuild by building around up 'n coming youngsters' RJ and IQ and an extra pick
Possible I suppose...hmmm
I read they felt they were never going to re-sign OG, so getting what they did was a huge steal.
BingBong wrote:DLeethal wrote:Leon's son is OG's agent. They didn't sell us anything we weren't aware of.
Well...that pretty much answers any skepticism I had. Thanks
Can you guys take this xonvo to another thread. This is a Trade Randle thread. 
Raptors may be saying same thing.
https://www.numberfire.com/nba/player-ne...
This is the NBA. Rigorous. Not everyone can be as durable as some players we know.
jaydh wrote:BingBong wrote:Swishfm3 wrote:Nalod wrote:WOrried about OG also. DOn’t want to wake up one day and read he is having Tommy John surgery and out for a while.
Did Raptors sell us damaged goods? Hope not.
Shit happens. Lessor the better!
I’m with you on this!!
Raptors definitely sold damaged goods but I’m sure the Knicks were aware. Tommy John is a bit extreme so I bet he is dealing with sort of golfers/tennis elbow issue, which is a pain in the ass on its own.
Interesting scenario. The Knicks have long tried to pry OG away from Toronto, but they wanted a King's ransom for him. Out of the blue, he's available. Then the Knicks find out that he's playing through pain and might need off season surgery so he's available, and the Knicks want him so badly, they make a deal, but insist on them throwing in Achiuwa and Flynn. The Knicks thinking long term while getting some experienced depth behind Randle and the backcourt, whilst Toronto is thinking total rebuild by building around up 'n coming youngsters' RJ and IQ and an extra pick
Possible I suppose...hmmm
I read they felt they were never going to re-sign OG, so getting what they did was a huge steal.
Not like he was walking. There was a market for him and we won the bidding.
They were not resigning him but they were sure gonna trade him. Tried before so its no secret. The price went down.
To some teams he is more valuable than to others.
For what he did on knicks is proved the price was good. WE did not steal him, and we did not get fleeced.
Raptors are rebooting and while any team can use an OG, they decided to allocate resources elsewhere.
On a team like the Pacers OG has lessor value than to the knicks.
I don't agree "what they did was a huge steal". It implies they had few options.
FVV was a different story. The offers perhaps included taking back salary they did not want to, and Freds salary demands would not have worked on Raptors. Should they have traded him sooner? In hindsight of course. My guess is they did think he'd command a deal like he got and at the end of the day there was not a suitable trade at the time that motivated them. How do I know this? They never made a trade!!!
Supply and demand. Capitalism at its best.
DLeethal wrote:Julius Randle is showing "positive progression" as he rehabs a dislocated shoulder, reported Ian Begley of SNY.Begley adds that the Knicks are gaining optimism that he could potentially return this season.
“I’ve heard during this period that there’s been some positive progression here during the rehab and I think that’s left people with even more reason to be optimistic that Randle will be back at some point this season,” said Begley.
Randle will undergo 2-3 more weeks of rehab. Both parties will then make a decision as to whether Randle will return or have surgery and miss the season.
Good news I suppose
This has me changing my outlook.
Thought he would be back in a couple of weeks after the MRI.
Now thinking it is worse.
Only because when I had a shoulder injury, I started feeling better within two weeks.
However, that was followed with no progression for the next two weeks. Went back to surgeon and he said it was clear my issue could only be resolved through surgery.
Hopefully that's not the case.
Btw, what the general consensus if JR comes back and does not play up to All Star caliber?
Probably just more Trade Randle trades
HofstraBBall wrote:DLeethal wrote:Julius Randle is showing "positive progression" as he rehabs a dislocated shoulder, reported Ian Begley of SNY.Begley adds that the Knicks are gaining optimism that he could potentially return this season.
“I’ve heard during this period that there’s been some positive progression here during the rehab and I think that’s left people with even more reason to be optimistic that Randle will be back at some point this season,” said Begley.
Randle will undergo 2-3 more weeks of rehab. Both parties will then make a decision as to whether Randle will return or have surgery and miss the season.
Good news I suppose
This has me changing my outlook.
Thought he would be back in a couple of weeks after the MRI.
Now thinking it is worse.
Only because when I had a shoulder injury, I started feeling better within two weeks.
However, that was followed with no progression for the next two weeks. Went back to surgeon and he said it was clear my issue could only be resolved through surgery.
Hopefully that's not the case.
Btw, what the general consensus if JR comes back and does not play up to All Star caliber?
Probably just more Trade Randle trades
If he bombs out I don't think they will get value for him. He's done enough where you have to expect him to ask for a monster deal after next season. If you trade for him after he falls off in the postseason again you are getting one value year followed by huge committeemen to an aging player that's never performed well when it matters most. For better or for worse I think the Knicks and Rabdle are married.
HofstraBBall wrote:DLeethal wrote:Julius Randle is showing "positive progression" as he rehabs a dislocated shoulder, reported Ian Begley of SNY.Begley adds that the Knicks are gaining optimism that he could potentially return this season.
“I’ve heard during this period that there’s been some positive progression here during the rehab and I think that’s left people with even more reason to be optimistic that Randle will be back at some point this season,” said Begley.
Randle will undergo 2-3 more weeks of rehab. Both parties will then make a decision as to whether Randle will return or have surgery and miss the season.
Good news I suppose
This has me changing my outlook.
Thought he would be back in a couple of weeks after the MRI.
Now thinking it is worse.
Only because when I had a shoulder injury, I started feeling better within two weeks.
However, that was followed with no progression for the next two weeks. Went back to surgeon and he said it was clear my issue could only be resolved through surgery.
Hopefully that's not the case.
Btw, what the general consensus if JR comes back and does not play up to All Star caliber?
Probably just more Trade Randle trades
That's what you get when he does play at All Star level!
KnickDanger wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:DLeethal wrote:Julius Randle is showing "positive progression" as he rehabs a dislocated shoulder, reported Ian Begley of SNY.Begley adds that the Knicks are gaining optimism that he could potentially return this season.
“I’ve heard during this period that there’s been some positive progression here during the rehab and I think that’s left people with even more reason to be optimistic that Randle will be back at some point this season,” said Begley.
Randle will undergo 2-3 more weeks of rehab. Both parties will then make a decision as to whether Randle will return or have surgery and miss the season.
Good news I suppose
This has me changing my outlook.
Thought he would be back in a couple of weeks after the MRI.
Now thinking it is worse.
Only because when I had a shoulder injury, I started feeling better within two weeks.
However, that was followed with no progression for the next two weeks. Went back to surgeon and he said it was clear my issue could only be resolved through surgery.
Hopefully that's not the case.
Btw, what the general consensus if JR comes back and does not play up to All Star caliber?
Probably just more Trade Randle trades
That's what you get when he does play at All Star level!
Randle's not a finesse guy. He's a banger. They are going to be sure he's not putting himself at risk here I think. Will be interesting to see how it plays out. I just hope whatever it is we play the long game. This is a nice group with a healthy window to compete for a title if they stay together. I just think Brunson/Randle/OG + DD/Josh + our center rotation has us "there"
It's just having the pieces there when you need em. Boston, Denver, Milw, any team with Chris Paul... roster is part of it, gotta get there beat the best. I like our chances with this crew. Obviously OG and Mitch are worrisome
