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Let the pistons play big minutes give hart a break.

Non contact injuries are the body telling you that you are not getting enough rest.
"Old school" mentality needs to adjust to how today's athletes rarely rest. It's a 365 days training routine. Unlike the old days where it was seasonal.

Hopefully all of our guys are well rested and ready to go by the playoffs . Right now it should be next man up. At least it tells the FO who can take on bigger roles .

I’m guessing he doesn’t play tonight but if he does it means he is fine.

fishmike wrote:Pat Riley on load management:
https://www.basketball-reference.com/tea...

Wow. Of Knicks top 8 players a single game missed (Mark Jackson). Patrick averaged 38.4 minutes per game.

Minutes Police (MP’s) pants wetting would have created a river down Seventh Avenue.

KnickDanger wrote:

fishmike wrote:Pat Riley on load management:
https://www.basketball-reference.com/tea...

Wow. Of Knicks top 8 players a single game missed (Mark Jackson). Patrick averaged 38.4 minutes per game.

Minutes Police (MP’s) pants wetting would have created a river down Seventh Avenue.

Wait until they find out that Tim Duncan averaged just about 40 minutes for the first 6 years of his career.

fishmike wrote:Pat Riley on load management:
https://www.basketball-reference.com/tea...

Would we have seen Starks go 2-18, 0-11 from 3, if Ro' Blackman had been sitting on the bench for game 7? Barely got any PT during that playoff run. It can be argued that Riley should have expanded his rotation.

For a good while, RJ and Randle were number one and two in the league in mpg. That wasnt a mirage. Neither is Thibs lack of playoff success. If some fans want to blame the last 15 years on everyone but the coach, who played a large part in roster building, be my guest. Dont be surprised if some of us disagree.

The only other explanation for overachieving in the regular season, but never the playoffs. Is that Thibs is lacking as a coach in another dept, like Xs and Os, roster building. Has to be a good reason beyond its everyone elses fault but Thibs.

I hear some posters who criticize Thibs admit on some level that he is a good coach. But I dont hear his strongest supporters admit that he ever makes any mistakes. Makes conversation difficult.

GustavBahler wrote:

fishmike wrote:Pat Riley on load management:
https://www.basketball-reference.com/tea...

Would we have seen Starks go 2-18, 0-11 from 3, if Ro' Blackman had been sitting on the bench for game 7? Barely got any PT during that playoff run. It can be argued that Riley should have expanded his rotation.

For a good while, RJ and Randle were number one and two in the league in mpg. That wasnt a mirage. Neither is Thibs lack of playoff success. If some fans want to blame the last 15 years on everyone but the coach, who played a large part in roster building, be my guest. Dont be surprised if some of us disagree.

The only other explanation for overachieving in the regular season, but never the playoffs. Is that Thibs is lacking as a coach in another dept, like Xs and Os, roster building. Has to be a good reason beyond its everyone elses fault but Thibs.

I hear some posters who criticize Thibs admit on some level that he is a good coach. But I dont hear his strongest supporters admit that he ever makes any mistakes. Makes conversation difficult.

This is what happens when you actually don't know the history of a coach. Literally no idea what you are talking about and it makes zero sense.

Even if you are only able to recall the Thib's Knicks year, you KNOW both the team and the coach overachieved. By a lot.

When one has Noel/Taj, Randle, RJ, Bullock, Elfrid... just making it to the playoffs is a clear miracle. 4th seed. Put the caveat here on playoff wins and you have a good start to deluding yourself.

The Knicks smashed Cleveland last year. That was sheer out-coaching and out playing through and through. ie. Overachieving regardless of seeding. Obliterated a very good team who went all in on a player trade in Donovan. Played a top-notch Miami team REALLY well.

In Chicago, after Rose went down, that team overachieved to 50 wins and then year later in 2012-13 got gunned down by LeBron, Wade, Bosh.

There is context to this? Or just ignore?

Seems to me the problem is knowing exactly what actually happened.

I don't even know what those last 2 sentences mean.

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

fishmike wrote:Pat Riley on load management:
https://www.basketball-reference.com/tea...

Would we have seen Starks go 2-18, 0-11 from 3, if Ro' Blackman had been sitting on the bench for game 7? Barely got any PT during that playoff run. It can be argued that Riley should have expanded his rotation.

For a good while, RJ and Randle were number one and two in the league in mpg. That wasnt a mirage. Neither is Thibs lack of playoff success. If some fans want to blame the last 15 years on everyone but the coach, who played a large part in roster building, be my guest. Dont be surprised if some of us disagree.

