Knicks · Landry Shamet, come on down! The Knicks definitely need more guards? (page 2)
JesseDark wrote:I got tell my mind to stop saying Landry Fields.
For me, my mind keeps saying Land Shark
Panos wrote:Rookie wrote:You can never have to much shootingCan you have too few centers?
I don’t think the FO anticipated losing iHart or trading for Bridges. They fixed the depth problem and added talent. They’ve been looking for options that fit our salary cap situation but notion has happened yet. The new cap restrictions are brutal. We have 3 rostered bigs, 1 two way and two in the G league to develop. It’s not like our FO sucks
DLeethal wrote:Maybe we trade Deuce for a C and these late moves make more sense BUT there is a piece of me who is taking all of these recent Randle plugs regarding his willingness to take on any role including a bench role and these late guard signings and thinking maybe it’s not crazy to think they are going to bring Randle off the bench as a supersub this year and go very guard/wing heavy 1-4 and wanted these extra shooters in the backcourt more than traditional bigs.
I think I missed a bunch of the Randle articles, this is intriguing. Was that just your extended take on things or did Randle kinda sorta imply?
Brunson, DDV, Mikal, OG, Mitch. With Mitch setting picks or standing in dunkers position.
Payne, Deuce, Hart, Randle, Precious. That second unit flattens you with bruisers. They all don’t to get minutes, plug and play depending on first unit flow and opponent.
I mean, that’s solid and spacious and rambunctious for downhill kinda guys with room to bump and grind and bruise just the way she likes it.
martin wrote:DLeethal wrote:Maybe we trade Deuce for a C and these late moves make more sense BUT there is a piece of me who is taking all of these recent Randle plugs regarding his willingness to take on any role including a bench role and these late guard signings and thinking maybe it’s not crazy to think they are going to bring Randle off the bench as a supersub this year and go very guard/wing heavy 1-4 and wanted these extra shooters in the backcourt more than traditional bigs.I think I missed a bunch of the Randle articles, this is intriguing. Was that just your extended take on things or did Randle kinda sorta imply?
Brunson, DDV, Mikal, OG, Mitch. With Mitch setting picks or standing in dunkers position.
Payne, Deuce, Hart, Randle, Precious. That second unit flattens you with bruisers. They all don’t to get minutes, plug and play depending on first unit flow and opponent.
I mean, that’s solid and spacious and rambunctious for downhill kinda guys with room to bump and grind and bruise just the way she likes it.
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I didn’t consider this a 1st off the bench comment. There isn’t enough context to read too much into it. But I took it to mean he would play the role requested of him with this personnel. For me, I am looking at this like the Death Lineup for GSW and Randle gets to reprise the role of Dray. I would see him as the post player in a motion offense. The screen assist guy with both a PnR and a PnP. And a corner guy in a 5 out.
I think the excitement is real here.
Brunson
DDV
Bridges
OG
Randle
Or
McBride
Hart
Bridges
OG
Robinson
Or
Brunson
DD
Hart
Bridges
OG
Or
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Bridges
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Randle
Robinson
Him to Charlotte for miles Bridges was an interesting take.
Im adding nick Richards to the mix.
Bridges and Nick Richards together make 30mil. You right there with Randles salary. Jules will still need to get paid. Im not a Miles Bridges fan given his domestic thuggery but the kid can play. He is the "anti randle". Jules married his college sweethart and seems to have a good marriage. Bridges, not so.
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Could he fit in with our core? We got high character guys.
Its the kind of talent consolidation Charlotte needs. randle with Lamelo and Brandon Miller is a good core. He brings leadership and can tell Lamelo all his Kobe stories. Lamelo I think gets traded eventually from CLT. That is one brain dead young man.
EwingsGlass wrote:martin wrote:DLeethal wrote:Maybe we trade Deuce for a C and these late moves make more sense BUT there is a piece of me who is taking all of these recent Randle plugs regarding his willingness to take on any role including a bench role and these late guard signings and thinking maybe it’s not crazy to think they are going to bring Randle off the bench as a supersub this year and go very guard/wing heavy 1-4 and wanted these extra shooters in the backcourt more than traditional bigs.I think I missed a bunch of the Randle articles, this is intriguing. Was that just your extended take on things or did Randle kinda sorta imply?
Brunson, DDV, Mikal, OG, Mitch. With Mitch setting picks or standing in dunkers position.
Payne, Deuce, Hart, Randle, Precious. That second unit flattens you with bruisers. They all don’t to get minutes, plug and play depending on first unit flow and opponent.
I mean, that’s solid and spacious and rambunctious for downhill kinda guys with room to bump and grind and bruise just the way she likes it.
