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Nalod wrote:Not the best depiction of a player "stunted" but there is a lot of truth to it.
Kid played in Gleague last year and put up numbers.
Shows how hard it is to draft players out of college.
Perhaps he can sit at the end of the bench but in the "next man up" Thibian way he could get back on track and not be one trade roster spot from being waived. This might be his last chance.
With Rokas coming to "Try out" Culver will be a long shot. That and perhaps draft will yield players with more upside. He has to deliver right away.
Hope he makes it and defies. at 25 years old and not established its a tough road. He has made 18mil in his career so we can't feel too bad but one can still root for him to succed as a knick.
I remember him in college as being a rhythm player in college, but he was skinny and had subpar athleticism. If you're Luka or RJ, to a lesser extent, you can make up for a lack of explosion with strength and touch. Culver didn't have any of those things to fall back on. Maybe he was able to reinvent his game after a couple years?
Rookie wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:Nalod wrote:Rookie wrote:Is it time to revisit a Dejounte Murray trade if it would take mostly picks to get it done? His matching salary would be 25M in the 2024/25 season. I think we would realistically need to include Bogdanovic and let iHart walk which is likely happening anyway.INteresting move which I suppose moves DDV to the bench.
Basically your letting the starting center and your back up 4 go for Murray.
Im not against him per se but I have to figure OG is good for 65 or so games, and we need a back up 3 and 4.
Championship aspirations require depth. There is no cure for overcoming the injuries we experienced last year and contending.
We got slammed. If it happens again then its not meant to be.I'm not denying Murray isn't a talent. But I terms of fit, I Donte's high frequency three point shooting is a better fit for the roster that Murray's midrange mastery. We have enough evidence in Atlanta to show that a Murray/JB backcourt would be rough. Heck, there were rumors in San Antonio about a Murray/Derrick White rift.
It would be a luxury to have another ball handling guard who can score when teams are picking Brunson up full court and fouling the crap out of him. That’s where I’m coming from
Rook, relax, nobody slamming the idea.
DDV is not the guy? Deuce?
With three picks we might bring one in?
Rokas?
Culver perhaps?
need we condense with Murray at the expense of potential priorities?
A Murry/Brunson back court with Deuce/DDV is a great rotation. The frontcourt?
Rookie wrote:It would be a luxury to have another ball handling guard who can score when teams are picking Brunson up full court and fouling the crap out of him. That’s where I’m coming from
Someone like Derrick White would be perfect. I know... where do you find a guy like that? I think the team already has the pieces to let JB play off ball more, but the coaching staff needs to figure it out.
BigDaddyG wrote:Rookie wrote:It would be a luxury to have another ball handling guard who can score when teams are picking Brunson up full court and fouling the crap out of him. That’s where I’m coming fromSomeone like Derrick White would be perfect. I know... where do you find a guy like that? I think the team already has the pieces to let JB play off ball more, but the coaching staff needs to figure it out.
There isn’t anyone on the roster who can run the offense. There is that drop off when Brunson needs to rest. I was a no on Murray at the deadline but I am changing my mind on it. He ran that team successfully when Trae was injured. I could see him being 6th man first off the bench here around the 5 min mark and then running the offense when Brunson subs out. It would connect the 2 units and give them stability.
Rookie wrote:Is it time to revisit a Dejounte Murray trade if it would take mostly picks to get it done? His matching salary would be 25M in the 2024/25 season. I think we would realistically need to include Bogdanovic and let iHart walk which is likely happening anyway.
Teams in the Knicks position never do that. Ever. iHart does not walk if we trade for someone else with the Bogey contract. They just wouldn't trade Bogey if that were to instigate anything with iHart.
I don't know where that comes from but it's not the right take.
Rookie wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:Rookie wrote:It would be a luxury to have another ball handling guard who can score when teams are picking Brunson up full court and fouling the crap out of him. That’s where I’m coming fromSomeone like Derrick White would be perfect. I know... where do you find a guy like that? I think the team already has the pieces to let JB play off ball more, but the coaching staff needs to figure it out.
