We are MUCH better. Everyone talks about OG. But Precious came over in the trade too and he is an upgrade compared to Obi Toppin and exactly what this team needed as well.
I do think the Knicks should have tried harder to keep Quickley though even if that meant giving up a first rounder.
If we get to the Finals in the next 3 years it will have been worth it overall. I'm guessing thats how much time we have with Brunson at peak performance/health.
One of our big three had to go. Wasnt going to be Brunson, so it was between RJ and Randle. If Randle doesnt have a good playoff run, he could be next. The rebuilding phase is over, Knicks are in the "win now" mode, I see Leon continuing to be aggressive over the summer. The big moves ain't over yet.
Knicks have the deepest roster since the 54 win team. The difference being that the 54 win team consisted mostly of stars who either retired during or after the season ended. We gave up some youth in these trades, but we're still a relatively young team.
Despite all the injuries, I dont expect this squad to fall apart in the second half of the season, like the 54 win squad did. I believe the best is yet to come.
BTW hope you're back in the studio Papabear.
DLeethal wrote:martin wrote:During the month of January, Knicks were tied for 3rd in wins, 9th in ORating, 3rd in DRating, 3rd in NetRating.https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/advanced...
What the fuck are we complaining about today? That OG missed some games but was otherwise setting historical +/- rating for a single player on a new team. EVER.
Dude had the highest individual impact on the court ever while joining a new team, for like 4 weeks straight.
Open the flood gates of look back.
This is a trick question.
We will be really good at full strength but can't rely on that honeymoon forever. We had similar runs after Rose trade and Hart trade. Dust settles and those runs never last forever. We will be a different team in a different spot when everyone gets back. And soon we will have to make tough decisions about keeping key guys from that honeymoon run (Deuce and Precious) in the fold or incorporate the guys from the trade instead.
But we are now a team on a 4 game losing streak with a brutal run of games ahead trying to incorporate key guys 1 by 1 as they get back into the lineup. Near term still looks rocky and will be a battle to get our mojo back.
That's a weird way of saying the Knicks were missing 4 starters and their 7th and 8th guys off bench.
Legit missing 6 rotation players.
But honeymoon?
Nalod wrote:When you kick phucking ass in January one does not feel bad.
When you lose 4 in a row after a really good surge you question things.
Fans prerogative.
Is it the fans prerogative to be kinda silly?
martin wrote:DLeethal wrote:martin wrote:During the month of January, Knicks were tied for 3rd in wins, 9th in ORating, 3rd in DRating, 3rd in NetRating.https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/advanced...
What the fuck are we complaining about today? That OG missed some games but was otherwise setting historical +/- rating for a single player on a new team. EVER.
Dude had the highest individual impact on the court ever while joining a new team, for like 4 weeks straight.
Open the flood gates of look back.
This is a trick question.
We will be really good at full strength but can't rely on that honeymoon forever. We had similar runs after Rose trade and Hart trade. Dust settles and those runs never last forever. We will be a different team in a different spot when everyone gets back. And soon we will have to make tough decisions about keeping key guys from that honeymoon run (Deuce and Precious) in the fold or incorporate the guys from the trade instead.
But we are now a team on a 4 game losing streak with a brutal run of games ahead trying to incorporate key guys 1 by 1 as they get back into the lineup. Near term still looks rocky and will be a battle to get our mojo back.
That's a weird way of saying the Knicks were missing 4 starters and their 7th and 8th guys off bench.
Legit missing 6 rotation players.
But honeymoon?
the main players traded were RJ & IQ for OG and Bogs. two ironmen for two injury prone players. so it's not exactly a huge surprise.
our durability was a big advantage, we traded some of that away.
martin wrote:DLeethal wrote:martin wrote:During the month of January, Knicks were tied for 3rd in wins, 9th in ORating, 3rd in DRating, 3rd in NetRating.https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/advanced...
What the fuck are we complaining about today? That OG missed some games but was otherwise setting historical +/- rating for a single player on a new team. EVER.
Dude had the highest individual impact on the court ever while joining a new team, for like 4 weeks straight.
Open the flood gates of look back.
This is a trick question.
We will be really good at full strength but can't rely on that honeymoon forever. We had similar runs after Rose trade and Hart trade. Dust settles and those runs never last forever. We will be a different team in a different spot when everyone gets back. And soon we will have to make tough decisions about keeping key guys from that honeymoon run (Deuce and Precious) in the fold or incorporate the guys from the trade instead.