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Click here to view the TweetI didn’t consider this a 1st off the bench comment. There isn’t enough context to read too much into it. But I took it to mean he would play the role requested of him with this personnel. For me, I am looking at this like the Death Lineup for GSW and Randle gets to reprise the role of Dray. I would see him as the post player in a motion offense. The screen assist guy with both a PnR and a PnP. And a corner guy in a 5 out.
I think the excitement is real here.
Brunson
DDV
Bridges
OG
RandleOr
McBride
Hart
Bridges
OG
RobinsonOr
Brunson
DD
Hart
Bridges
OGOr
Brunson
Bridges
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Robinson
This is the second time Begley mentioned it. First time was last month in a fan Q&A, which I cannot find the original source but plenty of references to it from mid August chatter on socials if you search.
In a new fan Q&A column Begley was asked if Randle would be open to becoming the second unit center next season. A case could be made that the best possible starting lineup next season would see Mitchell Robinson at center. OG Anunoby at power forward, Josh Hart as the swingman, Mikal Bridges as the off-guard, and Jalen Brunson at point.
https://sportsnaut.com/julius-randle-surprise-new-new-york-knicks-role/
So basically Begley has hinted at this twice.
Back to Shamet, its a great depth signing. He has one high level NBA skill, which happens to be the most valued skill these days. Not saying we're gonna trade Deuce, but IMO the Knicks know Deuce has a ton of trade value and if the right deal comes along and the Knicks have the right need, there is the possibility of depth behind him.
VDesai wrote:I don't see Randle with the bench, but as we know Thibs likes to stagger a starter in with the 2nd unit and you know he likes to play Hart with a lot of the starters. I think Randle could play the RJ role with the 2nd unit this year.Back to Shamet, its a great depth signing. He has one high level NBA skill, which happens to be the most valued skill these days. Not saying we're gonna trade Deuce, but IMO the Knicks know Deuce has a ton of trade value and if the right deal comes along and the Knicks have the right need, there is the possibility of depth behind him.
You nailed it for me. Deuce is like their ace in the hole player.
Keep him and he could be wildly good and overlap a lot of other guys who do pretty much the same thing. And he has a TON of trade value when you need it.
martin wrote:VDesai wrote:I don't see Randle with the bench, but as we know Thibs likes to stagger a starter in with the 2nd unit and you know he likes to play Hart with a lot of the starters. I think Randle could play the RJ role with the 2nd unit this year.Back to Shamet, its a great depth signing. He has one high level NBA skill, which happens to be the most valued skill these days. Not saying we're gonna trade Deuce, but IMO the Knicks know Deuce has a ton of trade value and if the right deal comes along and the Knicks have the right need, there is the possibility of depth behind him.
You nailed it for me. Deuce is like their ace in the hole player.
Keep him and he could be wildly good and overlap a lot of other guys who do pretty much the same thing. And he has a TON of trade value when you need it.
DDV and Hart's trade value is also very high right now. Just saying, if you take a big swing it's going to hurt a little. We are on a precipice where trades are going to be VERY difficult to execute and make the $$$ work
Rookie wrote:martin wrote:VDesai wrote:I don't see Randle with the bench, but as we know Thibs likes to stagger a starter in with the 2nd unit and you know he likes to play Hart with a lot of the starters. I think Randle could play the RJ role with the 2nd unit this year.Back to Shamet, its a great depth signing. He has one high level NBA skill, which happens to be the most valued skill these days. Not saying we're gonna trade Deuce, but IMO the Knicks know Deuce has a ton of trade value and if the right deal comes along and the Knicks have the right need, there is the possibility of depth behind him.
You nailed it for me. Deuce is like their ace in the hole player.
Keep him and he could be wildly good and overlap a lot of other guys who do pretty much the same thing. And he has a TON of trade value when you need it.
DDV and Hart's trade value is also very high right now. Just saying, if you take a big swing it's going to hurt a little. We are on a precipice where trades are going to be VERY difficult to execute and make the $$$ work
I mean, I am pretty sure the JB/DDV/JH/MB core is what this team is building around - that Nova chemistry. You have OG, JR and MR as other higher salary pieces to maneuver with. I don't see them trading either of DDV or JH. I don't see them trading OG either. I could see them moving any of JR, MR, Deuce, Achiuwa if the right trade came along. But no need to force it.
This is what I would do if they were available after December 15.
Deuce for Walker Kessler
Achiuwa for Nick Walker
JR for JJJ
MR for Herb Jones.