The only other explanation for overachieving in the regular season, but never the playoffs. Is that Thibs is lacking as a coach in another dept, like Xs and Os, roster building. Has to be a good reason beyond its everyone elses fault but Thibs.

I hear some posters who criticize Thibs admit on some level that he is a good coach. But I dont hear his strongest supporters admit that he ever makes any mistakes. Makes conversation difficult.

This is what happens when you actually don't know the history of a coach. Literally no idea what you are talking about and it makes zero sense.

Even if you are only able to recall the Thib's Knicks year, you KNOW both the team and the coach overachieved. By a lot.

When one has Noel/Taj, Randle, RJ, Bullock, Elfrid... just making it to the playoffs is a clear miracle. 4th seed. Put the caveat here on playoff wins and you have a good start to deluding yourself.

The Knicks smashed Cleveland last year. That was sheer out-coaching and out playing through and through. ie. Overachieving regardless of seeding. Obliterated a very good team who went all in on a player trade in Donovan. Played a top-notch Miami team REALLY well.

In Chicago, after Rose went down, that team overachieved to 50 wins and then year later in 2012-13 got gunned down by LeBron, Wade, Bosh.

There is context to this? Or just ignore?

Seems to me the problem is knowing exactly what actually happened.

I don't even know what those last 2 sentences mean.

Coaching has been great since he's been here. So has player development. So has the roster construction. So has effort and accountability and before this year it's been a pretty good health run. Too many Knick fans still stuck in the Matrix... wired for suffering. Let go and be free.

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

fishmike wrote:Pat Riley on load management:
https://www.basketball-reference.com/tea...

Would we have seen Starks go 2-18, 0-11 from 3, if Ro' Blackman had been sitting on the bench for game 7? Barely got any PT during that playoff run. It can be argued that Riley should have expanded his rotation.

For a good while, RJ and Randle were number one and two in the league in mpg. That wasnt a mirage. Neither is Thibs lack of playoff success. If some fans want to blame the last 15 years on everyone but the coach, who played a large part in roster building, be my guest. Dont be surprised if some of us disagree.

The only other explanation for overachieving in the regular season, but never the playoffs. Is that Thibs is lacking as a coach in another dept, like Xs and Os, roster building. Has to be a good reason beyond its everyone elses fault but Thibs.

I hear some posters who criticize Thibs admit on some level that he is a good coach. But I dont hear his strongest supporters admit that he ever makes any mistakes. Makes conversation difficult.

This is what happens when you actually don't know the history of a coach. Literally no idea what you are talking about and it makes zero sense.

Even if you are only able to recall the Thib's Knicks year, you KNOW both the team and the coach overachieved. By a lot.

When one has Noel/Taj, Randle, RJ, Bullock, Elfrid... just making it to the playoffs is a clear miracle. 4th seed. Put the caveat here on playoff wins and you have a good start to deluding yourself.

The Knicks smashed Cleveland last year. That was sheer out-coaching and out playing through and through. ie. Overachieving regardless of seeding. Obliterated a very good team who went all in on a player trade in Donovan. Played a top-notch Miami team REALLY well.

In Chicago, after Rose went down, that team overachieved to 50 wins and then year later in 2012-13 got gunned down by LeBron, Wade, Bosh.

There is context to this? Or just ignore?

Seems to me the problem is knowing exactly what actually happened.

I don't even know what those last 2 sentences mean.

I just gave you 15 years of context, and you just cherry picked a few seasons. When has Thibs going all out for a high seed done anything for his track record in the playoffs?

Thibs has largely built the teams he has coached. 31-41 in the playoffs since 2010. Thats a record that isnt immune from criticism.

As far as last last part, there isnt a coach in this league who doesnt make a bad call now and then. The kind of stuff you would normally point out on a sports message board.

GustavBahler wrote:

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

fishmike wrote:Pat Riley on load management:
https://www.basketball-reference.com/tea...

Would we have seen Starks go 2-18, 0-11 from 3, if Ro' Blackman had been sitting on the bench for game 7? Barely got any PT during that playoff run. It can be argued that Riley should have expanded his rotation.

For a good while, RJ and Randle were number one and two in the league in mpg. That wasnt a mirage. Neither is Thibs lack of playoff success. If some fans want to blame the last 15 years on everyone but the coach, who played a large part in roster building, be my guest. Dont be surprised if some of us disagree.

The only other explanation for overachieving in the regular season, but never the playoffs. Is that Thibs is lacking as a coach in another dept, like Xs and Os, roster building. Has to be a good reason beyond its everyone elses fault but Thibs.

