Knicks · OT: Trump injured at rally (page 2)

newyorknewyork wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

TheGame wrote:I say it was staged. Why did the secret service allow Trump to stand up and pump his fist for 10 seconds after the shooting. He literally was standing as a sitting target for 10-15 seconds while he fist pumped the crowd. That was staged. Otherwise, how does that happen?

Gross incompetence

Its not adding up with the info we have right now. One person planned this attack? How did he know the layout and where secret service would be lax? Why would secret service be lax toward a rooftop location with clear straight line sight for a sniper? There is no way he was a pro. This random guy had the balls to and was able to pull off getting shots at Trump? By randomly deciding to go for it, lugging around a rifle? While simultaneously secret service was being lax towards one of the best possible locations for a sniper to get a shot off at given the area?

Let the conspiracy theories begin.

foosballnick wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

TheGame wrote:I say it was staged. Why did the secret service allow Trump to stand up and pump his fist for 10 seconds after the shooting. He literally was standing as a sitting target for 10-15 seconds while he fist pumped the crowd. That was staged. Otherwise, how does that happen?

Gross incompetence

Its not adding up with the info we have right now. One person planned this attack? How did he know the layout and where secret service would be lax? Why would secret service be lax toward a rooftop location with clear straight line sight for a sniper? There is no way he was a pro. This random guy had the balls to and was able to pull off getting shots at Trump? By randomly deciding to go for it, lugging around a rifle? While simultaneously secret service was being lax towards one of the best possible locations for a sniper to get a shot off at given the area?

Let the conspiracy theories begin.

Not full conspiracy mode yet. It just doesn't add up based on the info we have currently.

martin wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:I get that this message board leans left. I lean left.

Can we please edit this thread title because “Trump injured at rally” just makes everything on this board seem like fabricated news

We need to move on very quickly on from a singular understanding for thread title that may have been the best info of a situation at that particular time. I clearly don’t have any idea what the rest of your post is about.

As the thread author that was factual at the time. I did take some thought as to what I posted. It wasn't clear that he had been shot or if he was injured by something else. Besides that, what is erroneous or hyperbolic in the thread title. It was and still is factually correct.

Trump will never stop talking about it and implying what ever suites his narrative.

newyorknewyork wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

TheGame wrote:I say it was staged. Why did the secret service allow Trump to stand up and pump his fist for 10 seconds after the shooting. He literally was standing as a sitting target for 10-15 seconds while he fist pumped the crowd. That was staged. Otherwise, how does that happen?

Gross incompetence

Its not adding up with the info we have right now. One person planned this attack? How did he know the layout and where secret service would be lax? Why would secret service be lax toward a rooftop location with clear straight line sight for a sniper? There is no way he was a pro. This random guy had the balls to and was able to pull off getting shots at Trump? By randomly deciding to go for it, lugging around a rifle? While simultaneously secret service was being lax towards one of the best possible locations for a sniper to get a shot off at given the area?

Let the conspiracy theories begin.

Not full conspiracy mode yet. It just doesn't add up based on the info we have currently.

I tend to hold off until more details roll in. However even with details, conspiracy theorists will run with alternate narratives generally based on pre-conceived hypothesis to match their own confirmation biases.

In this case one would have to take into account factors such as the location of the shooter, his background, his expertise in handling & shooting rifles from a distance, the location of the rally and how the SS handled (or didn't handle) similar locations for Trump rallies in the past.

foosballnick wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

TheGame wrote:I say it was staged. Why did the secret service allow Trump to stand up and pump his fist for 10 seconds after the shooting. He literally was standing as a sitting target for 10-15 seconds while he fist pumped the crowd. That was staged. Otherwise, how does that happen?

Gross incompetence

Its not adding up with the info we have right now. One person planned this attack? How did he know the layout and where secret service would be lax? Why would secret service be lax toward a rooftop location with clear straight line sight for a sniper? There is no way he was a pro. This random guy had the balls to and was able to pull off getting shots at Trump? By randomly deciding to go for it, lugging around a rifle? While simultaneously secret service was being lax towards one of the best possible locations for a sniper to get a shot off at given the area?

