DLeethal wrote:Good win, handled business like we needed to do. Brunson was amazing but his 3 ball has been off for awhile now it seems. Really need him to get that back on track.
The defense was phenomenal again, this team flies around like no other, it's fun to watch when they are all connected. They do the same on offense a lot too, lots of movement and passing and whipping the ball around.
Precious looking really good at backup 5 behind iHart. He struggled a bit earlier in the season at the 5 and came into his own playing the 4. He looks great in that role right now.
It was tough to watch OG last night. Thibs said the pain was an expected part of the recovery and that he is fine. That must be why they kept him in and there must not be much of a risk of reinjury, he just needs to deal with the pain. Tough spot for a basketball injury - shooting elbow. He took a top of the key 3 pointer and screamed in pain late in the game. He must have screamed in pain where you could hear it on TV 3-4 times. Again, tough to watch. But he continues to be a massive difference maker even when he's out there playing one-armed.
I agree with Monica that the refs seemed to have make a league wide adjustment mid season and they are letting teams play. Brunson needs to get used to it, he complains a lot about contact but they are calling it that way both ways and it's a net positive for us, as a physical defensive team.
Good win, onto the next. Need to find a way to win 1 of the next 2 because DEN is on fire and will be tough.
It will be really interesting to see if the Knicks ultimately benefit if the refs call less. On one hand, they are a physical defensive team. On the other hand, their offensive players initiate contact a lot. Randle like Bruson drives into the defender's chest a lot. I suspect like Brunson he won't get the same calls and will get frustrated.
nycericanguy wrote:DDV is really in a funk, he's just playing too many minutes. Wish we still had Grimes instead of Bogs. Grimes's size and defense and spacing allowed us to play him even if he wasn't scoring much.
I wish we had a healthy Grimes too. I feel a Brunson, DDV, Grimes, OG, I-Hart lineup could light up the score broad and be really tough to score on.
EwingPSD wrote:DLeethal wrote:Good win, handled business like we needed to do. Brunson was amazing but his 3 ball has been off for awhile now it seems. Really need him to get that back on track.
The defense was phenomenal again, this team flies around like no other, it's fun to watch when they are all connected. They do the same on offense a lot too, lots of movement and passing and whipping the ball around.
Precious looking really good at backup 5 behind iHart. He struggled a bit earlier in the season at the 5 and came into his own playing the 4. He looks great in that role right now.
It was tough to watch OG last night. Thibs said the pain was an expected part of the recovery and that he is fine. That must be why they kept him in and there must not be much of a risk of reinjury, he just needs to deal with the pain. Tough spot for a basketball injury - shooting elbow. He took a top of the key 3 pointer and screamed in pain late in the game. He must have screamed in pain where you could hear it on TV 3-4 times. Again, tough to watch. But he continues to be a massive difference maker even when he's out there playing one-armed.
I agree with Monica that the refs seemed to have make a league wide adjustment mid season and they are letting teams play. Brunson needs to get used to it, he complains a lot about contact but they are calling it that way both ways and it's a net positive for us, as a physical defensive team.
Good win, onto the next. Need to find a way to win 1 of the next 2 because DEN is on fire and will be tough.
It will be really interesting to see if the Knicks ultimately benefit if the refs call less. On one hand, they are a physical defensive team. On the other hand, their offensive players initiate contact a lot. Randle like Bruson drives into the defender's chest a lot. I suspect like Brunson he won't get the same calls and will get frustrated.
Yea it's tough assessment. I do see us create a lot of turnovers throughout the game where in my head I'm thinking "can't believe they didn't call a foul on us there". We are also a heavy rim protection team where lots of fouls usually occur and you can get fast break opps when you get starts there.
fishmike wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Not sure what it says about the roster that Thibs has to keep playing Brunson till the end with double digit leads. Or what it says about Thibs. Josh Hart was half right when he joked that Thibs is "working through some past trauma". It borders on coaching scared.
says same thing about every NBA roster... if you think 12-15 points is somehow a safe lead you not gonna coach in this league very longMinutes police have chimed in Jalen's 38 were too many! Bad Thibs... no cookies today
whoo whooo whooo whooooo pullllll over!
Only coach in the league who has a rep for doing this, to the point where players are joking about it to the media. If Thibs cant trust his players to close a game wihout Brunson, then its on him, not the roster. At least give them a chance once in a while to see how they do.
Again no one else in the league coaches like this. Spoelstra and Pops are the two best coaches in the NBA, they've won many chips from taking the opposite approach. They run if not sprint from that dated philosophy. Cant teach players to close, if you dont give them the chance.
EwingPSD wrote:DLeethal wrote:Good win, handled business like we needed to do. Brunson was amazing but his 3 ball has been off for awhile now it seems. Really need him to get that back on track.
The defense was phenomenal again, this team flies around like no other, it's fun to watch when they are all connected. They do the same on offense a lot too, lots of movement and passing and whipping the ball around.
Precious looking really good at backup 5 behind iHart. He struggled a bit earlier in the season at the 5 and came into his own playing the 4. He looks great in that role right now.