Brunson / Payne / Kolek
Bridges / DDV / Shamet
OG / Hart / Diadet
JJJ / Jones / KBD
Kessler / Walker / Sims
martin wrote:^ EwingsGlass, you meant Nick Richardson not Walker, right? That’s a really good idea, whole post.
I did mean Richards. Had Walker Kessler on the brain.
EwingsGlass wrote:martin wrote:^ EwingsGlass, you meant Nick Richardson not Walker, right? That’s a really good idea, whole post.I did mean Richards. Had Walker Kessler on the brain.
The one thing that has sparked something for me that seems obvious to watch is what New Orleans is going to do. Too many wings and exactly 1 rookie drafted #21 Yves Missi at center and Mitch just sitting there.
Herb Jones’s contract and player type exactly what the Knicks would be open too; obviously other domino would have to line up but it just feels too right *if* this was even on the horizon.
Everyone would want to see Mitch play some games. Brandon Ingram on an expiring.
Interesting opportunities just sitting there. Utah got too many centers and bigs.
martin wrote:^ EwingsGlass, you meant Nick Richardson not Walker, right? That’s a really good idea, whole post.
I agree, very good concepts. Not sure about trade values been in line.
I don't see a need for Herb Jones and with Brandon Ingram not being a high trade asset given his salary demands Jones whose range has improved might be in line to for a bigger role going forward.
Mitch in Nola would be nice for him if he is moved. Knicks do try to take care of its guys.
We have many questions. WE don't even know if Randle has been offered an extension or he simply wants his freedom and market value.
His last two seasons have not ended well and objectively knicks are doing the right thing. "Objectively" is not easy for a fan to conjure. Naturally we all assume he is devoted to Knicks and the return to CAA was to a good indicator but here we are. He has a good year his price goes up. If not, he opts in and gives it another try or is traded.
Im not in love with Bridges at the two and his inclusion makes for a bit unorthodox roster given our situation at the 5 and how stacked we are at the other 4 positions.
Leon knows what he is doing but fans are left scratching their heads. Its logical Randle gets traded for a 5.
Nalod wrote:martin wrote:^ EwingsGlass, you meant Nick Richardson not Walker, right? That’s a really good idea, whole post.I agree, very good concepts. Not sure about trade values been in line.
I don't see a need for Herb Jones and with Brandon Ingram not being a high trade asset given his salary demands Jones whose range has improved might be in line to for a bigger role going forward.Mitch in Nola would be nice for him if he is moved. Knicks do try to take care of its guys.
We have many questions. WE don't even know if Randle has been offered an extension or he simply wants his freedom and market value.
His last two seasons have not ended well and objectively knicks are doing the right thing. "Objectively" is not easy for a fan to conjure. Naturally we all assume he is devoted to Knicks and the return to CAA was to a good indicator but here we are. He has a good year his price goes up. If not, he opts in and gives it another try or is traded.Im not in love with Bridges at the two and his inclusion makes for a bit unorthodox roster given our situation at the 5 and how stacked we are at the other 4 positions.
Leon knows what he is doing but fans are left scratching their heads. Its logical Randle gets traded for a 5.
Why would you have an issue with Bridges lining up at the 2? He guards 1-4. OG guards 2-5. The term SG and SF are virtually meaningless where a player has the footspeed and wingspan to guard 4 positions. Even less when they have two.
On offense, the opposing team has to put their 3rd or 4th best defender on him. Last year, Bridges had to work of their best defender. Does Philly put Maxey on Brunson or Bridges? They probably need to put Oubre on Bridges due to wingspan meaning that Brunson gets the easier defender. Celts put White on Brunson. Brown on Bridges. Tatum on OG. Holiday on Randle. Zinger on Robinson. Both Randle and Robinson have the advantage on the block IMO. I don't think Holiday can bang with Randle. I don't think KP bodies well against Robinson, he's better from 27 feet out.
My point is that having OG and Bridges on the court at the same time is an insane advantage.
EwingsGlass wrote:Nalod wrote:martin wrote:^ EwingsGlass, you meant Nick Richardson not Walker, right? That’s a really good idea, whole post.I agree, very good concepts. Not sure about trade values been in line.
I don't see a need for Herb Jones and with Brandon Ingram not being a high trade asset given his salary demands Jones whose range has improved might be in line to for a bigger role going forward.Mitch in Nola would be nice for him if he is moved. Knicks do try to take care of its guys.
We have many questions. WE don't even know if Randle has been offered an extension or he simply wants his freedom and market value.
His last two seasons have not ended well and objectively knicks are doing the right thing. "Objectively" is not easy for a fan to conjure. Naturally we all assume he is devoted to Knicks and the return to CAA was to a good indicator but here we are. He has a good year his price goes up. If not, he opts in and gives it another try or is traded.Im not in love with Bridges at the two and his inclusion makes for a bit unorthodox roster given our situation at the 5 and how stacked we are at the other 4 positions.