Let the conspiracy theories begin.

Not full conspiracy mode yet. It just doesn't add up based on the info we have currently.

I tend to hold off until more details roll in. However even with details, conspiracy theorists will run with alternate narratives generally based on pre-conceived hypothesis to match their own confirmation biases.

In this case one would have to take into account factors such as the location of the shooter, his background, his expertise in handling & shooting rifles from a distance, the location of the rally and how the SS handled (or didn't handle) similar locations for Trump rallies in the past.

Well my initial reply was questions that I would of liked to be answered as more information came out to understand how this could have been able to happen. If the answers added up, then that's what it is. If they didn't then there would be more questions.

So far we got that he was a 20 year old republican gun enthusiast from PA.

The 400 ft distance he was able to get his shot off is said to be considered outside of SS perimeter. So this answers some questions.

foosballnick wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

TheGame wrote:I say it was staged. Why did the secret service allow Trump to stand up and pump his fist for 10 seconds after the shooting. He literally was standing as a sitting target for 10-15 seconds while he fist pumped the crowd. That was staged. Otherwise, how does that happen?

Gross incompetence

Its not adding up with the info we have right now. One person planned this attack? How did he know the layout and where secret service would be lax? Why would secret service be lax toward a rooftop location with clear straight line sight for a sniper? There is no way he was a pro. This random guy had the balls to and was able to pull off getting shots at Trump? By randomly deciding to go for it, lugging around a rifle? While simultaneously secret service was being lax towards one of the best possible locations for a sniper to get a shot off at given the area?

Let the conspiracy theories begin.

Not full conspiracy mode yet. It just doesn't add up based on the info we have currently.

I tend to hold off until more details roll in. However even with details, conspiracy theorists will run with alternate narratives generally based on pre-conceived hypothesis to match their own confirmation biases.

In this case one would have to take into account factors such as the location of the shooter, his background, his expertise in handling & shooting rifles from a distance, the location of the rally and how the SS handled (or didn't handle) similar locations for Trump rallies in the past.

150 yards is pretty pedestrian for any shooting range jockey with an AR-15 and a scope.

After reading more about the incident, I no longer think it could have been staged. I am said to hear that another man, besides the shooter, lost his life.

TheGame wrote:After reading more about the incident, I no longer think it could have been staged. I am said to hear that another man, besides the shooter, lost his life.

. Anybody who thinks it was staged is either brainwashed or just not being objective. Pretty early in it was announced an innocent man in the crowd was killed and shot in the head. plus two others were critically wounded. That was soon after it happened so can’t stage that. If the situation was reversed I would also feel the same way even if it’s not the man I support. Human life is worth more especially American life

MaddogSharp wrote:

TheGame wrote:After reading more about the incident, I no longer think it could have been staged. I am said to hear that another man, besides the shooter, lost his life.

. Anybody who thinks it was staged is either brainwashed or just not being objective. Pretty early in it was announced an innocent man in the crowd was killed and shot in the head. plus two others were critically wounded. That was soon after it happened so can’t stage that. If the situation was reversed I would also feel the same way even if it’s not the man I support. Human life is worth more especially American life

That is your opinion. I am neither brainwashed nor non-objective. I just would not take anything that happens with Trump at face value because Trump constantly creates drama and is constantly running cons. But as I stated, after reviewing the facts, it would appear highly unlikely that the shooting was staged.

TheGame wrote:

MaddogSharp wrote:

TheGame wrote:After reading more about the incident, I no longer think it could have been staged. I am said to hear that another man, besides the shooter, lost his life.

