Rookie wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Rookie wrote:Clean wrote:I am slowly learning more about recent WNBA history. Apparently something similar happened to Sabrina Ionescu. Vets thought she got too much attention and sponsors. They were extra physical and face guarded her fullcourt with doubles teams anytime she got near another player. It did not stop until they signed Breanna Stewart, Jonquel Jones and Courtney Vandersloot. So don't let the WNBA media gaslight you into thinking the players are not jealous. The Fever just needs to sign some actual talent so they can't get away with it anymore. Getting an enforcer would not hurt either. Jonquel Jones counted as both an enforcer and a really good player for Sabrina. That is probably why she was so nice in her postgame comments about Clark. She knows exactly what she is going through.
Good post. It’s probably just a coincidence that Sabrina Ionescu is white and straight and another number 1 draft pick who came into the league with lucrative sponsor deals.
https://www.espn.com/wnba/story/_/id/187...
The question is Rookie. Do you make this thread if it was Candice Wiggins and not Caitlin Clark?
I have never heard of Candice Wiggins and I bet neither have you. The spotlight is on the WNBA. This probably isn’t the last story that will come out. If Candice and Caitlin switched places and this was happening to Candice today, right now and it had the media attention that the Caitlin story is getting your damn right I would start a thread about it. They need to clean this shit up and it needs everyone’s attention. Where there is smoke there is fire. Something isn’t right and everyone is watching now.
I think the better question is- why haven’t you started a thread about it? This isn’t the first thread I’ve started about the WNBA and it’s crickets, silence. No one cares but it’s getting harder to ignore this league. Unfortunately the games are excruciatingly boring, but Caitlin Clark has become must watch TV. Attendance is going crazy. TV ratings are off the charts and everyone is getting into the drama. I don’t know how long it will last since Clark’s team is pretty bad. They aren’t going to win a lot of games and they aren’t making the playoffs. People will likely start to lose interest. I do however think a lot of young girls will be inspired to hoop.
I don't follow the WNBA like that. So I wouldn't make a thread on Candice Wiggins or Caitlin Clark. Maybe a comment if someone did something extraordinary. This storyline does intrigue me though as it does most. Which is why its getting the buzz it has. Which is good for the league. Given the narrative you created this thread for though. I decided to google search any history of rookies or players in general getting bullied in the WNBA. Wanted to see what the history has been and what tracks for players getting bullied. Was very interested in seeing how Candace Parker was treated since I remember her having much much acclaim entering the league from Tennessee. Which is why I stumbled on this Candace Wiggins article on ESPN.
Also interesting is that Cameron Brink the #2 pick is also a straight white woman. Steph Curry's god daughter I believe. Haven't heard any issues about her so far in the league. May arguably be having the better rookie season so far than Clark & Reese. Don't know what any of that means in the grand scheme just an interesting dynamic.
A large part of Clark's fame and popularity is due to her being white. White people take up the majority of the population. Having high level player they can relate to will always generate more buzz. On the opposite side of that fame comes with jealousy and a target on ones back. As much as one can complain about the jealousy. Another can complain about the automatic advantage one would have by having an easier path to attracting a majority of the population by just being relatable.
Caitlin Clark will make more money and be more famous than anyone else in the league as long as she stays healthy (knock on wood)when its all said an done.
In terms of pure basketball. Clark doesn't have a filled out frame and is a long distance shooter. Roughing her up is probably the best bet to attempt to throw her off her game if your trying to win. League will if they are smart adjust rules to allow her to do her thing. Her having WNBA version of Steph Curry type seasons will generate way more money than anything else. Right now shouldn't be about competition, but growing the league/brand.
I think the Jealousy angle is very real. What made me look into more is all the Female WNBA "experts" who are saying its not the case when something is clearly different. I mean look at that girl who was shooting freethrows and she was more concerned with making sure she picked up CC fullcourt than remembering she had another free throw. That is not normal.
