Knicks · OT: Trump injured at rally (page 3)
MaddogSharp wrote:joec32033 wrote:Look I’m not a Trump cheerleader I’m a conservative all my life. I don’t always agree on the way Trump puts things but I like his policies and similar to you I tend to agree what he says. I also do t like politics and normally never do this but this is something that hasn’t happened since Reagan so it’s important and scary that a assassination was an inch away from occurring and a 50 year old family man was murdered .MaddogSharp wrote:TheGame wrote:. I guess my point is it’s pretty impossible to stage somebody getting murdered and couple others getting seriously injured on live tv.MaddogSharp wrote:TheGame wrote:After reading more about the incident, I no longer think it could have been staged. I am said to hear that another man, besides the shooter, lost his life.. Anybody who thinks it was staged is either brainwashed or just not being objective. Pretty early in it was announced an innocent man in the crowd was killed and shot in the head. plus two others were critically wounded. That was soon after it happened so can’t stage that. If the situation was reversed I would also feel the same way even if it’s not the man I support. Human life is worth more especially American lifeThat is your opinion. I am neither brainwashed nor non-objective. I just would not take anything that happens with Trump at face value because Trump constantly creates drama and is constantly running cons. But as I stated, after reviewing the facts, it would appear highly unlikely that the shooting was staged.
I usually do not speak on politics I hate them. I consider myself a nothing in regards to democrat, republican, liberal, whatever. I just believe what is right is right now matter which side says it.
I am also not usually a conspiracy theorist. I don't like Biden but don't hate him, I tend to agree with much of what Trump says but HATE how he says it. He is purposely devisive
That being said, this sounds like a mix of the plots to the movies Shooter with Mark Wahlberg and the first Jack Reacher movie with Tom Cruise.
I agree it's important. And it will stir up pro Trump feelings. My prayers go to the innocent victims. And I when I compared this to the movies I did, I did not mean it as a joke. In Jack Reacher a young vet was framed in a shooting and part of that was killing innocent people to hide the true shooting.
In Shooter they brought in an ex vet to help "scout" future presidential rally sites then framed him. And If I remember correctly, in that movie the the shooter missed on the target also.
joec32033 wrote:. Absolutely. Similar to 9/11. I was in the city that day and it felt like I was in a disaster movie about terrorism. Things happened that you can’t understand can possibly happen and seems like fiction. I don’t think this is going to change feeling on the left or the right. Maybe people in the center but who knows. I just hate seeing this kind of thing happen because it causes more divisiveness.MaddogSharp wrote:joec32033 wrote:Look I’m not a Trump cheerleader I’m a conservative all my life. I don’t always agree on the way Trump puts things but I like his policies and similar to you I tend to agree what he says. I also do t like politics and normally never do this but this is something that hasn’t happened since Reagan so it’s important and scary that a assassination was an inch away from occurring and a 50 year old family man was murdered .MaddogSharp wrote:TheGame wrote:. I guess my point is it’s pretty impossible to stage somebody getting murdered and couple others getting seriously injured on live tv.MaddogSharp wrote:TheGame wrote:After reading more about the incident, I no longer think it could have been staged. I am said to hear that another man, besides the shooter, lost his life.. Anybody who thinks it was staged is either brainwashed or just not being objective. Pretty early in it was announced an innocent man in the crowd was killed and shot in the head. plus two others were critically wounded. That was soon after it happened so can’t stage that. If the situation was reversed I would also feel the same way even if it’s not the man I support. Human life is worth more especially American lifeThat is your opinion. I am neither brainwashed nor non-objective. I just would not take anything that happens with Trump at face value because Trump constantly creates drama and is constantly running cons. But as I stated, after reviewing the facts, it would appear highly unlikely that the shooting was staged.
I usually do not speak on politics I hate them. I consider myself a nothing in regards to democrat, republican, liberal, whatever. I just believe what is right is right now matter which side says it.
I am also not usually a conspiracy theorist. I don't like Biden but don't hate him, I tend to agree with much of what Trump says but HATE how he says it. He is purposely devisive
That being said, this sounds like a mix of the plots to the movies Shooter with Mark Wahlberg and the first Jack Reacher movie with Tom Cruise.
I agree it's important. And it will stir up pro Trump feelings. My prayers go to the innocent victims. And I when I compared this to the movies I did, I did not mean it as a joke. In Jack Reacher a young vet was framed in a shooting and part of that was killing innocent people to hide the true shooting.
In Shooter they brought in an ex vet to help "scout" future presidential rally sites then framed him. And If I remember correctly, in that movie the the shooter missed on the target also.
MaddogSharp wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:. Completely DisagreeMaddogSharp wrote:TheGame wrote:. I guess my point is it’s pretty impossible to stage somebody getting murdered and couple others getting seriously injured on live tv.MaddogSharp wrote:TheGame wrote:After reading more about the incident, I no longer think it could have been staged. I am said to hear that another man, besides the shooter, lost his life.. Anybody who thinks it was staged is either brainwashed or just not being objective. Pretty early in it was announced an innocent man in the crowd was killed and shot in the head. plus two others were critically wounded. That was soon after it happened so can’t stage that. If the situation was reversed I would also feel the same way even if it’s not the man I support. Human life is worth more especially American lifeThat is your opinion. I am neither brainwashed nor non-objective. I just would not take anything that happens with Trump at face value because Trump constantly creates drama and is constantly running cons. But as I stated, after reviewing the facts, it would appear highly unlikely that the shooting was staged.
Details of someone getting shot in the head came later on my end and far from pretty early. Details of the actual shooter getting put down also came later. And woke up to the announcement of him being identified. The early details I saw was the location of the shooting.
Before that, the idea that SS allowed for a shooter to be able to get a shot off on Trump. And allowing Trump to raise his head and fist in the air without knowing if there was another active shooter. For Trump to make that type of judgement himself. It's so incompetent that it's understandable for people to say to themselves this can't be real initially.
Trump lead a coup on the capital over a lie that the election was rigged leading to the death of multiple ppl. "American people". So yea people not giving him the benefit of doubt for anything is simply him reaping what he has sown.
For better understanding, please elaborate.
newyorknewyork wrote:. I don’t really want to get into a heated debate in here. I’ll just respectfully agree to disagree. However one thing I will say is that I learned of one Trump supporter dying very early on.MaddogSharp wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:. Completely DisagreeMaddogSharp wrote:TheGame wrote:. I guess my point is it’s pretty impossible to stage somebody getting murdered and couple others getting seriously injured on live tv.MaddogSharp wrote:TheGame wrote:After reading more about the incident, I no longer think it could have been staged. I am said to hear that another man, besides the shooter, lost his life.. Anybody who thinks it was staged is either brainwashed or just not being objective. Pretty early in it was announced an innocent man in the crowd was killed and shot in the head. plus two others were critically wounded. That was soon after it happened so can’t stage that. If the situation was reversed I would also feel the same way even if it’s not the man I support. Human life is worth more especially American lifeThat is your opinion. I am neither brainwashed nor non-objective. I just would not take anything that happens with Trump at face value because Trump constantly creates drama and is constantly running cons. But as I stated, after reviewing the facts, it would appear highly unlikely that the shooting was staged.