It was tough to watch OG last night. Thibs said the pain was an expected part of the recovery and that he is fine. That must be why they kept him in and there must not be much of a risk of reinjury, he just needs to deal with the pain. Tough spot for a basketball injury - shooting elbow. He took a top of the key 3 pointer and screamed in pain late in the game. He must have screamed in pain where you could hear it on TV 3-4 times. Again, tough to watch. But he continues to be a massive difference maker even when he's out there playing one-armed.
I agree with Monica that the refs seemed to have make a league wide adjustment mid season and they are letting teams play. Brunson needs to get used to it, he complains a lot about contact but they are calling it that way both ways and it's a net positive for us, as a physical defensive team.
Good win, onto the next. Need to find a way to win 1 of the next 2 because DEN is on fire and will be tough.
It will be really interesting to see if the Knicks ultimately benefit if the refs call less. On one hand, they are a physical defensive team. On the other hand, their offensive players initiate contact a lot. Randle like Bruson drives into the defender's chest a lot. I suspect like Brunson he won't get the same calls and will get frustrated.
truth be told thats how the playoffs are anyway and probably a big reason Randle has struggled so much.
Brunson is going to find a way no matter what, Randle until he proves he can do it in the playoffs is just an unknown.
Overall if we're healthy we'll benefit though, Mitch and OG is a nightmare for an opposing team defensively.
I know he didn't play well, but I really wanted to see a lineup of Mitch, OG, Jhart, Grimes and Brunson. That lineup with their size and defense could have really locked teams down.
Read an article recently with some player saying “20 is the new 12,” in other words 20 point leads aren’t what they used to be - with 3 point shooting and rules favoring the offense a 20 point lead can vanish in a few minutes. Thibs wants to win - I honestly don’t begrudge anyone’s opinion on this but he isn’t dealing from madness.
GustavBahler wrote:fishmike wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Not sure what it says about the roster that Thibs has to keep playing Brunson till the end with double digit leads. Or what it says about Thibs. Josh Hart was half right when he joked that Thibs is "working through some past trauma". It borders on coaching scared.
says same thing about every NBA roster... if you think 12-15 points is somehow a safe lead you not gonna coach in this league very longMinutes police have chimed in Jalen's 38 were too many! Bad Thibs... no cookies today
whoo whooo whooo whooooo pullllll over!
Only coach in the league who has a rep for doing this, to the point where players are joking about it to the media. If Thibs cant trust his players to close a game wihout Brunson, then its on him, not the roster. At least give them a chance once in a while to see how they do.
Again no one else in the league coaches like this. Spoelstra and Pops are the two best coaches in the NBA, they've won many chips from taking the opposite approach. They run if not sprint from that dated philosophy. Cant teach players to close, if you dont give them the chance.
The bold is utter bullshit but yeah man stick to that... It's super important to you. Also great job by Scott Perry with this win
KnickDanger wrote:Read an article recently with some player saying “20 is the new 12,” in other words 20 point leads aren’t what they used to be - with 3 point shooting and rules favoring the offense a 20 point lead can vanish in a few minutes. Thibs wants to win - I honestly don’t begrudge anyone’s opinion on this but he isn’t dealing from madness.
that's clearly written by some pro-Thibs propaganda pushing fool. Gustav will dispel any myths you might have read and set you straight
When Jalen turns an ankle we know it's because of those 44 minutes he played vs. the Lakers in Feb
hopefully no setbacks for OG... he was not having fun out there. Scar tissue HURTS to work through.
fishmike wrote:GustavBahler wrote:fishmike wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Not sure what it says about the roster that Thibs has to keep playing Brunson till the end with double digit leads. Or what it says about Thibs. Josh Hart was half right when he joked that Thibs is "working through some past trauma". It borders on coaching scared.
says same thing about every NBA roster... if you think 12-15 points is somehow a safe lead you not gonna coach in this league very longMinutes police have chimed in Jalen's 38 were too many! Bad Thibs... no cookies today
whoo whooo whooo whooooo pullllll over!
Only coach in the league who has a rep for doing this, to the point where players are joking about it to the media. If Thibs cant trust his players to close a game wihout Brunson, then its on him, not the roster. At least give them a chance once in a while to see how they do.
Again no one else in the league coaches like this. Spoelstra and Pops are the two best coaches in the NBA, they've won many chips from taking the opposite approach. They run if not sprint from that dated philosophy. Cant teach players to close, if you dont give them the chance.
The bold is utter bullshit but yeah man stick to that... It's super important to you. Also great job by Scott Perry with this win
Damn fish.. try decaf. 
What other team has the media asking players about the coach, routinely keeping in the starters, in a blowout? Thibs has a rep for this.
If it translated to a chip' or deep playoff runs (plural) after 15 years in the league as a HC. If his peers didnt take the opposite approach to keeping players ready for the postseason. Id be a lot less skeptical.