I hear some posters who criticize Thibs admit on some level that he is a good coach. But I dont hear his strongest supporters admit that he ever makes any mistakes. Makes conversation difficult.

This is what happens when you actually don't know the history of a coach. Literally no idea what you are talking about and it makes zero sense.

Even if you are only able to recall the Thib's Knicks year, you KNOW both the team and the coach overachieved. By a lot.

When one has Noel/Taj, Randle, RJ, Bullock, Elfrid... just making it to the playoffs is a clear miracle. 4th seed. Put the caveat here on playoff wins and you have a good start to deluding yourself.

The Knicks smashed Cleveland last year. That was sheer out-coaching and out playing through and through. ie. Overachieving regardless of seeding. Obliterated a very good team who went all in on a player trade in Donovan. Played a top-notch Miami team REALLY well.

In Chicago, after Rose went down, that team overachieved to 50 wins and then year later in 2012-13 got gunned down by LeBron, Wade, Bosh.

There is context to this? Or just ignore?

Seems to me the problem is knowing exactly what actually happened.

I don't even know what those last 2 sentences mean.

I just gave you 15 years of context, and you just cherry picked a few seasons. When has Thibs going all out for a high seed done anything for his track record in the playoffs?

The only thing I left out is his Minny days, where he took a team that had not reached playoffs in 15 year and got them there in 2. I am not cherry picking, I am literally giving you examples of what you are looking for and then you promptly ignore then cause they flat dispute what you are trying to say. And you did not give 15 years of context, you glossed over 15 years of a coach and misstated them.

GustavBahler wrote:Thibs has largely built the teams he has coached. 31-41 in the playoffs since 2010. Thats a record that isnt immune from criticism.

As far as last last part, there isnt a coach in this league who doesnt make a bad call now and then. The kind of stuff you would normally point out on a sports message board.

Thibs has been the head coach in 3 cities: Chicago, Minny, NY. There is only one club he was responsible for building the team.

GustavBahler, you should learn the actual history of things and get them straight, cause it makes conversation difficult when you can't come to these details yourself and just make stuff up.

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

fishmike wrote:Pat Riley on load management:
https://www.basketball-reference.com/tea...

Would we have seen Starks go 2-18, 0-11 from 3, if Ro' Blackman had been sitting on the bench for game 7? Barely got any PT during that playoff run. It can be argued that Riley should have expanded his rotation.

For a good while, RJ and Randle were number one and two in the league in mpg. That wasnt a mirage. Neither is Thibs lack of playoff success. If some fans want to blame the last 15 years on everyone but the coach, who played a large part in roster building, be my guest. Dont be surprised if some of us disagree.

The only other explanation for overachieving in the regular season, but never the playoffs. Is that Thibs is lacking as a coach in another dept, like Xs and Os, roster building. Has to be a good reason beyond its everyone elses fault but Thibs.

I hear some posters who criticize Thibs admit on some level that he is a good coach. But I dont hear his strongest supporters admit that he ever makes any mistakes. Makes conversation difficult.

This is what happens when you actually don't know the history of a coach. Literally no idea what you are talking about and it makes zero sense.

Even if you are only able to recall the Thib's Knicks year, you KNOW both the team and the coach overachieved. By a lot.

When one has Noel/Taj, Randle, RJ, Bullock, Elfrid... just making it to the playoffs is a clear miracle. 4th seed. Put the caveat here on playoff wins and you have a good start to deluding yourself.

The Knicks smashed Cleveland last year. That was sheer out-coaching and out playing through and through. ie. Overachieving regardless of seeding. Obliterated a very good team who went all in on a player trade in Donovan. Played a top-notch Miami team REALLY well.

In Chicago, after Rose went down, that team overachieved to 50 wins and then year later in 2012-13 got gunned down by LeBron, Wade, Bosh.

There is context to this? Or just ignore?

Seems to me the problem is knowing exactly what actually happened.

I don't even know what those last 2 sentences mean.

I just gave you 15 years of context, and you just cherry picked a few seasons. When has Thibs going all out for a high seed done anything for his track record in the playoffs?

The only thing I left out is his Minny days, where he took a team that had not reached playoffs in 15 year and got them there in 2. I am not cherry picking, I am literally giving you examples of what you are looking for and then you promptly ignore then cause they flat dispute what you are trying to say. And you did not give 15 years of context, you glossed over 15 years of a coach and misstated them.

GustavBahler wrote:Thibs has largely built the teams he has coached. 31-41 in the playoffs since 2010. Thats a record that isnt immune from criticism.