But we are now a team on a 4 game losing streak with a brutal run of games ahead trying to incorporate key guys 1 by 1 as they get back into the lineup. Near term still looks rocky and will be a battle to get our mojo back.
That's a weird way of saying the Knicks were missing 4 starters and their 7th and 8th guys off bench.
Legit missing 6 rotation players.
But honeymoon?
I'm not saying we would have lost 4 in a row at full health, we probably would have kept buzzing along until ASB. But everyone got hurt, we lost 4 in a row, and we have a brutal stretch coming up where we need to incorporate all of our guys back into the lineup piece by piece. That's our new reality. It's going to be tough - not sure why that is a controversial take. Momentum is earned and when you lost it you have to earn it back.
Post trade honeymoon, just like the honeymoon most coaches get after a coaching change. They never last forever.
DLeethal wrote:martin wrote:DLeethal wrote:martin wrote:During the month of January, Knicks were tied for 3rd in wins, 9th in ORating, 3rd in DRating, 3rd in NetRating.https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/advanced...
What the fuck are we complaining about today? That OG missed some games but was otherwise setting historical +/- rating for a single player on a new team. EVER.
Dude had the highest individual impact on the court ever while joining a new team, for like 4 weeks straight.
Open the flood gates of look back.
This is a trick question.
We will be really good at full strength but can't rely on that honeymoon forever. We had similar runs after Rose trade and Hart trade. Dust settles and those runs never last forever. We will be a different team in a different spot when everyone gets back. And soon we will have to make tough decisions about keeping key guys from that honeymoon run (Deuce and Precious) in the fold or incorporate the guys from the trade instead.
But we are now a team on a 4 game losing streak with a brutal run of games ahead trying to incorporate key guys 1 by 1 as they get back into the lineup. Near term still looks rocky and will be a battle to get our mojo back.
That's a weird way of saying the Knicks were missing 4 starters and their 7th and 8th guys off bench.
Legit missing 6 rotation players.
But honeymoon?
I'm not saying we would have lost 4 in a row at full health, we probably would have kept buzzing along until ASB. But everyone got hurt, we lost 4 in a row, and we have a brutal stretch coming up where we need to incorporate all of our guys back into the lineup piece by piece. That's our new reality. It's going to be tough - not sure why that is a controversial take. Momentum is earned and when you lost it you have to earn it back.
Post trade honeymoon, just like the honeymoon most coaches get after a coaching change. They never last forever.
The glass half full version would be that this has allowed Thibs to play players big mins that he normally wouldn't have. Hartenstein, Precious, Mcbride have all shown to be gems due to the injuries ahead of them. During the playoffs when guys are called up they will be more than ready to go.
Trade/injuries have also shown us how good DDV can also be with the free reign given to him.
Knicks future is being molded for the long haul due to these revelations.
Time to ignore this thread people got on those rose tinted glasses again. The old team did not fit at all. We were going no where with RJ as a starter. We could not afford to keep Quick because he wants too much money. Yall need to watch that winning streak post OG trade again because these losses due to injuries are getting to you.
The trade is always going to be polarizing because of the ability for OG to remain healthy and the cost it would take to retain him.
You can’t move a guy that just made the All Star team for the 3rd time in 4 years. He’s not perfect but he’s making virtually no money compared to other all stars.
Grimes is the only one that bothers me. The trade for Bogey only made sense if we were going to get our guys heathy by the playoffs, then it’s a good deal because we have a real shot. His on ball defense was special, he just for whatever reason couldn’t figure out how to pick his spots offensively. His upside is there, but he’s also always injured.
The hope is you could resign OG at a better contract now.
Nalod wrote:When you kick phucking ass in January one does not feel bad.
When you lose 4 in a row after a really good surge you question things.
Fans prerogative.
Yes winning feels good. Yes losing feels bad.
I think the grimes trade hurt us in the short term. But helps us in the long term.
I also think we were spoiled by the OG trade, looking for instant gratification in the second trade but that’s not realistic. OGs instant impact is not the norm.
Plus this is NY and patience and NY never mixed well.
Knixkik wrote:Much better off now than before. And I was a huge RJ and Quickley guy. I think the opinion that we are better is fairly universal at this point. Just have to have patience.
its not even close. This team is so much better. That prior squad was hitting it's ceiling and wasnt the right mix of players
martin wrote:Nalod wrote:When you kick phucking ass in January one does not feel bad.