Details of someone getting shot in the head came later on my end and far from pretty early. Details of the actual shooter getting put down also came later. And woke up to the announcement of him being identified. The early details I saw was the location of the shooting.
Before that, the idea that SS allowed for a shooter to be able to get a shot off on Trump. And allowing Trump to raise his head and fist in the air without knowing if there was another active shooter. For Trump to make that type of judgement himself. It's so incompetent that it's understandable for people to say to themselves this can't be real initially.
Trump lead a coup on the capital over a lie that the election was rigged leading to the death of multiple ppl. "American people". So yea people not giving him the benefit of doubt for anything is simply him reaping what he has sown.
For better understanding, please elaborate.
TheGame wrote:After reading more about the incident, I no longer think it could have been staged. I am said to hear that another man, besides the shooter, lost his life.
All that means is, the plan didn't go as planned and their was some collateral damage. Do I believe Trump would ok a plan that could risk others peoples lives to make himself look good well yeah.
MaddogSharp wrote:joec32033 wrote:100%. Look I’m not a Trump cheerleader I’m a conservative all my life. I don’t always agree on the way Trump puts things but I like his policies and similar to you I tend to agree what he says. I also dont like politics and normally never do this but this is something that hasn’t happened since Reagan so it’s scary that a assassination was an inch away from occurring and a 50 year old family man was murdered .MaddogSharp wrote:TheGame wrote:. I guess my point is it’s pretty impossible to stage somebody getting murdered and couple others getting seriously injured on live tv.MaddogSharp wrote:TheGame wrote:After reading more about the incident, I no longer think it could have been staged. I am said to hear that another man, besides the shooter, lost his life.. Anybody who thinks it was staged is either brainwashed or just not being objective. Pretty early in it was announced an innocent man in the crowd was killed and shot in the head. plus two others were critically wounded. That was soon after it happened so can’t stage that. If the situation was reversed I would also feel the same way even if it’s not the man I support. Human life is worth more especially American lifeThat is your opinion. I am neither brainwashed nor non-objective. I just would not take anything that happens with Trump at face value because Trump constantly creates drama and is constantly running cons. But as I stated, after reviewing the facts, it would appear highly unlikely that the shooting was staged.
I usually do not speak on politics I hate them. I consider myself a nothing in regards to democrat, republican, liberal, whatever. I just believe what is right is right now matter which side says it.
I am also not usually a conspiracy theorist. I don't like Biden but don't hate him, I tend to agree with much of what Trump says but HATE how he says it. He is purposely devisive
That being said, this sounds like a mix of the plots to the movies Shooter with Mark Wahlberg and the first Jack Reacher movie with Tom Cruise.
I'm a former conservative, I won't go into the litany of ways Trump is not true to conservative values and infact conservative values often make no sense and " Conservatives don't really mean what they say, just say whatever to gain power. I don't like politics but I'd rather be in a tent with people who disagree with me instead of the modern Republican party. You mention Reagan, Reagan today would be labeled a liberal RINO. When Trump is reelected it's going to be scary and disgraceful, circa Argentina and Chile in the 70s.
Alpha1971 wrote:. I disagree that the modern Republicans have changed radically that’s just a narrative networks like CNN spin which is probably why their viewership is at the bottom. Look Trump is definitely brash and goes too far with things he says sometimes but i think why many support him is that he doesn’t back down. Yesterday was another example, comes within an inch of getting his head blown off but still let’s the crowd know he is ok and to keep fighting fir what they believe in. People who hate him are going yo hate him so nothing will change that. But I think when it comes to policy and State of the country that where I standMaddogSharp wrote:joec32033 wrote:100%. Look I’m not a Trump cheerleader I’m a conservative all my life. I don’t always agree on the way Trump puts things but I like his policies and similar to you I tend to agree what he says. I also dont like politics and normally never do this but this is something that hasn’t happened since Reagan so it’s scary that a assassination was an inch away from occurring and a 50 year old family man was murdered .MaddogSharp wrote:TheGame wrote:. I guess my point is it’s pretty impossible to stage somebody getting murdered and couple others getting seriously injured on live tv.MaddogSharp wrote:TheGame wrote:After reading more about the incident, I no longer think it could have been staged. I am said to hear that another man, besides the shooter, lost his life.. Anybody who thinks it was staged is either brainwashed or just not being objective. Pretty early in it was announced an innocent man in the crowd was killed and shot in the head. plus two others were critically wounded. That was soon after it happened so can’t stage that. If the situation was reversed I would also feel the same way even if it’s not the man I support. Human life is worth more especially American lifeThat is your opinion. I am neither brainwashed nor non-objective. I just would not take anything that happens with Trump at face value because Trump constantly creates drama and is constantly running cons. But as I stated, after reviewing the facts, it would appear highly unlikely that the shooting was staged.
I usually do not speak on politics I hate them. I consider myself a nothing in regards to democrat, republican, liberal, whatever. I just believe what is right is right now matter which side says it.
I am also not usually a conspiracy theorist. I don't like Biden but don't hate him, I tend to agree with much of what Trump says but HATE how he says it. He is purposely devisive
That being said, this sounds like a mix of the plots to the movies Shooter with Mark Wahlberg and the first Jack Reacher movie with Tom Cruise.
I'm a former conservative, I won't go into the litany of ways Trump is not true to conservative values and infact conservative values often make no sense and " Conservatives don't really mean what they say, just say whatever to gain power. I don't like politics but I'd rather be in a tent with people who disagree with me instead of the modern Republican party. You mention Reagan, Reagan today would be labeled a liberal RINO. When Trump is reelected it's going to be scary and disgraceful, circa Argentina and Chile in the 70s.
Alpha1971 wrote:Spain defeated England in the Euro Cup today 2-1. Spanish tennis player Carlos Alcaraz won Wimbledon this morning. La Roja is on fire today.
AKC Diving on ESPN is making me think all other sports are obsolete.
You have to be evil or just a strait up moron to vote for this idiot.
Biden isn’t much better but at least he believes in women’s rights and he’s not a racist like trump . He is bought and paid for by the corporations and that I will not stand by.
This will go down as the worst election in the history of America … neither candidate is qualified to represent this country and the people that live here . We are literally voting for 80-year-old men. The media on both sides have us brainwashed.