As far as last last part, there isnt a coach in this league who doesnt make a bad call now and then. The kind of stuff you would normally point out on a sports message board.

Thibs has been the head coach in 3 cities: Chicago, Minny, NY. There is only one club he was responsible for building the team.

GustavBahler, you should learn the actual history of things and get them straight, cause it makes conversation difficult when you can't come to these details yourself and just make stuff up.

Thibs was in charge in Minny, Layden worked for him. 4 years, team president, his roster, 97-107.

Butler left because he saw a lack of professionalism from his teammates. Did better post-Minny. Went to the Finals with a less talented Heat. The difference? Spoelstra.

Still no acknowledgment that Thibs sub 500 record in the playoffs is in any way on him. Thats pretty basic stuff Martin.

GustavBahler wrote:Still no acknowledgment that Thibs sub 500 record in the playoffs is in any way on him. Thats pretty basic stuff Martin.

The best part will be when there is a good playoff run it will be because of Brunson and have nothing to do with Thibs. Yawn.

Brunson playing tonight?

GustavBahler wrote:

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

fishmike wrote:Pat Riley on load management:
https://www.basketball-reference.com/tea...

Would we have seen Starks go 2-18, 0-11 from 3, if Ro' Blackman had been sitting on the bench for game 7? Barely got any PT during that playoff run. It can be argued that Riley should have expanded his rotation.

For a good while, RJ and Randle were number one and two in the league in mpg. That wasnt a mirage. Neither is Thibs lack of playoff success. If some fans want to blame the last 15 years on everyone but the coach, who played a large part in roster building, be my guest. Dont be surprised if some of us disagree.

The only other explanation for overachieving in the regular season, but never the playoffs. Is that Thibs is lacking as a coach in another dept, like Xs and Os, roster building. Has to be a good reason beyond its everyone elses fault but Thibs.

I hear some posters who criticize Thibs admit on some level that he is a good coach. But I dont hear his strongest supporters admit that he ever makes any mistakes. Makes conversation difficult.

This is what happens when you actually don't know the history of a coach. Literally no idea what you are talking about and it makes zero sense.

Even if you are only able to recall the Thib's Knicks year, you KNOW both the team and the coach overachieved. By a lot.

When one has Noel/Taj, Randle, RJ, Bullock, Elfrid... just making it to the playoffs is a clear miracle. 4th seed. Put the caveat here on playoff wins and you have a good start to deluding yourself.

The Knicks smashed Cleveland last year. That was sheer out-coaching and out playing through and through. ie. Overachieving regardless of seeding. Obliterated a very good team who went all in on a player trade in Donovan. Played a top-notch Miami team REALLY well.

In Chicago, after Rose went down, that team overachieved to 50 wins and then year later in 2012-13 got gunned down by LeBron, Wade, Bosh.

There is context to this? Or just ignore?

Seems to me the problem is knowing exactly what actually happened.

I don't even know what those last 2 sentences mean.

I just gave you 15 years of context, and you just cherry picked a few seasons. When has Thibs going all out for a high seed done anything for his track record in the playoffs?

The only thing I left out is his Minny days, where he took a team that had not reached playoffs in 15 year and got them there in 2. I am not cherry picking, I am literally giving you examples of what you are looking for and then you promptly ignore then cause they flat dispute what you are trying to say. And you did not give 15 years of context, you glossed over 15 years of a coach and misstated them.

GustavBahler wrote:Thibs has largely built the teams he has coached. 31-41 in the playoffs since 2010. Thats a record that isnt immune from criticism.

As far as last last part, there isnt a coach in this league who doesnt make a bad call now and then. The kind of stuff you would normally point out on a sports message board.

Thibs has been the head coach in 3 cities: Chicago, Minny, NY. There is only one club he was responsible for building the team.

GustavBahler, you should learn the actual history of things and get them straight, cause it makes conversation difficult when you can't come to these details yourself and just make stuff up.

Thibs was in charge in Minny, Layden worked for him. 4 years, team president, his roster, 97-107.

Butler left because he saw a lack of professionalism from his teammates. Did better post-Minny. Went to the Finals with a less talented Heat. The difference? Spoelstra.

Still no acknowledgment that Thibs sub 500 record in the playoffs is in any way on him. Thats pretty basic stuff Martin.

You need other people to acknowledge basic facts for you? Jesus man. What does that at all have to do with overachieving in the playoffs?

How about you get some facts right? Thibs got to Minny in April 2016. He was out Jan 2019, meaning was with Minny for just about 2.5 years? That's a good round up to 4 to you? Thibs basically got a perenial tank team to the playoffs in 2 years after missing them for about 15. And then he was let go.

