Knicks · Leon Rose - best NY Knick GM of all time (page 2)

jaydh wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:
As for the Ewing trade, I blame Ewing most of all for forcing the Knicks hand, insisting on being traded immediately, instead of waiting until the offseason, when Grunfeld could have made a better deal.

He probably should have been traded back in '96 for Shaq.. which is what some were trying to do.

Was never happening. Shaq was locked in on going to LA for his movie career

2. Grunfeld probably still best Knicks GM of the past 30 years

jaydh wrote:Riley wanted part ownership.

That changed everything. The dolans were never giving Riley part ownership of MSG. Otherwise last 30 years is totally different. We probably win at least 1-2 championships and Riley tanks 2003 to get one of Lebron, Melo or Wade.

BigDaddyG wrote:When is the best GM of all time going to bring in decent bench players?

I like our bench, actually. We just started playing them a week ago it seems. Starters playing 48 mins a game to start the season definitely kick started their chemistry, so bench never had a chance to gel. They have time to do so for the playoffs. OG's injury will speed up that process

ramtour420 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:When is the best GM of all time going to bring in decent bench players?

I like our bench, actually. We just started playing them a week ago it seems. Starters playing 48 mins a game to start the season definitely kick started their chemistry, so bench never had a chance to gel. They have time to do so for the playoffs. OG's injury will speed up that process

Shamet has to go

Philc1 wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:When is the best GM of all time going to bring in decent bench players?

I like our bench, actually. We just started playing them a week ago it seems. Starters playing 48 mins a game to start the season definitely kick started their chemistry, so bench never had a chance to gel. They have time to do so for the playoffs. OG's injury will speed up that process

Shamet has to go

why? We upped his minutes and we won 5 in a row.
You have a suitable replacement or just a child like concept of one?

martin wrote:Not sure I’d seen this before

This was a really good timeline and breakdown.

Nalod wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:When is the best GM of all time going to bring in decent bench players?

I like our bench, actually. We just started playing them a week ago it seems. Starters playing 48 mins a game to start the season definitely kick started their chemistry, so bench never had a chance to gel. They have time to do so for the playoffs. OG's injury will speed up that process

Shamet has to go

why? We upped his minutes and we won 5 in a row.

Yes Nalod the 5 wins in a row were because of Landry Shamet coming off the bench. Do you think before you post?

Philc1 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:When is the best GM of all time going to bring in decent bench players?

I like our bench, actually. We just started playing them a week ago it seems. Starters playing 48 mins a game to start the season definitely kick started their chemistry, so bench never had a chance to gel. They have time to do so for the playoffs. OG's injury will speed up that process

Shamet has to go

why? We upped his minutes and we won 5 in a row.

Yes Nalod the 5 wins in a row were because of Landry Shamet coming off the bench. Do you think before you post?

Yes. Knicks have a formula. It does not work all the time or execute. Nobody said SHamet was MVP. He was an ingredient.
Your an adult, you get this.

Nalod wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:When is the best GM of all time going to bring in decent bench players?

I like our bench, actually. We just started playing them a week ago it seems. Starters playing 48 mins a game to start the season definitely kick started their chemistry, so bench never had a chance to gel. They have time to do so for the playoffs. OG's injury will speed up that process

Shamet has to go

why? We upped his minutes and we won 5 in a row.

Yes Nalod the 5 wins in a row were because of Landry Shamet coming off the bench. Do you think before you post?

Yes. Knicks have a formula. It does not work all the time or execute. Nobody said SHamet was MVP. He was an ingredient.
Your an adult, you get this.

First, you guys should start a sitcom.

Second, think once we get MR back, we will actually have a capable bench.
Most who have shown to be quite capable. Including Shamet. Who if given reasonable time to get his game back after injury. should get back to the level he played at prior to injury.
Btw, Bench only needs 4. Due to Thibs preference for a 9 man rotation.
So MR, Precious, Deuce, Payne with Shamet as situational is not bad.
Any trade (especially one involving Shamet) would be a lateral move. One that would return a player with limitations and who would need time to get comfortable with the system and new players.
Unless one thinks we can get a Butler or Beal for Sims or Shamet?

Key now is to get guys back off injury list and keep guys off it.

BigDaddyG wrote:When is the best GM of all time going to bring in decent bench players?

Our Prez is dead to me!
He got us KAT instead of Luka!

HofstraBBall wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:When is the best GM of all time going to bring in decent bench players?

I like our bench, actually. We just started playing them a week ago it seems. Starters playing 48 mins a game to start the season definitely kick started their chemistry, so bench never had a chance to gel. They have time to do so for the playoffs. OG's injury will speed up that process

Shamet has to go

why? We upped his minutes and we won 5 in a row.

Yes Nalod the 5 wins in a row were because of Landry Shamet coming off the bench. Do you think before you post?

Yes. Knicks have a formula. It does not work all the time or execute. Nobody said SHamet was MVP. He was an ingredient.
Your an adult, you get this.