There isn’t anyone on the roster who can run the offense. There is that drop off when Brunson needs to rest. I was a no on Murray at the deadline but I am changing my mind on it. He ran that team successfully when Trae was injured. I could see him being 6th man first off the bench here around the 5 min mark and then running the offense when Brunson subs out. It would connect the 2 units and give them stability.
Atlanta tried to do the same thing with Murray and it didn't improve team success. The other thing to consider is if Klutch facilitates a deal for their clientbto be a 6th man. Not saying it couldn't happen, just that it's another thing to navigate in negotiations. I think McBride still has room to grow as a playmaker and I think both Harts have shown they can organize the second unit. It's not necessarily a "playmaker" they need, but am offensive creator. Someone like a younger Alec. Maybe Shake can get it going?
martin wrote:Rookie wrote:Is it time to revisit a Dejounte Murray trade if it would take mostly picks to get it done? His matching salary would be 25M in the 2024/25 season. I think we would realistically need to include Bogdanovic and let iHart walk which is likely happening anyway.Teams in the Knicks position never do that. Ever. iHart does not walk if we trade for someone else with the Bogey contract. They just wouldn't trade Bogey if that were to instigate anything with iHart.
I don't know where that comes from but it's not the right take.
iHart is probably going to get paid more somewhere else. Something we can't match. I know you get that part. The iHart thing isn't completely in our control. 99% of all NBA players are going to take the money. Will he do a 1 year deal with us? I dunno, but that is the work around. If he gets injured he could be screwed. No players agent is going to say 'you're happy? Hey I get it, don't take the money!'
If we keep iHart and re-sign Bogey then where are we with the new cap rules and how do they affect a Bogey trade? I don't know, but it is a factor in decision making. You have to account for all scenarios
BigDaddyG wrote:Rookie wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:Rookie wrote:It would be a luxury to have another ball handling guard who can score when teams are picking Brunson up full court and fouling the crap out of him. That’s where I’m coming fromSomeone like Derrick White would be perfect. I know... where do you find a guy like that? I think the team already has the pieces to let JB play off ball more, but the coaching staff needs to figure it out.
There isn’t anyone on the roster who can run the offense. There is that drop off when Brunson needs to rest. I was a no on Murray at the deadline but I am changing my mind on it. He ran that team successfully when Trae was injured. I could see him being 6th man first off the bench here around the 5 min mark and then running the offense when Brunson subs out. It would connect the 2 units and give them stability.
Atlanta tried to do the same thing with Murray and it didn't improve team success. The other thing to consider is if Klutch facilitates a deal for their clientbto be a 6th man. Not saying it couldn't happen, just that it's another thing to navigate in negotiations. I think McBride still has room to grow as a playmaker and I think both Harts have shown they can organize the second unit. It's not necessarily a "playmaker" they need, but am offensive creator. Someone like a younger Alec. Maybe Shake can get it going?
I know I'm trying to talk myself into Murray, but the sales pitch to get him to buy in is that they will be a contender with him buying into his role.
This team healthy kicks everyone's ass.
Step 1... get iHart to stay.
a guy that won't complain about being a 12th man, but if OG misses time, he can step in as that fierce defender, and on this team, I think he can get some open looks from 3 and hit them. Always felt he would be better on a high IQ contending team.
I see him being an upscale Swiss army knife who can play both with and without Brunson.
Our team lacks SKILL, we basically have 1 legit ball handler (1). We have 1 guy to get into the paint consistently (1).
Biggest issue is do Thibs and Murray see eye to eye --- if answer is yes go get him.
I don't care if he is starting and don't want to compare Knicks situation to either Trae Young or the Hawks.
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No rumblings about Johnny.
Took no imagination to figure he'd be mentioned or interviewed at some point.
Maybe they dangled his buddy if he signs? Maybe he said thats not fair to Johnny or himself to do that.
If DM don't want to be in Clev, he don't want to be there.
I don't see DM as a knick. But if they can swing him to BKN and he'd resign with primary piece being Mikal (Plus picks) then that starts to make sense.
"Starts" means they not making playoffs!!!!!