When you lose 4 in a row after a really good surge you question things.
Fans prerogative.
Is it the fans prerogative to be kinda silly?
The historical record would bear this out.
nycericanguy wrote:martin wrote:DLeethal wrote:martin wrote:During the month of January, Knicks were tied for 3rd in wins, 9th in ORating, 3rd in DRating, 3rd in NetRating.https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/advanced...
What the fuck are we complaining about today? That OG missed some games but was otherwise setting historical +/- rating for a single player on a new team. EVER.
Dude had the highest individual impact on the court ever while joining a new team, for like 4 weeks straight.
Open the flood gates of look back.
This is a trick question.
We will be really good at full strength but can't rely on that honeymoon forever. We had similar runs after Rose trade and Hart trade. Dust settles and those runs never last forever. We will be a different team in a different spot when everyone gets back. And soon we will have to make tough decisions about keeping key guys from that honeymoon run (Deuce and Precious) in the fold or incorporate the guys from the trade instead.
But we are now a team on a 4 game losing streak with a brutal run of games ahead trying to incorporate key guys 1 by 1 as they get back into the lineup. Near term still looks rocky and will be a battle to get our mojo back.
That's a weird way of saying the Knicks were missing 4 starters and their 7th and 8th guys off bench.
Legit missing 6 rotation players.
But honeymoon?
the main players traded were RJ & IQ for OG and Bogs. two ironmen for two injury prone players. so it's not exactly a huge surprise.
our durability was a big advantage, we traded some of that away.
You need to help quantify for me what you consider an injury pronoe player and how it pertains to Bogs. And then help me understand why they even matters.
Cause you sure ain't talking about what's better for the team and, you know, wins. Unless all you care about is a young team where no one misses games?
DLeethal wrote:martin wrote:DLeethal wrote:martin wrote:During the month of January, Knicks were tied for 3rd in wins, 9th in ORating, 3rd in DRating, 3rd in NetRating.https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/advanced...
What the fuck are we complaining about today? That OG missed some games but was otherwise setting historical +/- rating for a single player on a new team. EVER.
Dude had the highest individual impact on the court ever while joining a new team, for like 4 weeks straight.
Open the flood gates of look back.
This is a trick question.
We will be really good at full strength but can't rely on that honeymoon forever. We had similar runs after Rose trade and Hart trade. Dust settles and those runs never last forever. We will be a different team in a different spot when everyone gets back. And soon we will have to make tough decisions about keeping key guys from that honeymoon run (Deuce and Precious) in the fold or incorporate the guys from the trade instead.
But we are now a team on a 4 game losing streak with a brutal run of games ahead trying to incorporate key guys 1 by 1 as they get back into the lineup. Near term still looks rocky and will be a battle to get our mojo back.
That's a weird way of saying the Knicks were missing 4 starters and their 7th and 8th guys off bench.
Legit missing 6 rotation players.
But honeymoon?
I'm not saying we would have lost 4 in a row at full health, we probably would have kept buzzing along until ASB. But everyone got hurt, we lost 4 in a row, and we have a brutal stretch coming up where we need to incorporate all of our guys back into the lineup piece by piece. That's our new reality. It's going to be tough - not sure why that is a controversial take. Momentum is earned and when you lost it you have to earn it back.
Post trade honeymoon, just like the honeymoon most coaches get after a coaching change. They never last forever.
Somehow the Knicks were able to trade way RJ and IQ and integrate OG, Precious into the lineup without any time or problems.
Why the sudden hiccup as if it matters any more?
The Knicks had a historic level honeymoon. But let's ignore that and just poopoo some post honeymoon pessimism? No thanks
Knicks have a decimation level of injuries. They'll lose some games and then when guys are healthy, they are a legit ECF's team
We clearly were a better team when we had OG and Randle healthy and in the lineup.
We definitely a worse team without OG, Randle AND on top of that Hartenstein. And we're a dreadful team when you then further take away additional guys like we have lately like DiVincenzo, Bogdanovic, Sims, Brunson etc.
Might as well have these injuries now and be in a position for mid-March / April to have these guys back fully healthy and ready to go for the playoffs. We want to finish top 4, out of the play in if possible. I think we can do it.
Randle is an iron man. The ankle and the shoulder were both freak accidents.
OG had a minor elbow thing that he should be recovered from any week. He might be even better with that fixed.