First, you guys should start a sitcom.

Second, think once we get MR back, we will actually have a capable bench.
Most who have shown to be quite capable. Including Shamet. Who if given reasonable time to get his game back after injury. should get back to the level he played at prior to injury.
Btw, Bench only needs 4. Due to Thibs preference for a 9 man rotation.
So MR, Precious, Deuce, Payne with Shamet as situational is not bad.
Any trade (especially one involving Shamet) would be a lateral move. One that would return a player with limitations and who would need time to get comfortable with the system and new players.
Unless one thinks we can get a Butler or Beal for Sims or Shamet?

Key now is to get guys back off injury list and keep guys off it.

No sitcom. How many punchlines can one use with "ELF"?
Sitcomes need be fresh and not predicable. Using Silver as scapegoat to or TV ratings and only ratings as measure is limited.
But if we must then perhaps a series loosely based on "Rainman" were Nalod is an NBA GM has to take PHilC to meetings and PhilC starts going off on Elf and Silver.
The effort is a distraction as the real genius behind PHilC is his super intellect to crunch numbers. A sort of "Brock Aller" but a total hot mess of a person. Nalod gets him to trade meetings and while others are rolling their eyes to the hot mess that is in front of them, Nalod is able to construct trades and unravel conspiracies understanding PhilC secret language. In season 2, the president of the USA, a sort of Trumpian character recognizes his genius and makes him Secretary of State. Phil's penchant for making up things delights the president but at some point the president takes his word on something and then embarrasses him. Then he starts making fun of him. Meanwhile Elfred Payton is superhero and saves the day as he is puts his country first. PhilC can't see this and still uses the punchline over and over and over and over again. Elf is too busy counting his career earnings to then acknowledge PhilC. Nalod, who is now living in the basement of his parents house plots his revenge for season 3.

He is giving an effort, but we need our 8th man/reserve wing to have enough size to guard whomever OG might be matched up with when he is off the floor or injured. Okeke or Warren just make more sense as 6'8" with requisite strength. They can make 34-35 pct on 3 which is as good as Shamet anyway.

VDesai wrote:Not that this is a serious conversation, but Shamet is an issue in the sense that his main value is making 3s and he is not doing it. On top of that we are trying to play him at the 3 and he doesn't have the size. He should be guarding 2s and 1s. It was a joke having him guard Lebron. He got manhandled.

He is giving an effort, but we need our 8th man/reserve wing to have enough size to guard whomever OG might be matched up with when he is off the floor or injured. Okeke or Warren just make more sense as 6'8" with requisite strength. They can make 34-35 pct on 3 which is as good as Shamet anyway.

Your not wrong. Thibs was trying Shamet with his quickness. My take (im repeating myself) is when a player is tasked with something new or at a level not asked of him before then another part of the game suffers. Easier to see it with the young guys we had. They make progress, then take a step or two back until another layer is added. Shamet is tasked with a defensive intensity he might not have been accustomed to and perhaps he is here with a longer leash that a rookie while he gets up to speed. Thibs is patient when he sees something. Fans are not. Im guessing. Okeke is more of a 4 in my opinion and he too is trying to resurrect his career. TJ? Same thing?
We don't win a chip without OG. That much is pretty clear, he makes us elite in spurts.

If OG is out for a long time, and Mitch can ramp up I'd like to see a twin tower attempt if Thibs thinks it worthy. Dallas might do this with Gifford-Lively/AD.
Boston with KP/Horford/Novak, and Clev with Mobley/Allen. Im not sleeping on Dallas with this trade Sunday morning.

I trust Leon and Company a lot.

We have an undersized 2 already that makes 3's in Deuce.

I'm not confident Warren or Okeke could hold up, but they have the size to play the role we need, which is take some minutes burdens off OG and have a passable wing defender with size when OG is out. IF OG is out extended, we are fucked, fair, but we need to not drop all 10 games if he's out 10 games. If someone can play that role and not get steamrolled that would make a massive difference.

I think its nice to have Shamet on the team as a guy who's a shooter who can get hot or play useful mins if Deuce or Cam are out.

Nalod wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:When is the best GM of all time going to bring in decent bench players?

I like our bench, actually. We just started playing them a week ago it seems. Starters playing 48 mins a game to start the season definitely kick started their chemistry, so bench never had a chance to gel. They have time to do so for the playoffs. OG's injury will speed up that process

Shamet has to go

why? We upped his minutes and we won 5 in a row.
You have a suitable replacement or just a child like concept of one?

He’s had his O-face on for as long as I can remember. 0-4. 0-1. 0-2. 0-1.

It’s easy to give Phil snarky responses for his quips. But he’s not wrong. Not a lot of value for a 3pt sniper that can’t snipe.

We don’t really have salary for a replacement in a waive situation. But Inwould include him as salary dump anywhere I could.