Before I even learned about Sabrina I was asking myself why is CC being guarded harder than the former WNBA MVP A'ja Wilson, who should have been MVP last season. Does the WNBA competitiveness not transfer to stopping the best player in the league? CC is not even close to being the best 3pt shooter. Why are they not guarding the better shooters the same way? The ESPN talking heads lack the critical thinking skills to notice all the differences unless its as obvious as the blindside cheapshot. That is why the "WNBA experts" can push this narrative so easily.
Clean wrote:I think the Jealousy angle is very real. What made me look into more is all the Female WNBA "experts" who are saying its not the case when something is clearly different. I mean look at that girl who was shooting freethrows and she was more concerned with making sure she picked up CC fullcourt than remembering she had another free throw. That is not normal. Before I even learned about Sabrina I was asking myself why is CC being guarded harder than the former WNBA MVP A'ja Wilson, who should have been MVP last season. Does the WNBA competitiveness not transfer to stopping the best player in the league? CC is not even close to being the best 3pt shooter. Why are they not guarding the better shooters the same way? The ESPN talking heads lack the critical thinking skills to notice all the differences unless its as obvious as the blindside cheapshot. That is why the "WNBA experts" can push this narrative so easily.
They are def targeting Caitlin. But A'ja Wilson is a 6'4 center. They have 2 other scorers on the team that can make you pay. And they are back to back champions. Physically & competitively its probably not advantageous to attempt to rough Wilson as it is Clark.
Not really a good comparison.
newyorknewyork wrote:Clean wrote:I think the Jealousy angle is very real. What made me look into more is all the Female WNBA "experts" who are saying its not the case when something is clearly different. I mean look at that girl who was shooting freethrows and she was more concerned with making sure she picked up CC fullcourt than remembering she had another free throw. That is not normal. Before I even learned about Sabrina I was asking myself why is CC being guarded harder than the former WNBA MVP A'ja Wilson, who should have been MVP last season. Does the WNBA competitiveness not transfer to stopping the best player in the league? CC is not even close to being the best 3pt shooter. Why are they not guarding the better shooters the same way? The ESPN talking heads lack the critical thinking skills to notice all the differences unless its as obvious as the blindside cheapshot. That is why the "WNBA experts" can push this narrative so easily.
They are def targeting Caitlin. But A'ja Wilson is a 6'4 center. They have 2 other scorers on the team that can make you pay. And they are back to back champions. Physically & competitively its probably not advantageous to attempt to rough Wilson as it is Clark.
Not really a good comparison.
I said guard "harder" not the same. I never said to guard A'ja like she was CC or to try and rough her up like they do CC. They are different players with different skillsets so that is obvious. I added the 3pt shooter line directly after the A'ja part for a more direct comparison.
When talking about A'ja I am talking about scheming to get the ball out of her hands. Unless there is another player on her team that should have been a 3 time MVP you should be taking your chances with them beating you. A'ja already proved she can do it. The Aces are a great team but there are players you can double off of. I doubt Kate Martin or Alysha Clark are going to score enough to beat a team too often and the both gets a good amount of minutes. Keep Plum and Jackie Young near their season averages and live with the results. Things change a bit if/when Chelsea Gray comes back. Her passing is elite but she is not even close to returning yet.
Clean wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Clean wrote:I think the Jealousy angle is very real. What made me look into more is all the Female WNBA "experts" who are saying its not the case when something is clearly different. I mean look at that girl who was shooting freethrows and she was more concerned with making sure she picked up CC fullcourt than remembering she had another free throw. That is not normal. Before I even learned about Sabrina I was asking myself why is CC being guarded harder than the former WNBA MVP A'ja Wilson, who should have been MVP last season. Does the WNBA competitiveness not transfer to stopping the best player in the league? CC is not even close to being the best 3pt shooter. Why are they not guarding the better shooters the same way? The ESPN talking heads lack the critical thinking skills to notice all the differences unless its as obvious as the blindside cheapshot. That is why the "WNBA experts" can push this narrative so easily.
They are def targeting Caitlin. But A'ja Wilson is a 6'4 center. They have 2 other scorers on the team that can make you pay. And they are back to back champions. Physically & competitively its probably not advantageous to attempt to rough Wilson as it is Clark.