Bojan and Burks deserve a few games to settle in.
Precious has some pretty exciting upside.
And the trades were also done with the long term in mind as well. Contracts, playing time, etc.
We're better. Have faith!
Also, these were win-win trades for all sides. IMO.
But my opinion is also correct. 
Clean wrote:Time to ignore this thread people got on those rose tinted glasses again. The old team did not fit at all. We were going no where with RJ as a starter. We could not afford to keep Quick because he wants too much money. Yall need to watch that winning streak post OG trade again because these losses due to injuries are getting to you.
How many times I've heard IQ wanted to much money? How much did he want? I believe the rumor was $20m?
But Bojan is worth $19m and he only plays one side of the court and 10 years older?
C'mom 20 posts deep and no one really talking about the Randle injury? A lot of guys can get injured and the Knicks are deep enough to keep rolling but this was, is, and will be Randle's team. See how Orlando stuck a big wing (Wagner/ Isaac) on Brunson and just broke his game? At the end of the day size matters and Randle's quickness, bulk, passing, and strength just forces the defense to make tough decisions. Much love for Brunson but there's a ceiling on short guys.
Panos wrote:Clean wrote:Time to ignore this thread people got on those rose tinted glasses again. The old team did not fit at all. We were going no where with RJ as a starter. We could not afford to keep Quick because he wants too much money. Yall need to watch that winning streak post OG trade again because these losses due to injuries are getting to you.
How many times I've heard IQ wanted to much money? How much did he want? I believe the rumor was $20m?
But Bojan is worth $19m and he only plays one side of the court and 10 years older?
He wanted 25mil or more a year. You can't justify that with how bad his playoff was. I can understand if he played in the playoffs like he did in the regular season but that was not the case. Giving Quick 25mil also meant we had to let someone else go like Ihart or we would be over the cap with a team that does not fit.
https://www.sny.tv/articles/knicks-refus...
https://www.si.com/nba/raptors/news/toro...
martin wrote:DLeethal wrote:martin wrote:DLeethal wrote:martin wrote:During the month of January, Knicks were tied for 3rd in wins, 9th in ORating, 3rd in DRating, 3rd in NetRating.https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/advanced...
What the fuck are we complaining about today? That OG missed some games but was otherwise setting historical +/- rating for a single player on a new team. EVER.
Dude had the highest individual impact on the court ever while joining a new team, for like 4 weeks straight.
Open the flood gates of look back.
This is a trick question.
We will be really good at full strength but can't rely on that honeymoon forever. We had similar runs after Rose trade and Hart trade. Dust settles and those runs never last forever. We will be a different team in a different spot when everyone gets back. And soon we will have to make tough decisions about keeping key guys from that honeymoon run (Deuce and Precious) in the fold or incorporate the guys from the trade instead.
But we are now a team on a 4 game losing streak with a brutal run of games ahead trying to incorporate key guys 1 by 1 as they get back into the lineup. Near term still looks rocky and will be a battle to get our mojo back.
That's a weird way of saying the Knicks were missing 4 starters and their 7th and 8th guys off bench.
Legit missing 6 rotation players.
But honeymoon?
I'm not saying we would have lost 4 in a row at full health, we probably would have kept buzzing along until ASB. But everyone got hurt, we lost 4 in a row, and we have a brutal stretch coming up where we need to incorporate all of our guys back into the lineup piece by piece. That's our new reality. It's going to be tough - not sure why that is a controversial take. Momentum is earned and when you lost it you have to earn it back.
Post trade honeymoon, just like the honeymoon most coaches get after a coaching change. They never last forever.
Somehow the Knicks were able to trade way RJ and IQ and integrate OG, Precious into the lineup without any time or problems.
Why the sudden hiccup as if it matters any more?
The Knicks had a historic level honeymoon. But let's ignore that and just poopoo some post honeymoon pessimism? No thanks
Knicks have a decimation level of injuries. They'll lose some games and then when guys are healthy, they are a legit ECF's team
In his and many Knicks fans defense. We are not use to pieces fitting together lol. As Knicks have usually been a team in transition to acquire talent over building a team that fits together. The concept of the team naturally clicking together due to the pieces naturally fitting together is probably a foreign concept to accept given our past history. Some will need time to realize it's a new day.
They probably still tryna figure out how Curry, Randolph, QRich, Crawford, Marbury would only win 30 games a year. Even though they all double digit scorers.
Oh yea it was all Marbury fault.