How are you supposed to overachieve in the playoffs in those years?

Do you even know what you are talking about any more?

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

fishmike wrote:Pat Riley on load management:
https://www.basketball-reference.com/tea...

Would we have seen Starks go 2-18, 0-11 from 3, if Ro' Blackman had been sitting on the bench for game 7? Barely got any PT during that playoff run. It can be argued that Riley should have expanded his rotation.

For a good while, RJ and Randle were number one and two in the league in mpg. That wasnt a mirage. Neither is Thibs lack of playoff success. If some fans want to blame the last 15 years on everyone but the coach, who played a large part in roster building, be my guest. Dont be surprised if some of us disagree.

The only other explanation for overachieving in the regular season, but never the playoffs. Is that Thibs is lacking as a coach in another dept, like Xs and Os, roster building. Has to be a good reason beyond its everyone elses fault but Thibs.

I hear some posters who criticize Thibs admit on some level that he is a good coach. But I dont hear his strongest supporters admit that he ever makes any mistakes. Makes conversation difficult.

This is what happens when you actually don't know the history of a coach. Literally no idea what you are talking about and it makes zero sense.

Even if you are only able to recall the Thib's Knicks year, you KNOW both the team and the coach overachieved. By a lot.

When one has Noel/Taj, Randle, RJ, Bullock, Elfrid... just making it to the playoffs is a clear miracle. 4th seed. Put the caveat here on playoff wins and you have a good start to deluding yourself.

The Knicks smashed Cleveland last year. That was sheer out-coaching and out playing through and through. ie. Overachieving regardless of seeding. Obliterated a very good team who went all in on a player trade in Donovan. Played a top-notch Miami team REALLY well.

In Chicago, after Rose went down, that team overachieved to 50 wins and then year later in 2012-13 got gunned down by LeBron, Wade, Bosh.

There is context to this? Or just ignore?

Seems to me the problem is knowing exactly what actually happened.

I don't even know what those last 2 sentences mean.

I just gave you 15 years of context, and you just cherry picked a few seasons. When has Thibs going all out for a high seed done anything for his track record in the playoffs?

The only thing I left out is his Minny days, where he took a team that had not reached playoffs in 15 year and got them there in 2. I am not cherry picking, I am literally giving you examples of what you are looking for and then you promptly ignore then cause they flat dispute what you are trying to say. And you did not give 15 years of context, you glossed over 15 years of a coach and misstated them.

GustavBahler wrote:Thibs has largely built the teams he has coached. 31-41 in the playoffs since 2010. Thats a record that isnt immune from criticism.

As far as last last part, there isnt a coach in this league who doesnt make a bad call now and then. The kind of stuff you would normally point out on a sports message board.

Thibs has been the head coach in 3 cities: Chicago, Minny, NY. There is only one club he was responsible for building the team.

GustavBahler, you should learn the actual history of things and get them straight, cause it makes conversation difficult when you can't come to these details yourself and just make stuff up.

Thibs was in charge in Minny, Layden worked for him. 4 years, team president, his roster, 97-107.

Butler left because he saw a lack of professionalism from his teammates. Did better post-Minny. Went to the Finals with a less talented Heat. The difference? Spoelstra.

Still no acknowledgment that Thibs sub 500 record in the playoffs is in any way on him. Thats pretty basic stuff Martin.

You need other people to acknowledge basic facts for you? Jesus man. What does that at all have to do with overachieving in the playoffs?

How about you get some facts right? Thibs got to Minny in April 2016. He was out Jan 2019, meaning was with Minny for just about 2.5 years? That's a good round up to 4 to you? Thibs basically got a perenial tank team to the playoffs in 2 years after missing them for about 15. And then he was let go.

How are you supposed to overachieve in the playoffs in those years?

Do you even know what you are talking about any more?

Thibs playoff record sucks for someone who has been a head coach since 2010, 31-41. All I hear is excuses, lots and lots of excuses. One conference finals appearance in 2010. Thats the best Thibs has ever done in the playoffs and it was in 2010.

Plenty of underdog teams have gone deep in the playoffs, but a coach as good as Thibs is supposed to be, thats too heavy a lift. Coaches have routinely gone further with equal or less talent than Thibs has since 2010.

My point is that its very hard to go deep in the playoffs when you make the regular season the be all end all. Enough of a sample size to say that this has been Thibs MO.

Have to repeat that I do believe that Thibs can go deep in the playoffs if we have a deep bench, and Thibs is willing to make use of it.