Knicks · I Can't Get Over Losing Donte (page 1)
I know it's "just a business", but that's a quote I hear about teams before the fall apart. I know his production can be replaced, but I feel there was something special in what they had last year. It was bad enough losing IHart, which they had no control over, and he brought so much toughness and rebounding that we cannot reproduce (even with a health Mitchell). But that was something that HAD to be replaced. Donte was a big part of the success last year, and so much of the heart of the Knicks. I just can't get over them trading him, and I think a part of what was special last year might be gone. Julius I felt probably needed to be moved, and I like KAT, but I just cant shake losing Donte. It just feels "wrong".
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toodarkmark wrote:I know I should move on, but I can't get over the Knicks trading Donte Divincenzo.I know it's "just a business", but that's a quote I hear about teams before the fall apart. I know his production can be replaced, but I feel there was something special in what they had last year. It was bad enough losing IHart, which they had no control over, and he brought so much toughness and rebounding that we cannot reproduce (even with a health Mitchell). But that was something that HAD to be replaced. Donte was a big part of the success last year, and so much of the heart of the Knicks. I just can't get over them trading him, and I think a part of what was special last year might be gone. Julius I felt probably needed to be moved, and I like KAT, but I just cant shake losing Donte. It just feels "wrong".
As long as we succeed, you will move on. Last season was special and Donte finished really well when he was about last man standing. His 39pt effort with Brunson out was special in a losing cause.
Knicks are a culture and players are finding success here. KAT MIGHT elevate the whole thing if is healthy and the chemistry is right. We felt awful losing RJ and IQ given they "Grew up" as knicks but OG quickly won us over.
That trade also free up Deuce.
Mikal is a big piece whose talents exceed what we lost in DDV.
DDV gave us moments. Perhaps we'll have them again with KAT and Mikal.
toodarkmark wrote:I know I should move on, but I can't get over the Knicks trading Donte Divincenzo.I know it's "just a business", but that's a quote I hear about teams before the fall apart. I know his production can be replaced, but I feel there was something special in what they had last year. It was bad enough losing IHart, which they had no control over, and he brought so much toughness and rebounding that we cannot reproduce (even with a health Mitchell). But that was something that HAD to be replaced. Donte was a big part of the success last year, and so much of the heart of the Knicks. I just can't get over them trading him, and I think a part of what was special last year might be gone. Julius I felt probably needed to be moved, and I like KAT, but I just cant shake losing Donte. It just feels "wrong".
I think every Knicks fan has that player and attachments.
Hopefully Mikal wins us over and fill the gap.
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toodarkmark wrote:I know I should move on, but I can't get over the Knicks trading Donte Divincenzo.it's a downer. We knew there was gonna be a ton of turnover. In hindsight it was always gonna be a total roster overhaul and sadly homegrown talent is part of the "war chest."I know it's "just a business", but that's a quote I hear about teams before the fall apart. I know his production can be replaced, but I feel there was something special in what they had last year. It was bad enough losing IHart, which they had no control over, and he brought so much toughness and rebounding that we cannot reproduce (even with a health Mitchell). But that was something that HAD to be replaced. Donte was a big part of the success last year, and so much of the heart of the Knicks. I just can't get over them trading him, and I think a part of what was special last year might be gone. Julius I felt probably needed to be moved, and I like KAT, but I just cant shake losing Donte. It just feels "wrong".
Donte reminded me of Starks. Shoot. Slash. Attack. Crash. Full throttle. It is a TOUGH loss. I dont think he wanted to leave but I do think he's not the biggest fan of this area and prefers something like Minn. They really kinda made the trade for Donte because of his contract. Lets them flip Randle (remember they are cost cutting and likely not giving him the bag) and have more depth around Ant/DD/Rudy/Naz
Fucking loved DD and that beating he gave Phili is etched in Knick lore. If we win a chip DD will have been a building piece and a part of that.
Now... that being said Mikal in this role of 3rd scorer and defender is nuts. Mikal/Brunson/Josh is gonna be a very nice rebound relationship. I am feeling very positive about this. Hang in there. I feel you
EwingsGlass wrote:I feel ya. Trades for good players hurt.
Adult trades always should hurt, that's when you know it was good.
martin wrote:toodarkmark wrote:I know I should move on, but I can't get over the Knicks trading Donte Divincenzo.I know it's "just a business", but that's a quote I hear about teams before the fall apart. I know his production can be replaced, but I feel there was something special in what they had last year. It was bad enough losing IHart, which they had no control over, and he brought so much toughness and rebounding that we cannot reproduce (even with a health Mitchell). But that was something that HAD to be replaced. Donte was a big part of the success last year, and so much of the heart of the Knicks. I just can't get over them trading him, and I think a part of what was special last year might be gone. Julius I felt probably needed to be moved, and I like KAT, but I just cant shake losing Donte. It just feels "wrong".