MaddogSharp wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:. I disagree that the modern Republicans have changed radically that’s just a narrative networks like CNN spin which is probably why their viewership is at the bottom. Look Trump is definitely brash and goes too far with things he says sometimes but i think why many support him is that he doesn’t back down. Yesterday was another example, comes within an inch of getting his head blown off but still let’s the crowd know he is ok and to keep fighting fir what they believe in. People who hate him are going yo hate him so nothing will change that. But I think when it comes to policy and State of the country that where I standMaddogSharp wrote:joec32033 wrote:100%. Look I’m not a Trump cheerleader I’m a conservative all my life. I don’t always agree on the way Trump puts things but I like his policies and similar to you I tend to agree what he says. I also dont like politics and normally never do this but this is something that hasn’t happened since Reagan so it’s scary that a assassination was an inch away from occurring and a 50 year old family man was murdered .MaddogSharp wrote:TheGame wrote:. I guess my point is it’s pretty impossible to stage somebody getting murdered and couple others getting seriously injured on live tv.MaddogSharp wrote:TheGame wrote:After reading more about the incident, I no longer think it could have been staged. I am said to hear that another man, besides the shooter, lost his life.. Anybody who thinks it was staged is either brainwashed or just not being objective. Pretty early in it was announced an innocent man in the crowd was killed and shot in the head. plus two others were critically wounded. That was soon after it happened so can’t stage that. If the situation was reversed I would also feel the same way even if it’s not the man I support. Human life is worth more especially American lifeThat is your opinion. I am neither brainwashed nor non-objective. I just would not take anything that happens with Trump at face value because Trump constantly creates drama and is constantly running cons. But as I stated, after reviewing the facts, it would appear highly unlikely that the shooting was staged.
I usually do not speak on politics I hate them. I consider myself a nothing in regards to democrat, republican, liberal, whatever. I just believe what is right is right now matter which side says it.
I am also not usually a conspiracy theorist. I don't like Biden but don't hate him, I tend to agree with much of what Trump says but HATE how he says it. He is purposely devisive
That being said, this sounds like a mix of the plots to the movies Shooter with Mark Wahlberg and the first Jack Reacher movie with Tom Cruise.
I'm a former conservative, I won't go into the litany of ways Trump is not true to conservative values and infact conservative values often make no sense and " Conservatives don't really mean what they say, just say whatever to gain power. I don't like politics but I'd rather be in a tent with people who disagree with me instead of the modern Republican party. You mention Reagan, Reagan today would be labeled a liberal RINO. When Trump is reelected it's going to be scary and disgraceful, circa Argentina and Chile in the 70s.
Perhaps you can't see it but Trump is a Populist, not a conservative. If you followed or studied Trump for any length of time you would understand that he has thrived through the media his entire life.....first as a socialite, then in real estate/casinos, then various last name branding exercises such as wine, buildings, golf courses, books, university (now even a Trump Bible, NFTs and Sneakers) etc. then as a reality personality, then a Democrat, then running as an Independent, then as a Republican, then with his own social media platform. He has generally gone with which way offers him the best individual opportunity, generally without any moral conviction. Example....the guy who likely has not followed any type of religion or scripture is currently hucking Trump Bibles.
foosballnick wrote:. Yes I can see it and yes I have followed Trump through this career but thanks …I guess. Anyway when it comes Down to him I love our history even the tough times and I love my country. He’s the candidate who most aligns with my views and it’s not even close. Some hate him and that’s their right but I stand by my decisionsMaddogSharp wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:. I disagree that the modern Republicans have changed radically that’s just a narrative networks like CNN spin which is probably why their viewership is at the bottom. Look Trump is definitely brash and goes too far with things he says sometimes but i think why many support him is that he doesn’t back down. Yesterday was another example, comes within an inch of getting his head blown off but still let’s the crowd know he is ok and to keep fighting fir what they believe in. People who hate him are going yo hate him so nothing will change that. But I think when it comes to policy and State of the country that where I standMaddogSharp wrote:joec32033 wrote:100%. Look I’m not a Trump cheerleader I’m a conservative all my life. I don’t always agree on the way Trump puts things but I like his policies and similar to you I tend to agree what he says. I also dont like politics and normally never do this but this is something that hasn’t happened since Reagan so it’s scary that a assassination was an inch away from occurring and a 50 year old family man was murdered .MaddogSharp wrote:TheGame wrote:. I guess my point is it’s pretty impossible to stage somebody getting murdered and couple others getting seriously injured on live tv.MaddogSharp wrote:TheGame wrote:After reading more about the incident, I no longer think it could have been staged. I am said to hear that another man, besides the shooter, lost his life.. Anybody who thinks it was staged is either brainwashed or just not being objective. Pretty early in it was announced an innocent man in the crowd was killed and shot in the head. plus two others were critically wounded. That was soon after it happened so can’t stage that. If the situation was reversed I would also feel the same way even if it’s not the man I support. Human life is worth more especially American lifeThat is your opinion. I am neither brainwashed nor non-objective. I just would not take anything that happens with Trump at face value because Trump constantly creates drama and is constantly running cons. But as I stated, after reviewing the facts, it would appear highly unlikely that the shooting was staged.
I usually do not speak on politics I hate them. I consider myself a nothing in regards to democrat, republican, liberal, whatever. I just believe what is right is right now matter which side says it.
I am also not usually a conspiracy theorist. I don't like Biden but don't hate him, I tend to agree with much of what Trump says but HATE how he says it. He is purposely devisive
That being said, this sounds like a mix of the plots to the movies Shooter with Mark Wahlberg and the first Jack Reacher movie with Tom Cruise.
I'm a former conservative, I won't go into the litany of ways Trump is not true to conservative values and infact conservative values often make no sense and " Conservatives don't really mean what they say, just say whatever to gain power. I don't like politics but I'd rather be in a tent with people who disagree with me instead of the modern Republican party. You mention Reagan, Reagan today would be labeled a liberal RINO. When Trump is reelected it's going to be scary and disgraceful, circa Argentina and Chile in the 70s.
Perhaps you can't see it but Trump is a Populist, not a conservative. If you followed or studied Trump for any length of time you would understand that he has thrived through the media his entire life.....first as a socialite, then in real estate/casinos, then various last name branding exercises such as wine, buildings, golf courses, books, university (now even a Trump Bible, NFTs and Sneakers) etc. then as a reality personality, then a Democrat, then running as an Independent, then as a Republican, then with his own social media platform. He has generally gone with which way offers him the best individual opportunity, generally without any moral conviction. Example....the guy who likely has not followed any type of religion or scripture is currently hucking Trump Bibles.