. Anybody who thinks it was staged is either brainwashed or just not being objective. Pretty early in it was announced an innocent man in the crowd was killed and shot in the head. plus two others were critically wounded. That was soon after it happened so can’t stage that. If the situation was reversed I would also feel the same way even if it’s not the man I support. Human life is worth more especially American life

That is your opinion. I am neither brainwashed nor non-objective. I just would not take anything that happens with Trump at face value because Trump constantly creates drama and is constantly running cons. But as I stated, after reviewing the facts, it would appear highly unlikely that the shooting was staged.

. I guess my point is it’s pretty impossible to stage somebody getting murdered and couple others getting seriously injured on live tv.

MaddogSharp wrote:

TheGame wrote:After reading more about the incident, I no longer think it could have been staged. I am said to hear that another man, besides the shooter, lost his life.

. Anybody who thinks it was staged is either brainwashed or just not being objective. Pretty early in it was announced an innocent man in the crowd was killed and shot in the head. plus two others were critically wounded. That was soon after it happened so can’t stage that. If the situation was reversed I would also feel the same way even if it’s not the man I support. Human life is worth more especially American life

Is there a scale to which an American is worth more?

MaddogSharp wrote:

TheGame wrote:

MaddogSharp wrote:

TheGame wrote:After reading more about the incident, I no longer think it could have been staged. I am said to hear that another man, besides the shooter, lost his life.

. Anybody who thinks it was staged is either brainwashed or just not being objective. Pretty early in it was announced an innocent man in the crowd was killed and shot in the head. plus two others were critically wounded. That was soon after it happened so can’t stage that. If the situation was reversed I would also feel the same way even if it’s not the man I support. Human life is worth more especially American life

That is your opinion. I am neither brainwashed nor non-objective. I just would not take anything that happens with Trump at face value because Trump constantly creates drama and is constantly running cons. But as I stated, after reviewing the facts, it would appear highly unlikely that the shooting was staged.

. I guess my point is it’s pretty impossible to stage somebody getting murdered and couple others getting seriously injured on live tv.

Details of someone getting shot in the head came later on my end and far from pretty early. Details of the actual shooter getting put down also came later. And woke up to the announcement of him being identified. The early details I saw was the location of the shooting.

Before that, the idea that SS allowed for a shooter to be able to get a shot off on Trump. And allowing Trump to raise his head and fist in the air without knowing if there was another active shooter. For Trump to make that type of judgement himself. It's so incompetent that it's understandable for people to say to themselves this can't be real initially.

Trump lead a coup on the capital over a lie that the election was rigged leading to the death of multiple ppl. "American people". So yea people not giving him the benefit of doubt for anything is simply him reaping what he has sown.

Nalod wrote:

MaddogSharp wrote:

TheGame wrote:After reading more about the incident, I no longer think it could have been staged. I am said to hear that another man, besides the shooter, lost his life.

. Anybody who thinks it was staged is either brainwashed or just not being objective. Pretty early in it was announced an innocent man in the crowd was killed and shot in the head. plus two others were critically wounded. That was soon after it happened so can’t stage that. If the situation was reversed I would also feel the same way even if it’s not the man I support. Human life is worth more especially American life

Is there a scale to which an American is worth more?

. Never said American life is worth more so I think you’re reaching a bit. I’m pretty sure I stated human life first and foremost.

newyorknewyork wrote:

MaddogSharp wrote:

TheGame wrote:

MaddogSharp wrote:

TheGame wrote:After reading more about the incident, I no longer think it could have been staged. I am said to hear that another man, besides the shooter, lost his life.

. Anybody who thinks it was staged is either brainwashed or just not being objective. Pretty early in it was announced an innocent man in the crowd was killed and shot in the head. plus two others were critically wounded. That was soon after it happened so can’t stage that. If the situation was reversed I would also feel the same way even if it’s not the man I support. Human life is worth more especially American life

That is your opinion. I am neither brainwashed nor non-objective. I just would not take anything that happens with Trump at face value because Trump constantly creates drama and is constantly running cons. But as I stated, after reviewing the facts, it would appear highly unlikely that the shooting was staged.

. I guess my point is it’s pretty impossible to stage somebody getting murdered and couple others getting seriously injured on live tv.