Leon knows what he is doing but fans are left scratching their heads. Its logical Randle gets traded for a 5.
Why would you have an issue with Bridges lining up at the 2? He guards 1-4. OG guards 2-5. The term SG and SF are virtually meaningless where a player has the footspeed and wingspan to guard 4 positions. Even less when they have two.
On offense, the opposing team has to put their 3rd or 4th best defender on him. Last year, Bridges had to work of their best defender. Does Philly put Maxey on Brunson or Bridges? They probably need to put Oubre on Bridges due to wingspan meaning that Brunson gets the easier defender. Celts put White on Brunson. Brown on Bridges. Tatum on OG. Holiday on Randle. Zinger on Robinson. Both Randle and Robinson have the advantage on the block IMO. I don't think Holiday can bang with Randle. I don't think KP bodies well against Robinson, he's better from 27 feet out.
My point is that having OG and Bridges on the court at the same time is an insane advantage.
OG and Mikal are going to make Thibs insane in the membrane.
EwingsGlass wrote:Nalod wrote:martin wrote:^ EwingsGlass, you meant Nick Richardson not Walker, right? That’s a really good idea, whole post.I agree, very good concepts. Not sure about trade values been in line.
I don't see a need for Herb Jones and with Brandon Ingram not being a high trade asset given his salary demands Jones whose range has improved might be in line to for a bigger role going forward.Mitch in Nola would be nice for him if he is moved. Knicks do try to take care of its guys.
We have many questions. WE don't even know if Randle has been offered an extension or he simply wants his freedom and market value.
His last two seasons have not ended well and objectively knicks are doing the right thing. "Objectively" is not easy for a fan to conjure. Naturally we all assume he is devoted to Knicks and the return to CAA was to a good indicator but here we are. He has a good year his price goes up. If not, he opts in and gives it another try or is traded.Im not in love with Bridges at the two and his inclusion makes for a bit unorthodox roster given our situation at the 5 and how stacked we are at the other 4 positions.
Leon knows what he is doing but fans are left scratching their heads. Its logical Randle gets traded for a 5.
Why would you have an issue with Bridges lining up at the 2? He guards 1-4. OG guards 2-5. The term SG and SF are virtually meaningless where a player has the footspeed and wingspan to guard 4 positions. Even less when they have two.
On offense, the opposing team has to put their 3rd or 4th best defender on him. Last year, Bridges had to work of their best defender. Does Philly put Maxey on Brunson or Bridges? They probably need to put Oubre on Bridges due to wingspan meaning that Brunson gets the easier defender. Celts put White on Brunson. Brown on Bridges. Tatum on OG. Holiday on Randle. Zinger on Robinson. Both Randle and Robinson have the advantage on the block IMO. I don't think Holiday can bang with Randle. I don't think KP bodies well against Robinson, he's better from 27 feet out.
My point is that having OG and Bridges on the court at the same time is an insane advantage.
Offensively I like the range DDV brings. I don' have an issue with Mikal at the two.
"Not loving it" is perhaps saying "Im not convinced"......
Currently constructed I do see Mikal at the two and im sure the other advantages depicted could be great as hoped. Perhaps Im fixated on Jules being traded and OG sliding to the 4. Im mostly open minded. We got a lot of talent!
martin wrote:Is there a world where Mikal comes off the bench? Or is that an original sin too just like Randle coming off bench or playing C?
in a world were Manu Ginobli did its not crazy. Easy to say it was brilliant after winning 4 chips in 5x to finals!
Dude only made 2 Allstar games and won 6th man of the year once!!!
He is enshrined in the HOF!!!! Played a lot of games, playoff games and was clutch on both sides of the floor.
Mikal can be the man on a shit team but he is should be very valuable cog on a winning machine. I can see him off the bench in that role and perhaps its a niche he might agree to. Question is in this era the money matters and how you spend it does as well.
How would that affect Josh Hart? In the end the final path to a chip might not include all the 'Nova boys.
Kind of strange paying a guy 20plus mil and he a bench player. Mikal is a hell of a player and might be a bit overrated/Hyped coming in but that does not lessen his importance on the court. Jalen demonstrated an unselfish act and is now the captain. Mikal still has two years left on his deal and perhaps they are all in on winning. So if coming off the bench is the path, perhaps he will.
Comparisons to the legacy Reed/Clyde teams are valid given the friendships but if that is to be special a chip or two will be necessary. There is a great story in the making here. Lets hope it plays out with the proper ending!!!