MaddogSharp wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:. I disagree that the modern Republicans have changed radically that’s just a narrative networks like CNN spin which is probably why their viewership is at the bottom. Look Trump is definitely brash and goes too far with things he says sometimes but i think why many support him is that he doesn’t back down. Yesterday was another example, comes within an inch of getting his head blown off but still let’s the crowd know he is ok and to keep fighting fir what they believe in. People who hate him are going yo hate him so nothing will change that. But I think when it comes to policy and State of the country that where I standMaddogSharp wrote:joec32033 wrote:100%. Look I’m not a Trump cheerleader I’m a conservative all my life. I don’t always agree on the way Trump puts things but I like his policies and similar to you I tend to agree what he says. I also dont like politics and normally never do this but this is something that hasn’t happened since Reagan so it’s scary that a assassination was an inch away from occurring and a 50 year old family man was murdered .MaddogSharp wrote:TheGame wrote:. I guess my point is it’s pretty impossible to stage somebody getting murdered and couple others getting seriously injured on live tv.MaddogSharp wrote:TheGame wrote:After reading more about the incident, I no longer think it could have been staged. I am said to hear that another man, besides the shooter, lost his life.. Anybody who thinks it was staged is either brainwashed or just not being objective. Pretty early in it was announced an innocent man in the crowd was killed and shot in the head. plus two others were critically wounded. That was soon after it happened so can’t stage that. If the situation was reversed I would also feel the same way even if it’s not the man I support. Human life is worth more especially American lifeThat is your opinion. I am neither brainwashed nor non-objective. I just would not take anything that happens with Trump at face value because Trump constantly creates drama and is constantly running cons. But as I stated, after reviewing the facts, it would appear highly unlikely that the shooting was staged.
I usually do not speak on politics I hate them. I consider myself a nothing in regards to democrat, republican, liberal, whatever. I just believe what is right is right now matter which side says it.
I am also not usually a conspiracy theorist. I don't like Biden but don't hate him, I tend to agree with much of what Trump says but HATE how he says it. He is purposely devisive
That being said, this sounds like a mix of the plots to the movies Shooter with Mark Wahlberg and the first Jack Reacher movie with Tom Cruise.
I'm a former conservative, I won't go into the litany of ways Trump is not true to conservative values and infact conservative values often make no sense and " Conservatives don't really mean what they say, just say whatever to gain power. I don't like politics but I'd rather be in a tent with people who disagree with me instead of the modern Republican party. You mention Reagan, Reagan today would be labeled a liberal RINO. When Trump is reelected it's going to be scary and disgraceful, circa Argentina and Chile in the 70s.
I don't watch CNN and you can't see how the Republican party is different then how it was when Reagan and Bush and even Nixon were ? I mean all generations of Republican use the dog whistle and the politics of grievance, and deference to the rich,that is constant thru the generations. However, when under Reagan and other Republican officials was it ok to put party over nation ? When was it conservative to betray allies like the Kurds, to alienate and wish to diminish NATO or look the other way when Russia threatens US interests and offers bounties on US troops ? That's just foreign policy. I don't even want to go on at a Sports site. What has emerged from Republican politics is a cancerous, anti
Democratic, disgrace. A healthier more centrist Republican party would contribute to healing the ills of this country, this current iteration is leading the nation to a right wing banana Republic, where legal precedence, political norms, and across the aisle cooperation is not only impossible but antithetical to the values of the right wing.
Alpha1971 wrote:. That’s your opinion but I completely disagreeMaddogSharp wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:. I disagree that the modern Republicans have changed radically that’s just a narrative networks like CNN spin which is probably why their viewership is at the bottom. Look Trump is definitely brash and goes too far with things he says sometimes but i think why many support him is that he doesn’t back down. Yesterday was another example, comes within an inch of getting his head blown off but still let’s the crowd know he is ok and to keep fighting fir what they believe in. People who hate him are going yo hate him so nothing will change that. But I think when it comes to policy and State of the country that where I standMaddogSharp wrote:joec32033 wrote:100%. Look I’m not a Trump cheerleader I’m a conservative all my life. I don’t always agree on the way Trump puts things but I like his policies and similar to you I tend to agree what he says. I also dont like politics and normally never do this but this is something that hasn’t happened since Reagan so it’s scary that a assassination was an inch away from occurring and a 50 year old family man was murdered .MaddogSharp wrote:TheGame wrote:. I guess my point is it’s pretty impossible to stage somebody getting murdered and couple others getting seriously injured on live tv.MaddogSharp wrote:TheGame wrote:After reading more about the incident, I no longer think it could have been staged. I am said to hear that another man, besides the shooter, lost his life.. Anybody who thinks it was staged is either brainwashed or just not being objective. Pretty early in it was announced an innocent man in the crowd was killed and shot in the head. plus two others were critically wounded. That was soon after it happened so can’t stage that. If the situation was reversed I would also feel the same way even if it’s not the man I support. Human life is worth more especially American lifeThat is your opinion. I am neither brainwashed nor non-objective. I just would not take anything that happens with Trump at face value because Trump constantly creates drama and is constantly running cons. But as I stated, after reviewing the facts, it would appear highly unlikely that the shooting was staged.
I usually do not speak on politics I hate them. I consider myself a nothing in regards to democrat, republican, liberal, whatever. I just believe what is right is right now matter which side says it.
I am also not usually a conspiracy theorist. I don't like Biden but don't hate him, I tend to agree with much of what Trump says but HATE how he says it. He is purposely devisive
That being said, this sounds like a mix of the plots to the movies Shooter with Mark Wahlberg and the first Jack Reacher movie with Tom Cruise.
I'm a former conservative, I won't go into the litany of ways Trump is not true to conservative values and infact conservative values often make no sense and " Conservatives don't really mean what they say, just say whatever to gain power. I don't like politics but I'd rather be in a tent with people who disagree with me instead of the modern Republican party. You mention Reagan, Reagan today would be labeled a liberal RINO. When Trump is reelected it's going to be scary and disgraceful, circa Argentina and Chile in the 70s.
I don't watch CNN and you can't see how the Republican party is different then how it was when Reagan and Bush and even Nixon were ? I mean all generations of Republican use the dog whistle and the politics of grievance, and deference to the rich,that is constant thru the generations. However, when under Reagan and other Republican officials was it ok to put party over nation ? When was it conservative to betray allies like the Kurds, to alienate and wish to diminish NATO or look the other way when Russia threatens US interests and offers bounties on US troops ? That's just foreign policy. I don't even want to go on at a Sports site. What has emerged from Republican politics is a cancerous, anti
Democratic, disgrace. A healthier more centrist Republican party would contribute to healing the ills of this country, this current iteration is leading the nation to a right wing banana Republic, where legal precedence, political norms, and across the aisle cooperation is not only impossible but antithetical to the values of the right wing.