Not really a good comparison.
I said guard "harder" not the same. I never said to guard A'ja like she was CC or to try and rough her up like they do CC. They are different players with different skillsets so that is obvious. I added the 3pt shooter line directly after the A'ja part for a more direct comparison.
When talking about A'ja I am talking about scheming to get the ball out of her hands. Unless there is another player on her team that should have been a 3 time MVP you should be taking your chances with them beating you. A'ja already proved she can do it. The Aces are a great team but there are players you can double off of. I doubt Kate Martin or Alysha Clark are going to score enough to beat a team too often and the both gets a good amount of minutes. Keep Plum and Jackie Young near their season averages and live with the results. Things change a bit if/when Chelsea Gray comes back. Her passing is elite but she is not even close to returning yet.
You seem to watch more WNBA than I do. But on the outside looking in. Plum and Young average about 39pts, 13ast per game. They combine for 50% usage so far this season. They seem to be capable of creating enough offense for themselves and teammates that u can't put the necessary amount of focus on Wilson.
About 12 players are averaging 18ppg or more this season and LVA has 3 of them. The 2nd, 6th & 10th leading scorers
About 13 players are averaging 5ast per game or more this season and LVA has 2 of them. 2nd & 7th.
This is what I am talking about. I understand the team is stacked but this is how they are defending the best player in the league. This is crazy to me.
Btw I am no expert about the WNBA. I just follow/watch teams that interest me for different reasons. So that is the Liberty, Aces, Fever(because of CC) and to a lesser extent the Sparks(because of Brink and Rickea) and Sky(because of Reese, Mabrey and Kamilla). I know next to nothing about the other teams outside of a few of their stars.
She is getting doubled more than any other team. Crazy
This is what you get when you play the MVP single coverage.
Its a shame that in about 3-4 years. After Caitlin is probably solidified as the face and star of the league. We miss out on Gigi and Kobe then entering the league RIP.
Caitlin with a monster game. So many factors into her having a much better p[erformance. She actually got some days off. She is playing the worst team in the league. Her team hit a lot more open layups and the coach ran a lot more offball screens tonight.
A sample of the offball screens she was getting tonight. Capped off with a clear moving screen that they will never call. The coach is still not greart but she is improving.
Who said Catlin is straight ?
I didn’t even know I had Ion on cable but there it was the whole time hiding in plain sight. I caught the last 5 minutes of the game. The basketball is pretty bad. There are some players that are very good I guess but overall it’s just really bad basketball. I’d like to see the Liberty play the Aces. That might change my mind.
Alpha1971 wrote:Who said Catlin is straight ?
Her boyfriend?
Rookie wrote:I didn’t even know I had Ion on cable but there it was the whole time hiding in plain sight. I caught the last 5 minutes of the game. The basketball is pretty bad. There are some players that are very good I guess but overall it’s just really bad basketball. I’d like to see the Liberty play the Aces. That might change my mind.
Like most sports, some games are better than others.
Alpha1971 wrote:Who said Catlin is straight ?
It does not matter in the grand scheme of things but Caitlin and Kate Martin are stright. Paige Bueckers is Gay but I don't think she has officially came out yet.
Rookie wrote:I didn’t even know I had Ion on cable but there it was the whole time hiding in plain sight. I caught the last 5 minutes of the game. The basketball is pretty bad. There are some players that are very good I guess but overall it’s just really bad basketball. I’d like to see the Liberty play the Aces. That might change my mind.
Yea, both of them are the worst teams in the WNBA. Coached by some of the worst coaches. Fever was the worst team last season and would be in the mix for it again this season if not for Caitlin. WAS is this seasons worst team.
Clean wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:Who said Catlin is straight ?
It does not matter in the grand scheme of things but Caitlin and Kate Martin are stright. Paige Bueckers is Gay but I don't think she has officially came out yet.
Not that it matters and I'm asking for a friend anyway, but Nika Muhl is straight, right?