I think every Knicks fan has that player and attachments.
Hopefully Mikal wins us over and fill the gap.
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Mikal Bridges was my favorite player NOT on the Knicks, and I was beyond elated when they got him. But I really enjoyed the Villanova Four "thing", and lament it's loss, even though I've wanted Bridges on the Knicks since he was sitting there at #9. But just as John Starks was traded for Latrell, hopefully it makes the team better.
fishmike wrote:toodarkmark wrote:I know I should move on, but I can't get over the Knicks trading Donte Divincenzo.it's a downer. We knew there was gonna be a ton of turnover. In hindsight it was always gonna be a total roster overhaul and sadly homegrown talent is part of the "war chest."I know it's "just a business", but that's a quote I hear about teams before the fall apart. I know his production can be replaced, but I feel there was something special in what they had last year. It was bad enough losing IHart, which they had no control over, and he brought so much toughness and rebounding that we cannot reproduce (even with a health Mitchell). But that was something that HAD to be replaced. Donte was a big part of the success last year, and so much of the heart of the Knicks. I just can't get over them trading him, and I think a part of what was special last year might be gone. Julius I felt probably needed to be moved, and I like KAT, but I just cant shake losing Donte. It just feels "wrong".
Donte reminded me of Starks. Shoot. Slash. Attack. Crash. Full throttle. It is a TOUGH loss. I dont think he wanted to leave but I do think he's not the biggest fan of this area and prefers something like Minn. They really kinda made the trade for Donte because of his contract. Lets them flip Randle (remember they are cost cutting and likely not giving him the bag) and have more depth around Ant/DD/Rudy/Naz
Fucking loved DD and that beating he gave Phili is etched in Knick lore. If we win a chip DD will have been a building piece and a part of that.
Now... that being said Mikal in this role of 3rd scorer and defender is nuts. Mikal/Brunson/Josh is gonna be a very nice rebound relationship. I am feeling very positive about this. Hang in there. I feel you
Yeah, it's the Starks thing. John Starks was my favorite Knick from 91 until 98, and when he got traded it was devastating. I never saw Mikal as the replacement for DD, and DD was going to be the bench scorer. I think his "replacement" is going to be McBride, who is so good as well. I'm feeling positive too, it's just that Philly shot was kind of "the dunk" of last season, and now the guy who got the offensive rebound and the guy who hit the shot are gone, and that's tough.
toodarkmark wrote:I know I should move on, but I can't get over the Knicks trading Donte Divincenzo.I know it's "just a business", but that's a quote I hear about teams before the fall apart. I know his production can be replaced, but I feel there was something special in what they had last year. It was bad enough losing IHart, which they had no control over, and he brought so much toughness and rebounding that we cannot reproduce (even with a health Mitchell). But that was something that HAD to be replaced. Donte was a big part of the success last year, and so much of the heart of the Knicks. I just can't get over them trading him, and I think a part of what was special last year might be gone. Julius I felt probably needed to be moved, and I like KAT, but I just cant shake losing Donte. It just feels "wrong".
Oh brother. Cry me a river.
No, really. I hate to cry alone.
toodarkmark wrote:martin wrote:toodarkmark wrote:I know I should move on, but I can't get over the Knicks trading Donte Divincenzo.I know it's "just a business", but that's a quote I hear about teams before the fall apart. I know his production can be replaced, but I feel there was something special in what they had last year. It was bad enough losing IHart, which they had no control over, and he brought so much toughness and rebounding that we cannot reproduce (even with a health Mitchell). But that was something that HAD to be replaced. Donte was a big part of the success last year, and so much of the heart of the Knicks. I just can't get over them trading him, and I think a part of what was special last year might be gone. Julius I felt probably needed to be moved, and I like KAT, but I just cant shake losing Donte. It just feels "wrong".
I think every Knicks fan has that player and attachments.
Hopefully Mikal wins us over and fill the gap.
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Click here to view the TweetMikal Bridges was my favorite player NOT on the Knicks, and I was beyond elated when they got him. But I really enjoyed the Villanova Four "thing", and lament it's loss, even though I've wanted Bridges on the Knicks since he was sitting there at #9. But just as John Starks was traded for Latrell, hopefully it makes the team better.
I can see how this will lead to a therapy session or 2.