MaddogSharp wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:. That’s your opinion but I completely disagreeMaddogSharp wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:. I disagree that the modern Republicans have changed radically that’s just a narrative networks like CNN spin which is probably why their viewership is at the bottom. Look Trump is definitely brash and goes too far with things he says sometimes but i think why many support him is that he doesn’t back down. Yesterday was another example, comes within an inch of getting his head blown off but still let’s the crowd know he is ok and to keep fighting fir what they believe in. People who hate him are going yo hate him so nothing will change that. But I think when it comes to policy and State of the country that where I standMaddogSharp wrote:joec32033 wrote:100%. Look I’m not a Trump cheerleader I’m a conservative all my life. I don’t always agree on the way Trump puts things but I like his policies and similar to you I tend to agree what he says. I also dont like politics and normally never do this but this is something that hasn’t happened since Reagan so it’s scary that a assassination was an inch away from occurring and a 50 year old family man was murdered .MaddogSharp wrote:TheGame wrote:. I guess my point is it’s pretty impossible to stage somebody getting murdered and couple others getting seriously injured on live tv.MaddogSharp wrote:TheGame wrote:After reading more about the incident, I no longer think it could have been staged. I am said to hear that another man, besides the shooter, lost his life.. Anybody who thinks it was staged is either brainwashed or just not being objective. Pretty early in it was announced an innocent man in the crowd was killed and shot in the head. plus two others were critically wounded. That was soon after it happened so can’t stage that. If the situation was reversed I would also feel the same way even if it’s not the man I support. Human life is worth more especially American lifeThat is your opinion. I am neither brainwashed nor non-objective. I just would not take anything that happens with Trump at face value because Trump constantly creates drama and is constantly running cons. But as I stated, after reviewing the facts, it would appear highly unlikely that the shooting was staged.
I usually do not speak on politics I hate them. I consider myself a nothing in regards to democrat, republican, liberal, whatever. I just believe what is right is right now matter which side says it.
I am also not usually a conspiracy theorist. I don't like Biden but don't hate him, I tend to agree with much of what Trump says but HATE how he says it. He is purposely devisive
That being said, this sounds like a mix of the plots to the movies Shooter with Mark Wahlberg and the first Jack Reacher movie with Tom Cruise.
I'm a former conservative, I won't go into the litany of ways Trump is not true to conservative values and infact conservative values often make no sense and " Conservatives don't really mean what they say, just say whatever to gain power. I don't like politics but I'd rather be in a tent with people who disagree with me instead of the modern Republican party. You mention Reagan, Reagan today would be labeled a liberal RINO. When Trump is reelected it's going to be scary and disgraceful, circa Argentina and Chile in the 70s.
I don't watch CNN and you can't see how the Republican party is different then how it was when Reagan and Bush and even Nixon were ? I mean all generations of Republican use the dog whistle and the politics of grievance, and deference to the rich,that is constant thru the generations. However, when under Reagan and other Republican officials was it ok to put party over nation ? When was it conservative to betray allies like the Kurds, to alienate and wish to diminish NATO or look the other way when Russia threatens US interests and offers bounties on US troops ? That's just foreign policy. I don't even want to go on at a Sports site. What has emerged from Republican politics is a cancerous, anti
Democratic, disgrace. A healthier more centrist Republican party would contribute to healing the ills of this country, this current iteration is leading the nation to a right wing banana Republic, where legal precedence, political norms, and across the aisle cooperation is not only impossible but antithetical to the values of the right wing.
As a former conservative, I realize how easy it for you to look the other way and bury your head in the sand. Gingrich, may have been the architect of this chaos, championed later by Hannity, Limbaugh, financed by the Koch Brothers, and given the intellectual framework of the Federalist Society,cause it just feels so right to have a avatar like Trump who speaks like Trumo does. I get it. I have lived it, I'm glad I left it behind.
Alpha1971 wrote:. I love posts like this. “I dont agree with you so “I’m burying my head in the sand” 😂 Hate to break it to you but I’m not the one burying my head in the sand. I’m not influenced by rhetoric, the media, social media, or any of that stuff. I don’t want to be controlled or told what to do. I call out my party when I feel they are doing the wrong thing or not doing enough. Look you wanted to leave and that your right. I’m not here to convince you whereas you seem to be desperate to convince me and since I don’t budge I’m clueless apparently 😂 . Anyway hopefully you find peace take care.MaddogSharp wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:. That’s your opinion but I completely disagreeMaddogSharp wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:. I disagree that the modern Republicans have changed radically that’s just a narrative networks like CNN spin which is probably why their viewership is at the bottom. Look Trump is definitely brash and goes too far with things he says sometimes but i think why many support him is that he doesn’t back down. Yesterday was another example, comes within an inch of getting his head blown off but still let’s the crowd know he is ok and to keep fighting fir what they believe in. People who hate him are going yo hate him so nothing will change that. But I think when it comes to policy and State of the country that where I standMaddogSharp wrote:joec32033 wrote:100%. Look I’m not a Trump cheerleader I’m a conservative all my life. I don’t always agree on the way Trump puts things but I like his policies and similar to you I tend to agree what he says. I also dont like politics and normally never do this but this is something that hasn’t happened since Reagan so it’s scary that a assassination was an inch away from occurring and a 50 year old family man was murdered .MaddogSharp wrote:TheGame wrote:. I guess my point is it’s pretty impossible to stage somebody getting murdered and couple others getting seriously injured on live tv.MaddogSharp wrote:TheGame wrote:After reading more about the incident, I no longer think it could have been staged. I am said to hear that another man, besides the shooter, lost his life.. Anybody who thinks it was staged is either brainwashed or just not being objective. Pretty early in it was announced an innocent man in the crowd was killed and shot in the head. plus two others were critically wounded. That was soon after it happened so can’t stage that. If the situation was reversed I would also feel the same way even if it’s not the man I support. Human life is worth more especially American lifeThat is your opinion. I am neither brainwashed nor non-objective. I just would not take anything that happens with Trump at face value because Trump constantly creates drama and is constantly running cons. But as I stated, after reviewing the facts, it would appear highly unlikely that the shooting was staged.
I usually do not speak on politics I hate them. I consider myself a nothing in regards to democrat, republican, liberal, whatever. I just believe what is right is right now matter which side says it.
I am also not usually a conspiracy theorist. I don't like Biden but don't hate him, I tend to agree with much of what Trump says but HATE how he says it. He is purposely devisive
That being said, this sounds like a mix of the plots to the movies Shooter with Mark Wahlberg and the first Jack Reacher movie with Tom Cruise.
I'm a former conservative, I won't go into the litany of ways Trump is not true to conservative values and infact conservative values often make no sense and " Conservatives don't really mean what they say, just say whatever to gain power. I don't like politics but I'd rather be in a tent with people who disagree with me instead of the modern Republican party. You mention Reagan, Reagan today would be labeled a liberal RINO. When Trump is reelected it's going to be scary and disgraceful, circa Argentina and Chile in the 70s.
I don't watch CNN and you can't see how the Republican party is different then how it was when Reagan and Bush and even Nixon were ? I mean all generations of Republican use the dog whistle and the politics of grievance, and deference to the rich,that is constant thru the generations. However, when under Reagan and other Republican officials was it ok to put party over nation ? When was it conservative to betray allies like the Kurds, to alienate and wish to diminish NATO or look the other way when Russia threatens US interests and offers bounties on US troops ? That's just foreign policy. I don't even want to go on at a Sports site. What has emerged from Republican politics is a cancerous, anti
Democratic, disgrace. A healthier more centrist Republican party would contribute to healing the ills of this country, this current iteration is leading the nation to a right wing banana Republic, where legal precedence, political norms, and across the aisle cooperation is not only impossible but antithetical to the values of the right wing.As a former conservative, I realize how easy it for you to look the other way and bury your head in the sand. Gingrich, may have been the architect of this chaos, championed later by Hannity, Limbaugh, financed by the Koch Brothers, and given the intellectual framework of the Federalist Society,cause it just feels so right to have a avatar like Trump who speaks like Trumo does. I get it. I have lived it, I'm glad I left it behind.
