Knicks · Minutes Police Argument (page 1)

NYStateOfMind @ 5/25/2024 8:27 PM
I am neither 100% pro or anti the argument. Here are my thoughts on playing big minutes:

Any minute you are on the court there is a chance of injury, therefore if you are on the floor more often, the higher the chance of injury. Also, fatigue catches up to you, regardless on if you cut back in practice. Just how the human body works. Injuries and fatigue both stung our Knicks. Fatigue can lead to injury and dumb mistakes, sometimes both.

Logic states if you play more often, the higher the risk for fatigue and injury, plus it usually shortens careers. In a perfect world next season, this team is deep and talented enough to run 8 or 9 deep for the playoffs, and no one averages over 35-38 minutes a game. Certain games will dictate otherwise and a coach does what is needed to win. Thibs abused this at times, but often he did the best he could in his mind with what he had left. Was the short-term risk, worth the long-term end results? I am not sure. But, it did put the Knicks at an advantage even short of talent to compete with anyone.

Some fluke injuries (though one might say Randle shouldn't have been in the game when he got hurt), and injuries led on by possible fatigue and overuse, might have shortened this season. Others might argue if they weren't in peak condition, they wouldn't have gotten the 2nd seed and maybe don't make the 2nd round with a potentially bad match-up. From ownership, execs, coach, & players, I'll take what we got this season and smile. This season brought some frustration and heartache, but more so filled my heart with a lot joy & pride. I looked forward to each game than I have in a long time, even when it looked bleak like Game 7. Before that game, we didn't know if OG or Hart would play.

Fatigue and arguing uncalled and-1s might be one reason why JB & JR rarely hustle back on D leading to transition quick opponent points. But, some also deal with the extra minutes by cutting back effort in other areas (makes you appreciate J Hart & Deuce even more). In the end for me, this was a very successful season, one to be proud of. One of the best I've experienced in the last 40 years. The future is bright. Let's go Knicks. Go NY Go NY Go!

These are my opinions, feel free to disagree.

blkexec @ 5/26/2024 7:09 AM
All I got to say is, if they didn’t know Thibs then, they know now. Better get ready in the off season for a marathon…

Remember when Jules turned his body into a machine in the off season and was a bonefide all star. He knew what to expect.

Players want to play. Young stars want to play even more and rarely want to sit. So do like lebron. Spend some money on that body to handle the heavy minutes cause one thing is guaranteed. Thibs will be Thibs!

Chandler @ 5/26/2024 8:56 AM
One of the predicates to the argument is the amount of fatigue

We know from exercise science that exercise makes you stronger (Not weaker) depending on the amount of stimulus and proper recovery. So minutes are only part of the equation

And we also know that the stronger you get the more volume you need to get stronger still (Not intensity). When your body has supercompensated to whatever level of volume (e.g., 3 sets of 6 reps) you need to up the volume (e.g., 4 sets of 6). Upping the intensity is not so good (e.g., goin form RPE 8 to RPR 9 or o.5) might provide marginally better training benefit but the amount of recovery needed from that workout drastically increases and turns into s net negative because you can’t effectively train as often

So if i were in charge i wouldn’t be hypnotized by the minutes. I’d be looking at the players and making sure they’re not getting wiped out. If they are you need to cut back; if they’re not you can play the more

All that said, i agree more minutes on floor remains a risk — regardless of fatigue. More time for someone to undercut you, push you in back, hit you in your eye etc. but that’s a different issue i think

nycericanguy @ 5/26/2024 9:03 AM
So many old narratives with Thibs that just aren't true anymore.

Josh Hart was 2nd in MPG in playoffs at 42.2, Brunson was 16th at 39.8. No other Knick was even in top 30. And Hart only played 30mpg last years playoffs when we had Randle and RJ... this was strictly b/c of injuries.

39.8mpg for Brunson is not wild, there are many much older stars that played more.

KD = 42, Luca 42, AD, 41.6, Lebron 40.8, Embiid 41.3... I mean you could go on and on.

Regular season you won't find a single Knick in top 10mpg, Brunson was 14th at a very reasonable 35.4. Knicks only had 3 players in the top 100 in MPG.

And this is despite all the injuries that most teams didn't have to deal with to the extent we did.

Obviously in the playoffs things got really bad, but Thibs is essentially penalized because we kept winning. most teams would have been long eliminated with all the injuries we had.

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