While he was groomsman at Brunson wedding he got very drunk and was talking shit about making way for Bridges and going to the bench. I heard the "Brunson Big head Jokes were a bit out of hand.
IM just making this shit up but if it makes you feel better then run with it!
toodarkmark wrote:I know I should move on, but I can't get over the Knicks trading Donte Divincenzo.I know it's "just a business", but that's a quote I hear about teams before the fall apart. I know his production can be replaced, but I feel there was something special in what they had last year. It was bad enough losing IHart, which they had no control over, and he brought so much toughness and rebounding that we cannot reproduce (even with a health Mitchell). But that was something that HAD to be replaced. Donte was a big part of the success last year, and so much of the heart of the Knicks. I just can't get over them trading him, and I think a part of what was special last year might be gone. Julius I felt probably needed to be moved, and I like KAT, but I just cant shake losing Donte. It just feels "wrong".
Feel he is still on the team, just wears a Shamet jersey.
Think by mid season, you will notice Shamet does some of the same things and is also not afraid to shoot. Which we all came to appreciate about Divo. But yes, will be missed.
nyvector16 wrote:There were reports of Donte not liking his new role and expressing as much to management. Also reports Julius Randle also expressed connern about his role. Both players were not exactly thrilled with the direction of the team and what that direction meant for their playing time. I think we hit a home run with the Towns trade. Fixed a giant hole in the starting lineup and addressed other issues as well.
The one about DDV has been debunked.
As for Jules, I think its complicated. I think its a bit mutual logic wise and perhaps the tone of responses tell a story.
Jules if he wanted a bigger payday had to have a big role. On a team that adding more talent that would be difficult.
He had no limitations but a 15% kicker which was under 5mil I believe. His fit for Minny? Not our problem. Given his contract we did a bit of over pay to move him but Knicks were ready to move on and randle could have walked for nothing so we got value back.
Jules was really ok to play some 5? or just saying the right thing?
Maybe we can put some of the CAA stuff to be as he came back to CAA and fans thought he'd do a discount and stay. Nope, he got a Sketchers deal and has to be cool with all his public displays. Thus, he'll be peachy in Minny and perhaps they extend him? Thats a good team he is on.
As for DDV coming off the bench? Not sure why that would be an issue with 3 years left on his contract and he playing with his buds vying for a chip. Many things can happen in 3 years so I doubt that was an issue. He was not paid starter money. Knicks gave him a nice deal and a great opportunity.
Not sure we can really do the "Well they were not happy so its for the best"....or "good riddance". This trade will be judged by the season(s) and their outcomes.
DDV can be an Allstar but if knicks win a chip its all good!!!!
Minny vs. NY final!!!! Good drama. That happens both teams won the trade.
I agree with Hahn that if you finish top 4 you had a damn good season! Do it for a few years it can be frustrating to be knocking on the door.
Look at his earnings history: https://www.spotrac.com/nba/player/earni...
He more than doubled his earnings and got 4 years solid. That brings peace of mind and financial security.
Now look at reality which was his stats: https://www.basketball-reference.com/pla...
Before last year when he played 81 games, the year before with GSW he played 72 and earned about 4.5mil which was the most they could pay him. He took a two year with an opt out after one. We more than doubled his pay and gave 4 years!!! Prior to GSW he had injury issues playing just 27 games, then another 66 game season. To be fair he did have a 66 game seaosn but that was the bubble season which was cut short. His second year Then he got traded to SAC.
His season in GSW gave him a taste of a well run franchise and playing with 3 HOF and no doubt got his shot fixed.
Im not saying by any stretch we trade him at peak because I think he has figured a lot of things out and he is going to a really good team. So he should be successful.
No doubt after two years at this level he'd be paid more but the league was likely not sold he'd be durable long term given his history and inconsistent shooting.
In his second year he started and played just 3 games in Mil run to its chip. Looks like he got hurt in the 3rd game of the opening round and was done for the rest of the season.
Looking at game logs that year he was erratic and its why at some point he was traded the next year and Milwaukee was in win now mode to keep Giannis happy. Players are not plug and play like video games and his time in Sac was not great given the personel they had then.
The DDV we had last year started to form in GSW. Lets not forget off the bench he did not start the season well but in time Grimes faltered and he won the spot.
Like most I hate that he was traded and loved that swagger!
He had his best season with us. But to insinuate he was all that prior is not at all what his career has been. That we did him a favor? I don't agree. I don't think we hurt him at all though as he is in a situation to start I believe and that team should contend well. With three years to his next payday that is too far off to ponder. Odds are he is traded if he continues to succeed has he has.