MaddogSharp wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:. I love posts like this. “I dont agree with you so “I’m burying my head in the sand” 😂 Hate to break it to you but I’m not the one burying my head in the sand. I’m not influenced by rhetoric, the media, social media, or any of that stuff. I don’t want to be controlled or told what to do. I call out my party when I feel they are doing the wrong thing or not doing enough. Look you wanted to leave and that your right. I’m not here to convince you whereas you seem to be desperate to convince me and since I don’t budge I’m clueless apparently 😂 . Anyway hopefully you find peace take care.MaddogSharp wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:. That’s your opinion but I completely disagreeMaddogSharp wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:. I disagree that the modern Republicans have changed radically that’s just a narrative networks like CNN spin which is probably why their viewership is at the bottom. Look Trump is definitely brash and goes too far with things he says sometimes but i think why many support him is that he doesn’t back down. Yesterday was another example, comes within an inch of getting his head blown off but still let’s the crowd know he is ok and to keep fighting fir what they believe in. People who hate him are going yo hate him so nothing will change that. But I think when it comes to policy and State of the country that where I standMaddogSharp wrote:joec32033 wrote:100%. Look I’m not a Trump cheerleader I’m a conservative all my life. I don’t always agree on the way Trump puts things but I like his policies and similar to you I tend to agree what he says. I also dont like politics and normally never do this but this is something that hasn’t happened since Reagan so it’s scary that a assassination was an inch away from occurring and a 50 year old family man was murdered .MaddogSharp wrote:TheGame wrote:. I guess my point is it’s pretty impossible to stage somebody getting murdered and couple others getting seriously injured on live tv.MaddogSharp wrote:TheGame wrote:After reading more about the incident, I no longer think it could have been staged. I am said to hear that another man, besides the shooter, lost his life.. Anybody who thinks it was staged is either brainwashed or just not being objective. Pretty early in it was announced an innocent man in the crowd was killed and shot in the head. plus two others were critically wounded. That was soon after it happened so can’t stage that. If the situation was reversed I would also feel the same way even if it’s not the man I support. Human life is worth more especially American lifeThat is your opinion. I am neither brainwashed nor non-objective. I just would not take anything that happens with Trump at face value because Trump constantly creates drama and is constantly running cons. But as I stated, after reviewing the facts, it would appear highly unlikely that the shooting was staged.
I usually do not speak on politics I hate them. I consider myself a nothing in regards to democrat, republican, liberal, whatever. I just believe what is right is right now matter which side says it.
I am also not usually a conspiracy theorist. I don't like Biden but don't hate him, I tend to agree with much of what Trump says but HATE how he says it. He is purposely devisive
That being said, this sounds like a mix of the plots to the movies Shooter with Mark Wahlberg and the first Jack Reacher movie with Tom Cruise.
I'm a former conservative, I won't go into the litany of ways Trump is not true to conservative values and infact conservative values often make no sense and " Conservatives don't really mean what they say, just say whatever to gain power. I don't like politics but I'd rather be in a tent with people who disagree with me instead of the modern Republican party. You mention Reagan, Reagan today would be labeled a liberal RINO. When Trump is reelected it's going to be scary and disgraceful, circa Argentina and Chile in the 70s.
I don't watch CNN and you can't see how the Republican party is different then how it was when Reagan and Bush and even Nixon were ? I mean all generations of Republican use the dog whistle and the politics of grievance, and deference to the rich,that is constant thru the generations. However, when under Reagan and other Republican officials was it ok to put party over nation ? When was it conservative to betray allies like the Kurds, to alienate and wish to diminish NATO or look the other way when Russia threatens US interests and offers bounties on US troops ? That's just foreign policy. I don't even want to go on at a Sports site. What has emerged from Republican politics is a cancerous, anti
Democratic, disgrace. A healthier more centrist Republican party would contribute to healing the ills of this country, this current iteration is leading the nation to a right wing banana Republic, where legal precedence, political norms, and across the aisle cooperation is not only impossible but antithetical to the values of the right wing.As a former conservative, I realize how easy it for you to look the other way and bury your head in the sand. Gingrich, may have been the architect of this chaos, championed later by Hannity, Limbaugh, financed by the Koch Brothers, and given the intellectual framework of the Federalist Society,cause it just feels so right to have a avatar like Trump who speaks like Trumo does. I get it. I have lived it, I'm glad I left it behind.
Fake laughs to convey that my observations are not valid, sorry buddy, I see threw it. I don't believe it, I stand by my appraisal of the modern Republican party. You haven't told me how I'm wrong just I believe what I believe and your not right, so there, I am not listening to you, cause I agree with him, and I like him yadda yadda. You say your not influenced by media but the first thing you tell me is that I believe a CNN narrative. That sounds like projection from someone who surely does drink the Kool Aide of the Right wing media, why not just say " Lame Stream media " you know you want to. But anyway, we got the Knicks to keep us civil and share in common as America becomes Chile under Pinochet.By the way as a self identified lover of American History and Democracy should condemn a President who willfully attempted to defy the will of the American people in a valid election. January 6 is so quickly forgotten by someone who loves American history ??? Oh well you like him, so there, that's all that matters so there right ?
Alpha1971 wrote:. Again it seems like you’re more upset that I dont agree with you. If you go back I said “That’s your opinion you’re entitled to it and you wanted to leave that’s also your right. See this is reason I don’t like to talk politics. It’s not drinking “kool aid” I’m pretty sure I said I call out estuarine I think are doing the wrong think including people I support. Anyway life’s too shortMaddogSharp wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:. I love posts like this. “I dont agree with you so “I’m burying my head in the sand” 😂 Hate to break it to you but I’m not the one burying my head in the sand. I’m not influenced by rhetoric, the media, social media, or any of that stuff. I don’t want to be controlled or told what to do. I call out my party when I feel they are doing the wrong thing or not doing enough. Look you wanted to leave and that your right. I’m not here to convince you whereas you seem to be desperate to convince me and since I don’t budge I’m clueless apparently 😂 . Anyway hopefully you find peace take care.MaddogSharp wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:. That’s your opinion but I completely disagreeMaddogSharp wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:. I disagree that the modern Republicans have changed radically that’s just a narrative networks like CNN spin which is probably why their viewership is at the bottom. Look Trump is definitely brash and goes too far with things he says sometimes but i think why many support him is that he doesn’t back down. Yesterday was another example, comes within an inch of getting his head blown off but still let’s the crowd know he is ok and to keep fighting fir what they believe in. People who hate him are going yo hate him so nothing will change that. But I think when it comes to policy and State of the country that where I standMaddogSharp wrote:joec32033 wrote:100%. Look I’m not a Trump cheerleader I’m a conservative all my life. I don’t always agree on the way Trump puts things but I like his policies and similar to you I tend to agree what he says. I also dont like politics and normally never do this but this is something that hasn’t happened since Reagan so it’s scary that a assassination was an inch away from occurring and a 50 year old family man was murdered .MaddogSharp wrote:TheGame wrote:. I guess my point is it’s pretty impossible to stage somebody getting murdered and couple others getting seriously injured on live tv.MaddogSharp wrote:TheGame wrote:After reading more about the incident, I no longer think it could have been staged. I am said to hear that another man, besides the shooter, lost his life.. Anybody who thinks it was staged is either brainwashed or just not being objective. Pretty early in it was announced an innocent man in the crowd was killed and shot in the head. plus two others were critically wounded. That was soon after it happened so can’t stage that. If the situation was reversed I would also feel the same way even if it’s not the man I support. Human life is worth more especially American lifeThat is your opinion. I am neither brainwashed nor non-objective. I just would not take anything that happens with Trump at face value because Trump constantly creates drama and is constantly running cons. But as I stated, after reviewing the facts, it would appear highly unlikely that the shooting was staged.