BigDaddyG wrote:Nalod wrote:Not the best depiction of a player "stunted" but there is a lot of truth to it.
Kid played in Gleague last year and put up numbers.
Shows how hard it is to draft players out of college.
Perhaps he can sit at the end of the bench but in the "next man up" Thibian way he could get back on track and not be one trade roster spot from being waived. This might be his last chance.
With Rokas coming to "Try out" Culver will be a long shot. That and perhaps draft will yield players with more upside. He has to deliver right away.
Hope he makes it and defies. at 25 years old and not established its a tough road. He has made 18mil in his career so we can't feel too bad but one can still root for him to succed as a knick.I remember him in college as being a rhythm player in college, but he was skinny and had subpar athleticism. If you're Luka or RJ, to a lesser extent, you can make up for a lack of explosion with strength and touch. Culver didn't have any of those things to fall back on. Maybe he was able to reinvent his game after a couple years?
I can see why Thibs might be intrigued.
Seems like a good kid and needs another chance. HOpe he can make good on it.
If so he is an asset. If not, no cost.
Rosas is only 46, impressive title resume. Was under Morey in Houston, Go the GM in Dallas but lasted only 3 months and went back to Rockets for 6 more years. "disagreement with management". Not sure if it was him or the shit show that was that front office. Eventually Cuban had to clean house.
Rosas first Latin American to be a NBA GM.
We know Rosas ascended to be president of Wolves until his passion for someone besides his wife derailed his career. Not cool, but not quite Isiah Thomas territory either. Those were some fucked up years in MSG.
Rosas is a talent and part of Leon's group.
BigDaddyG wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:Nalod wrote:Not the best depiction of a player "stunted" but there is a lot of truth to it.
Kid played in Gleague last year and put up numbers.
Shows how hard it is to draft players out of college.
Perhaps he can sit at the end of the bench but in the "next man up" Thibian way he could get back on track and not be one trade roster spot from being waived. This might be his last chance.
With Rokas coming to "Try out" Culver will be a long shot. That and perhaps draft will yield players with more upside. He has to deliver right away.
Hope he makes it and defies. at 25 years old and not established its a tough road. He has made 18mil in his career so we can't feel too bad but one can still root for him to succed as a knick.I remember him in college as being a rhythm player in college, but he was skinny and had subpar athleticism. If you're Luka or RJ, to a lesser extent, you can make up for a lack of explosion with strength and touch. Culver didn't have any of those things to fall back on. Maybe he was able to reinvent his game after a couple years?
I can see why Thibs might be intrigued.
I just want to see us add someone to the roster taller than 6’6”. Sometimes you need to match up size with size and that’s not a dick joke
Rookie wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:Nalod wrote:Not the best depiction of a player "stunted" but there is a lot of truth to it.
Kid played in Gleague last year and put up numbers.
Shows how hard it is to draft players out of college.
Perhaps he can sit at the end of the bench but in the "next man up" Thibian way he could get back on track and not be one trade roster spot from being waived. This might be his last chance.
With Rokas coming to "Try out" Culver will be a long shot. That and perhaps draft will yield players with more upside. He has to deliver right away.
Hope he makes it and defies. at 25 years old and not established its a tough road. He has made 18mil in his career so we can't feel too bad but one can still root for him to succed as a knick.I remember him in college as being a rhythm player in college, but he was skinny and had subpar athleticism. If you're Luka or RJ, to a lesser extent, you can make up for a lack of explosion with strength and touch. Culver didn't have any of those things to fall back on. Maybe he was able to reinvent his game after a couple years?
I can see why Thibs might be intrigued.
I just want to see us add someone to the roster taller than 6’6”. Sometimes you need to match up size with size and that’s not a dick joke
If you think in terms of wingspan instead of height we are actually pretty good. If the average wingspan to height comparison is about +2", most of our guys are +4" and up. Body size matters on the block, but wingspan matters pretty much everywhere else. Tyrannosaurus Brunson bringing up the rear.
Mitch 7'4 (+4)
Sims 7'3 (+5)
iHart 7'2 (+2)
OG 7'2 (+8!!!!)