GustavBahler wrote:fishmike wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Not sure what it says about the roster that Thibs has to keep playing Brunson till the end with double digit leads. Or what it says about Thibs. Josh Hart was half right when he joked that Thibs is "working through some past trauma". It borders on coaching scared.
says same thing about every NBA roster... if you think 12-15 points is somehow a safe lead you not gonna coach in this league very longMinutes police have chimed in Jalen's 38 were too many! Bad Thibs... no cookies today
whoo whooo whooo whooooo pullllll over!
Only coach in the league who has a rep for doing this, to the point where players are joking about it to the media. If Thibs cant trust his players to close a game wihout Brunson, then its on him, not the roster. At least give them a chance once in a while to see how they do.
Again no one else in the league coaches like this. Spoelstra and Pops are the two best coaches in the NBA, they've won many chips from taking the opposite approach. They run if not sprint from that dated philosophy. Cant teach players to close, if you dont give them the chance.
Are you suggesting that Pops and Spo voluntarily bench their stars down the stretch to let other guys try to win games? I'll take things that never happened for $500, Alex...
Knicks won by 12 points last night, nobody really empties the bench ever in a game under 15 points. Doesn't happen and you'll never see it. And there's pretty much zero benefit to pulling a player out for 90 seconds in a game like that.
Where Thibs is different is that even in 20-30 point blowouts he waits longer than most to pull starters. But no one is pulling starters in a 12-15 point game.
fishmike wrote:hopefully no setbacks for OG... he was not having fun out there. Scar tissue HURTS to work through.
Thibs and OG himself said no setbacks and it was expected pain from "rapid movement you cannot recreate in practice". Sounds like there isn't much risk of reinjury and it's just a pain tolerance thing. OG strikes me as someone who is very cautious in a huge contract year and I don't think he or we would be reckless with it.
the minutes thing is nonsense... you can nitpick here or there, but Thibs overall is simply not overplaying guys anymore.
Even with all the injuries and trades we've had, You won't find any knick in the top 10 in mpg. Heck Randle is the leader in MPG and he's 15th in the NBA at just over 35mpg which is extremely reasonable.
I think we only have 3 guys in the top 100 which is pretty crazy. 4 if you include OG but he doesn't qualify and most of his games were in TOR.
nycericanguy wrote:the minutes thing is nonsense... you can nitpick here or there, but Thibs overall is simply not overplaying guys anymore.Even with all the injuries and trades we've had, You won't find any knick in the top 10 in mpg. Heck Randle is the leader in MPG and he's 15th in the NBA at just over 35mpg which is extremely reasonable.
I think we only have 3 guys in the top 100 which is pretty crazy. 4 if you include OG but he doesn't qualify and most of his games were in TOR.
Right, even with the massive injuries
DLeethal wrote:GustavBahler wrote:fishmike wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Not sure what it says about the roster that Thibs has to keep playing Brunson till the end with double digit leads. Or what it says about Thibs. Josh Hart was half right when he joked that Thibs is "working through some past trauma". It borders on coaching scared.
says same thing about every NBA roster... if you think 12-15 points is somehow a safe lead you not gonna coach in this league very longMinutes police have chimed in Jalen's 38 were too many! Bad Thibs... no cookies today
whoo whooo whooo whooooo pullllll over!
Only coach in the league who has a rep for doing this, to the point where players are joking about it to the media. If Thibs cant trust his players to close a game wihout Brunson, then its on him, not the roster. At least give them a chance once in a while to see how they do.
Again no one else in the league coaches like this. Spoelstra and Pops are the two best coaches in the NBA, they've won many chips from taking the opposite approach. They run if not sprint from that dated philosophy. Cant teach players to close, if you dont give them the chance.
Are you suggesting that Pops and Spo voluntarily bench their stars down the stretch to let other guys try to win games? I'll take things that never happened for $500, Alex...
Knicks won by 12 points last night, nobody really empties the bench ever in a game under 15 points. Doesn't happen and you'll never see it. And there's pretty much zero benefit to pulling a player out for 90 seconds in a game like that.
Those coaches let their benches hold smaller leads. Brunson has been left in with leads closer to 20pts than 10. Thats what Im saying.
Other coaches try to make sure their players have something left for the playoffs. Thibs has a rep for this. The media, analysts, former players, didnt just decide to randomly pick on Thibs. Too defensive.
Let me get this straight. Knicks win. Knicks best player rings up 45.
Brunson played too much is that take away commentary?
You have lost your joy if you find yourself in that spot.
I take joy in talking about hoops, the good, the bad, and the ugly. I dont care about Brunson padding his stats in a regular season game, with the playoffs on the horizon.
I cant take joy in saying whatever I want about other posters and never getting called on it. Guess you have to meet a certain criteria to do that.
GustavBahler wrote:I take joy in talking about hoops, the good, the bad, and the ugly. I dont care about Brunson padding his stats in a regular season game, with the playoffs on the horizon. I cant take joy in saying whatever I want about other posters and never getting called on it. Guess you have to meet a certain criteria to do that.
Everyone can have an opinion, don't mean it's worthwhile or even meaningful and you have demonstrated that enough on this topic. We know this cause you get the same feedback on it every time you bring it up.
I'm tired of it quite frankly. I come here to enjoy Knicks discussion and this ain't it.