I usually do not speak on politics I hate them. I consider myself a nothing in regards to democrat, republican, liberal, whatever. I just believe what is right is right now matter which side says it.
I am also not usually a conspiracy theorist. I don't like Biden but don't hate him, I tend to agree with much of what Trump says but HATE how he says it. He is purposely devisive
That being said, this sounds like a mix of the plots to the movies Shooter with Mark Wahlberg and the first Jack Reacher movie with Tom Cruise.
I'm a former conservative, I won't go into the litany of ways Trump is not true to conservative values and infact conservative values often make no sense and " Conservatives don't really mean what they say, just say whatever to gain power. I don't like politics but I'd rather be in a tent with people who disagree with me instead of the modern Republican party. You mention Reagan, Reagan today would be labeled a liberal RINO. When Trump is reelected it's going to be scary and disgraceful, circa Argentina and Chile in the 70s.
I don't watch CNN and you can't see how the Republican party is different then how it was when Reagan and Bush and even Nixon were ? I mean all generations of Republican use the dog whistle and the politics of grievance, and deference to the rich,that is constant thru the generations. However, when under Reagan and other Republican officials was it ok to put party over nation ? When was it conservative to betray allies like the Kurds, to alienate and wish to diminish NATO or look the other way when Russia threatens US interests and offers bounties on US troops ? That's just foreign policy. I don't even want to go on at a Sports site. What has emerged from Republican politics is a cancerous, anti
Democratic, disgrace. A healthier more centrist Republican party would contribute to healing the ills of this country, this current iteration is leading the nation to a right wing banana Republic, where legal precedence, political norms, and across the aisle cooperation is not only impossible but antithetical to the values of the right wing.As a former conservative, I realize how easy it for you to look the other way and bury your head in the sand. Gingrich, may have been the architect of this chaos, championed later by Hannity, Limbaugh, financed by the Koch Brothers, and given the intellectual framework of the Federalist Society,cause it just feels so right to have a avatar like Trump who speaks like Trumo does. I get it. I have lived it, I'm glad I left it behind.
Fake laughs to convey that my observations are not valid, sorry buddy, I see threw it. I don't believe it, I stand by my appraisal of the modern Republican party. You haven't told me how I'm wrong just I believe what I believe and your not right, so there, I am not listening to you, cause I agree with him, and I like him yadda yadda. But that's not my problem. You say your not influenced by media but the first thing you tell me is that I believe a CNN narrative. That sounds like projection from someone who surely does drink the Kool Aide of the Right wing media, why not just say " Lame Stream media " you know you want to. But anyway, we got the Knicks to keep us civil and share in common as America becomes Chile under Pinochet.
MaddogSharp wrote:foosballnick wrote:. Yes I can see it and yes I have followed Trump through this career but thanks …I guess. Anyway when it comes Down to him I love our history even the tough times and I love my country. He’s the candidate who most aligns with my views and it’s not even close. Some hate him and that’s their right but I stand by my decisionsMaddogSharp wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:. I disagree that the modern Republicans have changed radically that’s just a narrative networks like CNN spin which is probably why their viewership is at the bottom. Look Trump is definitely brash and goes too far with things he says sometimes but i think why many support him is that he doesn’t back down. Yesterday was another example, comes within an inch of getting his head blown off but still let’s the crowd know he is ok and to keep fighting fir what they believe in. People who hate him are going yo hate him so nothing will change that. But I think when it comes to policy and State of the country that where I standMaddogSharp wrote:joec32033 wrote:100%. Look I’m not a Trump cheerleader I’m a conservative all my life. I don’t always agree on the way Trump puts things but I like his policies and similar to you I tend to agree what he says. I also dont like politics and normally never do this but this is something that hasn’t happened since Reagan so it’s scary that a assassination was an inch away from occurring and a 50 year old family man was murdered .MaddogSharp wrote:TheGame wrote:. I guess my point is it’s pretty impossible to stage somebody getting murdered and couple others getting seriously injured on live tv.MaddogSharp wrote:TheGame wrote:After reading more about the incident, I no longer think it could have been staged. I am said to hear that another man, besides the shooter, lost his life.. Anybody who thinks it was staged is either brainwashed or just not being objective. Pretty early in it was announced an innocent man in the crowd was killed and shot in the head. plus two others were critically wounded. That was soon after it happened so can’t stage that. If the situation was reversed I would also feel the same way even if it’s not the man I support. Human life is worth more especially American lifeThat is your opinion. I am neither brainwashed nor non-objective. I just would not take anything that happens with Trump at face value because Trump constantly creates drama and is constantly running cons. But as I stated, after reviewing the facts, it would appear highly unlikely that the shooting was staged.
I usually do not speak on politics I hate them. I consider myself a nothing in regards to democrat, republican, liberal, whatever. I just believe what is right is right now matter which side says it.
I am also not usually a conspiracy theorist. I don't like Biden but don't hate him, I tend to agree with much of what Trump says but HATE how he says it. He is purposely devisive
That being said, this sounds like a mix of the plots to the movies Shooter with Mark Wahlberg and the first Jack Reacher movie with Tom Cruise.
I'm a former conservative, I won't go into the litany of ways Trump is not true to conservative values and infact conservative values often make no sense and " Conservatives don't really mean what they say, just say whatever to gain power. I don't like politics but I'd rather be in a tent with people who disagree with me instead of the modern Republican party. You mention Reagan, Reagan today would be labeled a liberal RINO. When Trump is reelected it's going to be scary and disgraceful, circa Argentina and Chile in the 70s.