Achiuwa 7'0 (+6)
Randle 6'11 (+3)
Bogs 6'11 (+4)
Burks 6'10 (+4)
jHart 6'9 (+5)
Deuce 6'8.75 (+7!!!!)
DDV 6'6 (+2)
Brunson 6'3.5 (+1.5)
EwingsGlass wrote:Rookie wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:Nalod wrote:Not the best depiction of a player "stunted" but there is a lot of truth to it.
Kid played in Gleague last year and put up numbers.
Shows how hard it is to draft players out of college.
Perhaps he can sit at the end of the bench but in the "next man up" Thibian way he could get back on track and not be one trade roster spot from being waived. This might be his last chance.
With Rokas coming to "Try out" Culver will be a long shot. That and perhaps draft will yield players with more upside. He has to deliver right away.
Hope he makes it and defies. at 25 years old and not established its a tough road. He has made 18mil in his career so we can't feel too bad but one can still root for him to succed as a knick.I remember him in college as being a rhythm player in college, but he was skinny and had subpar athleticism. If you're Luka or RJ, to a lesser extent, you can make up for a lack of explosion with strength and touch. Culver didn't have any of those things to fall back on. Maybe he was able to reinvent his game after a couple years?
I can see why Thibs might be intrigued.
I just want to see us add someone to the roster taller than 6’6”. Sometimes you need to match up size with size and that’s not a dick joke
If you think in terms of wingspan instead of height we are actually pretty good. If the average wingspan to height comparison is about +2", most of our guys are +4" and up. Body size matters on the block, but wingspan matters pretty much everywhere else. Tyrannosaurus Brunson bringing up the rear.
Mitch 7'4 (+4)
Sims 7'3 (+5)
iHart 7'2 (+2)
OG 7'2 (+8!!!!)
Achiuwa 7'0 (+6)
Randle 6'11 (+3)
Bogs 6'11 (+4)
Burks 6'10 (+4)
jHart 6'9 (+5)
Deuce 6'8.75 (+7!!!!)
DDV 6'6 (+2)
Brunson 6'3.5 (+1.5)
It's to bad head size isn't a metric, Brunson would lead the league! Heck if they called a foul every time Brunson got slapped in the head we'd lead the league in free throw attempts. Great info on wingspan.
Using the Indian series as an example, we didn't match up well against Siakam and Turner. Josh Hart and Achiewa could not do anything to match up against them and both are plus defenders. Granted this was without Randle and Robinson.
Sims for all his physical attributes does not defend well on the parameter.
when you go 3rd string your right, we don't match up well with a mostly healthy team.
Rookie wrote:martin wrote:Rookie wrote:Is it time to revisit a Dejounte Murray trade if it would take mostly picks to get it done? His matching salary would be 25M in the 2024/25 season. I think we would realistically need to include Bogdanovic and let iHart walk which is likely happening anyway.Teams in the Knicks position never do that. Ever. iHart does not walk if we trade for someone else with the Bogey contract. They just wouldn't trade Bogey if that were to instigate anything with iHart.
I don't know where that comes from but it's not the right take.
iHart is probably going to get paid more somewhere else. Something we can't match. I know you get that part. The iHart thing isn't completely in our control. 99% of all NBA players are going to take the money. Will he do a 1 year deal with us? I dunno, but that is the work around. If he gets injured he could be screwed. No players agent is going to say 'you're happy? Hey I get it, don't take the money!'
If we keep iHart and re-sign Bogey then where are we with the new cap rules and how do they affect a Bogey trade? I don't know, but it is a factor in decision making. You have to account for all scenarios
iHart can do a 1 year opt out/opt in or be content to move his Instagram LA wife from NYC to OKC to be a majorly overpaid backup up Chet for 2 years. Backup. Chet played 30mpg.
Or he and Mitch can chillax and do fart jokes for 1 more year and stay in the family of the team that developed him and made him a starter. I personally think the Knicks will feature iHart in the offense for Knicks at top of key ala Noah. He’ll be 5th option on offense level involved at OKC.
iHart will need to rely on a bit of a promise for 1 more year or really get to know Crypto?
His choice.