Details of someone getting shot in the head came later on my end and far from pretty early. Details of the actual shooter getting put down also came later. And woke up to the announcement of him being identified. The early details I saw was the location of the shooting.

Before that, the idea that SS allowed for a shooter to be able to get a shot off on Trump. And allowing Trump to raise his head and fist in the air without knowing if there was another active shooter. For Trump to make that type of judgement himself. It's so incompetent that it's understandable for people to say to themselves this can't be real initially.

Trump lead a coup on the capital over a lie that the election was rigged leading to the death of multiple ppl. "American people". So yea people not giving him the benefit of doubt for anything is simply him reaping what he has sown.

. Completely Disagree

MaddogSharp wrote:

TheGame wrote:

MaddogSharp wrote:

TheGame wrote:After reading more about the incident, I no longer think it could have been staged. I am said to hear that another man, besides the shooter, lost his life.

. Anybody who thinks it was staged is either brainwashed or just not being objective. Pretty early in it was announced an innocent man in the crowd was killed and shot in the head. plus two others were critically wounded. That was soon after it happened so can’t stage that. If the situation was reversed I would also feel the same way even if it’s not the man I support. Human life is worth more especially American life

That is your opinion. I am neither brainwashed nor non-objective. I just would not take anything that happens with Trump at face value because Trump constantly creates drama and is constantly running cons. But as I stated, after reviewing the facts, it would appear highly unlikely that the shooting was staged.

. I guess my point is it’s pretty impossible to stage somebody getting murdered and couple others getting seriously injured on live tv.

I usually do not speak on politics I hate them. I consider myself a nothing in regards to democrat, republican, liberal, whatever. I just believe what is right is right now matter which side says it.

I am also not usually a conspiracy theorist. I don't like Biden but don't hate him, I tend to agree with much of what Trump says but HATE how he says it. He is purposely devisive

That being said, this sounds like a mix of the plots to the movies Shooter with Mark Wahlberg and the first Jack Reacher movie with Tom Cruise.

It was weird at first. Maybe some Manchurian Candidate like shit? RooSkie Mind control thing?
The bob Dylan dude that never even moved or showed anything until they cheered Trump whose first instinct was to get up an shout "fight"?
It was strange. The dude who turned to cameras when they wisked Donald in the car and was angry giving the finger and screaming "FU!!".
It was strange. They moved him when they said the Shooter was down.
Dude shot him but only grazed his ear? Wow, that was close!!!!

JesseDark wrote:

martin wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:I get that this message board leans left. I lean left.

Can we please edit this thread title because “Trump injured at rally” just makes everything on this board seem like fabricated news

We need to move on very quickly on from a singular understanding for thread title that may have been the best info of a situation at that particular time. I clearly don’t have any idea what the rest of your post is about.

As the thread author that was factual at the time. I did take some thought as to what I posted. It wasn't clear that he had been shot or if he was injured by something else. Besides that, what is erroneous or hyperbolic in the thread title. It was and still is factually correct.

to be clear: I have no problem with the initial read or you or any of your views now or ever-- but I think if we're going to retitle title the Boo-Hoo OG Anunoby Trade is so Bad thread this one very much so should get changed, knowing what we know now

joec32033 wrote:

MaddogSharp wrote:

TheGame wrote:

MaddogSharp wrote:

TheGame wrote:After reading more about the incident, I no longer think it could have been staged. I am said to hear that another man, besides the shooter, lost his life.

. Anybody who thinks it was staged is either brainwashed or just not being objective. Pretty early in it was announced an innocent man in the crowd was killed and shot in the head. plus two others were critically wounded. That was soon after it happened so can’t stage that. If the situation was reversed I would also feel the same way even if it’s not the man I support. Human life is worth more especially American life

That is your opinion. I am neither brainwashed nor non-objective. I just would not take anything that happens with Trump at face value because Trump constantly creates drama and is constantly running cons. But as I stated, after reviewing the facts, it would appear highly unlikely that the shooting was staged.