Perhaps you can't see it but Trump is a Populist, not a conservative. If you followed or studied Trump for any length of time you would understand that he has thrived through the media his entire life.....first as a socialite, then in real estate/casinos, then various last name branding exercises such as wine, buildings, golf courses, books, university (now even a Trump Bible, NFTs and Sneakers) etc. then as a reality personality, then a Democrat, then running as an Independent, then as a Republican, then with his own social media platform. He has generally gone with which way offers him the best individual opportunity, generally without any moral conviction. Example....the guy who likely has not followed any type of religion or scripture is currently hucking Trump Bibles.
You haven't really expressed anything of substance regarding why you love Trump or what policies or principles you align with other than he's a tough guy. And when peope bring up something you just say you disagree without counter facts or even opinions. Frustrating and difficult to have a conversation when all someone is countering with is blind admiration for a politician.
MaddogSharp wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:. Again it seems like you’re more upset that I dont agree with you. If you go back I said “That’s your opinion you’re entitled to it and you wanted to leave that’s also your right. See this is reason I don’t like to talk politics. It’s not drinking “kool aid” I’m pretty sure I said I call out estuarine I think are doing the wrong think including people I support. Anyway life’s too shortMaddogSharp wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:. I love posts like this. “I dont agree with you so “I’m burying my head in the sand” 😂 Hate to break it to you but I’m not the one burying my head in the sand. I’m not influenced by rhetoric, the media, social media, or any of that stuff. I don’t want to be controlled or told what to do. I call out my party when I feel they are doing the wrong thing or not doing enough. Look you wanted to leave and that your right. I’m not here to convince you whereas you seem to be desperate to convince me and since I don’t budge I’m clueless apparently 😂 . Anyway hopefully you find peace take care.MaddogSharp wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:. That’s your opinion but I completely disagreeMaddogSharp wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:. I disagree that the modern Republicans have changed radically that’s just a narrative networks like CNN spin which is probably why their viewership is at the bottom. Look Trump is definitely brash and goes too far with things he says sometimes but i think why many support him is that he doesn’t back down. Yesterday was another example, comes within an inch of getting his head blown off but still let’s the crowd know he is ok and to keep fighting fir what they believe in. People who hate him are going yo hate him so nothing will change that. But I think when it comes to policy and State of the country that where I standMaddogSharp wrote:joec32033 wrote:100%. Look I’m not a Trump cheerleader I’m a conservative all my life. I don’t always agree on the way Trump puts things but I like his policies and similar to you I tend to agree what he says. I also dont like politics and normally never do this but this is something that hasn’t happened since Reagan so it’s scary that a assassination was an inch away from occurring and a 50 year old family man was murdered .MaddogSharp wrote:TheGame wrote:. I guess my point is it’s pretty impossible to stage somebody getting murdered and couple others getting seriously injured on live tv.MaddogSharp wrote:TheGame wrote:After reading more about the incident, I no longer think it could have been staged. I am said to hear that another man, besides the shooter, lost his life.. Anybody who thinks it was staged is either brainwashed or just not being objective. Pretty early in it was announced an innocent man in the crowd was killed and shot in the head. plus two others were critically wounded. That was soon after it happened so can’t stage that. If the situation was reversed I would also feel the same way even if it’s not the man I support. Human life is worth more especially American lifeThat is your opinion. I am neither brainwashed nor non-objective. I just would not take anything that happens with Trump at face value because Trump constantly creates drama and is constantly running cons. But as I stated, after reviewing the facts, it would appear highly unlikely that the shooting was staged.
I usually do not speak on politics I hate them. I consider myself a nothing in regards to democrat, republican, liberal, whatever. I just believe what is right is right now matter which side says it.
I am also not usually a conspiracy theorist. I don't like Biden but don't hate him, I tend to agree with much of what Trump says but HATE how he says it. He is purposely devisive
That being said, this sounds like a mix of the plots to the movies Shooter with Mark Wahlberg and the first Jack Reacher movie with Tom Cruise.
I'm a former conservative, I won't go into the litany of ways Trump is not true to conservative values and infact conservative values often make no sense and " Conservatives don't really mean what they say, just say whatever to gain power. I don't like politics but I'd rather be in a tent with people who disagree with me instead of the modern Republican party. You mention Reagan, Reagan today would be labeled a liberal RINO. When Trump is reelected it's going to be scary and disgraceful, circa Argentina and Chile in the 70s.
I don't watch CNN and you can't see how the Republican party is different then how it was when Reagan and Bush and even Nixon were ? I mean all generations of Republican use the dog whistle and the politics of grievance, and deference to the rich,that is constant thru the generations. However, when under Reagan and other Republican officials was it ok to put party over nation ? When was it conservative to betray allies like the Kurds, to alienate and wish to diminish NATO or look the other way when Russia threatens US interests and offers bounties on US troops ? That's just foreign policy. I don't even want to go on at a Sports site. What has emerged from Republican politics is a cancerous, anti
Democratic, disgrace. A healthier more centrist Republican party would contribute to healing the ills of this country, this current iteration is leading the nation to a right wing banana Republic, where legal precedence, political norms, and across the aisle cooperation is not only impossible but antithetical to the values of the right wing.As a former conservative, I realize how easy it for you to look the other way and bury your head in the sand. Gingrich, may have been the architect of this chaos, championed later by Hannity, Limbaugh, financed by the Koch Brothers, and given the intellectual framework of the Federalist Society,cause it just feels so right to have a avatar like Trump who speaks like Trumo does. I get it. I have lived it, I'm glad I left it behind.
Fake laughs to convey that my observations are not valid, sorry buddy, I see threw it. I don't believe it, I stand by my appraisal of the modern Republican party. You haven't told me how I'm wrong just I believe what I believe and your not right, so there, I am not listening to you, cause I agree with him, and I like him yadda yadda. But that's not my problem. You say your not influenced by media but the first thing you tell me is that I believe a CNN narrative. That sounds like projection from someone who surely does drink the Kool Aide of the Right wing media, why not just say " Lame Stream media " you know you want to. But anyway, we got the Knicks to keep us civil and share in common as America becomes Chile under Pinochet.
I don't know you so why do you think I'm so concerned about you disagree with me ? You know who disagrees with me ? My wife disagrees with me more then anyone else and I love her. Disagreement is not a cause of tension or stress for me. I learn from people who disagree with me every day cause I am open to being corrected. You haven't given me any counter argument to help me reevaluate my positions. From a personal perspective when I was a Conservative it was based on me thinking issues thru. Your turning my points that are not about you but about America in the macro and making it about me not liking you. I don't get it. But I'm going to watch Argentina face Columbia for the Copa de America. I find hope in the fact that Colombia went from right wing Govts then to a narco state that was a failed State to a much more stable democracy. And Argentina who went from generations as the prototypical Latin American State to a Democracy, where the people elect various kind of officials even their own right wing celebrity ideologue like Trump, but will vote him out if he fails. So there is hope for the US. Just hope we don't go thru a period of right wing violence and destruction of opposition for a decade or two like they did