Knicks · Knicks iHart watch and next moves? update: OKC offers $87M for 3 years (page 7)
martin wrote:KnickDanger wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:martin wrote:These are the teams that can compete for iHart.76ers, Detroit, Utah, Hornets all seem like absolute no-go's?
I don't see Spurs using cap space on a guy that'll contribute to too much winning, I think they are tanking for 1 more year.
OKC, Orlando.
Orlando has Suggs, Banchero, Franz, Black. iHart would go there for the $ cause that team is not nearly good enough.
OKC will offer $ and a weird fit but a winning team.
https://www.twitter.com/YossiGozlan/stat...
My sense is that this board is possibly over-pricing iHart. Love him and want him here. I enjoy the chemistry. But he is entirely replaceable at price. I cannot think of a reason why Drummond plays for the vet minimum while iHart is seeking 16m. I would reward him for being here, but there is reasonableness in keeping him in the 10-12m range and maxing at 14m. Could he become Jokic? Probably not. Awesome teammate and I love him. I am more hoping to S&T at 16mm to another squad to pick up the TPE than to actually keep him at 16m. OG took that money already. Hell, at this point if we can S&T Hartenstein and trade Robinson for
Assets, I am happy to pick up Drummond and Bitadze RJ fill that floor space. Use the spare money on other vets like Batum. You can fill 90% of that slots’ production at 30% of the cost. Unfortunate, but true.I agree with you. We’ve been attached to IHart but there is a price point where the team is better served looking elsewhere.
Please help me understand the players you think can replace iHart at the $5m mark the Knicks can use? I am interested.
That player needs to come close to help facilitate making the other players on team better on the offensive side of things while being good defensively. Who are they?
Drummond has shown repeatedly that he is a nothing burger on multiple teams. Ziltch. In fact, Drummond is so poor I can’t even recall the last team he has had an impact on.
Feel some are placing too much emphasis on IHart but more specifically, having TWO top tier expensive centers. Fact is we just added another player that can guard multiple positions.
Believe there is a possibility the FO and Thibs may like the idea of small ball with Randle at the 5. Making the signing of another 5 just insurance for injuries. MR is still the starter. Overpaying for a backup seems like an overreach. Think keeping only one of MR or IHart is the right move.
HofstraBBall wrote:martin wrote:KnickDanger wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:martin wrote:These are the teams that can compete for iHart.76ers, Detroit, Utah, Hornets all seem like absolute no-go's?
I don't see Spurs using cap space on a guy that'll contribute to too much winning, I think they are tanking for 1 more year.
OKC, Orlando.
Orlando has Suggs, Banchero, Franz, Black. iHart would go there for the $ cause that team is not nearly good enough.
OKC will offer $ and a weird fit but a winning team.
https://www.twitter.com/YossiGozlan/stat...
My sense is that this board is possibly over-pricing iHart. Love him and want him here. I enjoy the chemistry. But he is entirely replaceable at price. I cannot think of a reason why Drummond plays for the vet minimum while iHart is seeking 16m. I would reward him for being here, but there is reasonableness in keeping him in the 10-12m range and maxing at 14m. Could he become Jokic? Probably not. Awesome teammate and I love him. I am more hoping to S&T at 16mm to another squad to pick up the TPE than to actually keep him at 16m. OG took that money already. Hell, at this point if we can S&T Hartenstein and trade Robinson for
Assets, I am happy to pick up Drummond and Bitadze RJ fill that floor space. Use the spare money on other vets like Batum. You can fill 90% of that slots’ production at 30% of the cost. Unfortunate, but true.I agree with you. We’ve been attached to IHart but there is a price point where the team is better served looking elsewhere.
Please help me understand the players you think can replace iHart at the $5m mark the Knicks can use? I am interested.
That player needs to come close to help facilitate making the other players on team better on the offensive side of things while being good defensively. Who are they?
Drummond has shown repeatedly that he is a nothing burger on multiple teams. Ziltch. In fact, Drummond is so poor I can’t even recall the last team he has had an impact on.
Feel some are placing too much emphasis on IHart but more specifically, having TWO top tier expensive centers. Fact is we just added another player that can guard multiple positions.
Believe there is a possibility the FO and Thibs may like the idea of small ball with Randle at the 5. Making the signing of another 5 just insurance for injuries. MR is still the starter. Overpaying for a backup seems like an overreach. Think keeping only one of MR or IHart is the right move.
I don’t pretend to have the scouting reports or even a decent knowledge of who might be available to replace IHart. And I sure don’t want to lose him. But I do think the Knicks philosophy has been prudent and effective in the Rose regime - mostly - and that certainly includes their “chess” moves when it comes to the cap and all things payroll.
Someone used the “running back” analogy from the NFL - like center in the NBA it was once the premier position but now you fill it with later draft picks and lower salaries. Putting your chips on a Saquon Barkley for instance is no longer a cost effective way to structure your team. That money is better used elsewhere. Ultimately I am saying I have faith in the FO to do what they think is best. Of course there is never a guarantee.
jaydh wrote:MaTT4281 wrote:SergioNYK wrote:If Hartenstein leaves, we'll find a good replacement. Not even worried about it. Thibs and this coaching staff makes players better.iHart stepped up big time, and desperately want him back...but I feel like every summer we start forgetting/downplaying Mitch's impact at C.
I think that's due to a lack of reliability and a lack of an offensive game. iHart is unique, you prioritize and pay unique.
Since when is a Center with no offensive game unique?
Rookie wrote:jaydh wrote:MaTT4281 wrote:SergioNYK wrote:If Hartenstein leaves, we'll find a good replacement. Not even worried about it. Thibs and this coaching staff makes players better.iHart stepped up big time, and desperately want him back...but I feel like every summer we start forgetting/downplaying Mitch's impact at C.
I think that's due to a lack of reliability and a lack of an offensive game. iHart is unique, you prioritize and pay unique.
Since when is a Center with no offensive game unique?
How many centers can also be a secondary playmaker? How about doing that while also being good at rebounding and defense? How many of those would we be able to afford? For some reason you are focused on one aspect of the game.
Clean wrote:Rookie wrote:jaydh wrote:MaTT4281 wrote:SergioNYK wrote:If Hartenstein leaves, we'll find a good replacement. Not even worried about it. Thibs and this coaching staff makes players better.iHart stepped up big time, and desperately want him back...but I feel like every summer we start forgetting/downplaying Mitch's impact at C.
I think that's due to a lack of reliability and a lack of an offensive game. iHart is unique, you prioritize and pay unique.
Since when is a Center with no offensive game unique?
How many centers can also be a secondary playmaker? How about doing that while also being good at rebounding and defense? How many of those would we be able to afford? For some reason you are focused on one aspect of the game.
Don't forget the automatic floater. That shit's money.
ToddTT wrote:Clean wrote:Rookie wrote:jaydh wrote:MaTT4281 wrote:SergioNYK wrote:If Hartenstein leaves, we'll find a good replacement. Not even worried about it. Thibs and this coaching staff makes players better.iHart stepped up big time, and desperately want him back...but I feel like every summer we start forgetting/downplaying Mitch's impact at C.
I think that's due to a lack of reliability and a lack of an offensive game. iHart is unique, you prioritize and pay unique.
Since when is a Center with no offensive game unique?
How many centers can also be a secondary playmaker? How about doing that while also being good at rebounding and defense? How many of those would we be able to afford? For some reason you are focused on one aspect of the game.
Don't forget the automatic floater. That shit's money.
But how much money, that is the question. BTW my previous comment was an attempt at humor. I even used an emoji to emphasise a sarcastic witticism