. I guess my point is it’s pretty impossible to stage somebody getting murdered and couple others getting seriously injured on live tv.

I usually do not speak on politics I hate them. I consider myself a nothing in regards to democrat, republican, liberal, whatever. I just believe what is right is right now matter which side says it.

I am also not usually a conspiracy theorist. I don't like Biden but don't hate him, I tend to agree with much of what Trump says but HATE how he says it. He is purposely devisive

That being said, this sounds like a mix of the plots to the movies Shooter with Mark Wahlberg and the first Jack Reacher movie with Tom Cruise.

100%. Look I’m not a Trump cheerleader I’m a conservative all my life. I don’t always agree on the way Trump puts things but I like his policies and similar to you I tend to agree what he says. I also dont like politics and normally never do this but this is something that hasn’t happened since Reagan so it’s scary that a assassination was an inch away from occurring and a 50 year old family man was murdered .

MaddogSharp wrote:

TheGame wrote:

MaddogSharp wrote:

TheGame wrote:After reading more about the incident, I no longer think it could have been staged. I am said to hear that another man, besides the shooter, lost his life.

. Anybody who thinks it was staged is either brainwashed or just not being objective. Pretty early in it was announced an innocent man in the crowd was killed and shot in the head. plus two others were critically wounded. That was soon after it happened so can’t stage that. If the situation was reversed I would also feel the same way even if it’s not the man I support. Human life is worth more especially American life

That is your opinion. I am neither brainwashed nor non-objective. I just would not take anything that happens with Trump at face value because Trump constantly creates drama and is constantly running cons. But as I stated, after reviewing the facts, it would appear highly unlikely that the shooting was staged.

. I guess my point is it’s pretty impossible to stage somebody getting murdered and couple others getting seriously injured on live tv.

Those who are incapable of murder and crimes against humanity can be ruled out.

MaddogSharp wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

MaddogSharp wrote:

TheGame wrote:

MaddogSharp wrote:

TheGame wrote:After reading more about the incident, I no longer think it could have been staged. I am said to hear that another man, besides the shooter, lost his life.

. Anybody who thinks it was staged is either brainwashed or just not being objective. Pretty early in it was announced an innocent man in the crowd was killed and shot in the head. plus two others were critically wounded. That was soon after it happened so can’t stage that. If the situation was reversed I would also feel the same way even if it’s not the man I support. Human life is worth more especially American life

That is your opinion. I am neither brainwashed nor non-objective. I just would not take anything that happens with Trump at face value because Trump constantly creates drama and is constantly running cons. But as I stated, after reviewing the facts, it would appear highly unlikely that the shooting was staged.

. I guess my point is it’s pretty impossible to stage somebody getting murdered and couple others getting seriously injured on live tv.

I usually do not speak on politics I hate them. I consider myself a nothing in regards to democrat, republican, liberal, whatever. I just believe what is right is right now matter which side says it.

I am also not usually a conspiracy theorist. I don't like Biden but don't hate him, I tend to agree with much of what Trump says but HATE how he says it. He is purposely devisive

That being said, this sounds like a mix of the plots to the movies Shooter with Mark Wahlberg and the first Jack Reacher movie with Tom Cruise.

Look I’m not a Trump cheerleader I’m a conservative all my life. I don’t always agree on the way Trump puts things but I like his policies and similar to you I tend to agree what he says. I also do t like politics and normally never do this but this is something that hasn’t happened since Reagan so it’s important and scary that a assassination was an inch away from occurring and a 50 year old family man was murdered .

I agree it's important. And it will stir up pro Trump feelings. My prayers go to the innocent victims. And I when I compared this to the movies I did, I did not mean it as a joke. In Jack Reacher a young vet was framed in a shooting and part of that was killing innocent people to hide the true shooting.

In Shooter they brought in an ex vet to help "scout" future presidential rally sites then framed him. And If I remember correctly, in that movie the the shooter missed on the target also.