Knicks · Leon Rose - best NY Knick GM of all time (page 4)
Panos wrote:GustavBahler wrote:On a fun ranking, Leon is up there with the best, making the Knicks watchable again.Until we see some playoff success, deep runs in the playoffs, right now he's ranked with every other Knicks GM/Pres with his playoff record. 4 plus years in. Results matter.
If its another early exit, is Leon really the best? Im guessing this is our best chance to make a deep run in many years, that would be something worth celebrating.
If you can't see a difference between where this team got in 4 years after 20 years as a steaming pile of dog shit, I don't know what to tell you.
I want the Knicks to go farther than those dog shit teams. Calling Rose "the best exec ever" in the 79 year history of the team with 2nd round exits at best?
Im happy about the Knicks being fun again. Have said it repeatedly.
The "best exec ever" stuff can wait until the body of work is worth comparing. Too soon
martin wrote:BigRedDog wrote:martin wrote:Walt toohttps://www.nytimes.com/athletic/1822733...
‘He tees it up for everybody’: What a longtime Jazz exec brings to the Knicks
Mike VorkunovIn 2001, Kevin O’Connor made his first hire as the head of the Jazz front office. He brought on Walt Perrin to run player personnel for Utah, impressed by the track record he put together for the Pistons and in need of someone who could the same for the Jazz.
Over the 19 years since, the Jazz have made more than a handful of gilded draft picks. Perrin pushed O’Connor to trade up to No. 3 in 2005, high enough to choose between Deron Williams and Chris Paul. “He said, ‘We have to get one of those two guys,'” O’Connor recalled, “‘because they’re going to be a franchise changer.’”
The Jazz picked future All-Stars with the 47th overall picks in 2003 (Mo Williams) and 2006 (Paul Millsap). Utah selected Gordon Hayward at No. 9 in 2010. Rudy Gobert, originally drafted by Denver but immediately traded to Utah, was a steal at No. 27 in 2013. The Jazz took Donovan Mitchell 13th in 2017 and watched him blossom into an All-Star.
“That’s one constant throughout all of that,” O’Connor said. “And that was Walt.”
Now, Perrin will bring that resume and scouting eye to New York. He will come in to be the Knicks assistant general manager in charge of college scouting, league sources said. The hire will be the second one made by new team president Leon Rose after he brought in Brock Aller in April as a VP of basketball strategy and kept Scott Perry as the Knicks general manager.
Perrin’s addition has been well-received after he played a large role in helping Utah have a number of successful drafts over his nearly two decades with the organization. He has earned a reputation as a well-connected and well-liked executive with a keen approach to the draft. Perrin was not the sole voice making picks with the Jazz, but as VP of player personnel, he was an integral part of advising O’Connor and then Dennis Lindsey in a string of draft-night successes. The Jazz were not without their mistakes over the last 19 years (Trey Burke and Dante Exum are two), but the franchise drafted six players who would become All-Stars in that time.
“I think he has a unique ability … to evaluate their transition into being a successful pro, both in character and personality for the franchise and the place that you’re at and overall talent,” O’Connor said. “Obviously you have to be good enough to play, but there’s other factors involved.”
Added O’Connor: “He’s the collector of information, and he tees it up for everybody. Then it gets to be a decision that is bandied around.”
Said Rick Sund, a longtime NBA executive and Pistons GM when Perrin was in Detroit: “Walt’s a respected guy within the industry, especially on the scouting side.”
Rose will have made his biggest shakeup yet to the scouting department when Perrin comes aboard. The Knicks have had limited prosperity in the draft over the last decade. Of their 15 picks in the last 10 years, Kristaps Porzingis is the lone All-Star, while Mitchell Robinson, drafted by the front office Rose inherited, is a second-round steal.
The Jazz landed two franchise pillars in that time. They traded for Gobert, a lanky and long center out of France, on draft night, and he is now the two-time reigning Defensive Player of the Year.
In 2017, Perrin convinced Mitchell’s agent to bring his client to Salt Lake City for a workout despite initial trepidation and the Jazz’s lack of a lottery pick. Then the Jazz traded up from 24 to 13 to select the steal of the draft.
“Walt was able to get him in and everybody obviously fell in love with him,” said O’Connor, now a senior consultant for the franchise. “Walt had already expressed that he thought (Mitchell) was a lottery pick.”
While parsing credit can be difficult, Perrin, one person with knowledge of the Jazz drafts said, had a “big role” in those picks, noting Utah’s general manager relies on the information Perrin gathers before making a deal or selection.
Perrin will be in a similar position in New York as the Knicks prepare for the 2020 draft, which is still scheduled for late June but seems likely to be moved. The league suspended its season in mid-March, but has yet to cancel it or announce any schedule to restart it. The draft combine and lottery, which were both scheduled for this week, have been postponed.
The Knicks have the sixth-worst record in the league and could pick anywhere from first to ninth, and Rose will be at the helm of his first draft. By bringing in Perrin, the Knicks not only add a well-respected executive, but also someone who has already done the work in preparing for the draft.
The 2020 draft will be another crucial one for the Knicks. They’ll hold a high lottery pick for the fourth straight season, but in a draft that has been described as weaker than usual.
Perrin will come to New York under those circumstances after a career mostly spent in a few places. He was an assistant coach at Northwestern for 12 years, working for Tex Winter, the great sage of the triangle offense, for the first four seasons from 1974-78. He spent nine seasons with the Pistons as an assistant coach and as the team’s scouting director.
When Perrin discussed the possibility of a new job with O’Connor, he had no reservations about taking it, his old boss said.
“It’s a great opportunity and I think Walt really liked the idea of another challenge,” O’Connor said. “I think Utah was a place that he’d been comfortable at for 19 years and done a terrific job. He could have rode off into the sunset, but I think he really wants to tie it on a little bit and take the challenge on. Figure out a way to get to ’70 and ’73 when the Knicks won the world championship.”
So 2020 was Perrins 1st draft with the Knicks. Believe me I'm sure he is great and hindsight is 20/20 but we picked Obi instead of Halliburton that year
.I always thought the Obi pick was a Leon, Uncle Wes pick. Don’t know if those were rumors or just understood thinking
I think the fact that Leon 's son represented Obi did play a part. How big? Couldn't give you a percentage. But the pick did make sense at the time when you consider how much smoke there was surrounding a Randle trade at the time.
Context of the moment. It was a different draft. A very different draft. A lot of teams got a lot of things wrong.
I suppose we need hindsight and a chip so Gustav can be happy. He is not wrong, but.....Leon. has done a hell of a job in 5 years has done things nobody imagined possible.
Nalod wrote:Rose the best? Can't say that. Don't forget Sonny Werblin! I sure as hell try to!!
I suppose we need hindsight and a chip so Gustav can be happy. He is not wrong, but.....Leon. has done a hell of a job in 5 years has done things nobody imagined possible.
Have said repeatedly that I would consider this regime to be a success if we were in the hunt for a few years, making it to the ECF, the Finals, not necessarily winning. Only one team can win it all, and there a lot of good teams out there.
What I don’t want is to crown Leon the best ever after 5 years, and second round exits at best. That’s crossing the line between fan and fanboy. We have the worst bench in the league right now. We gave up 5frps for a player who had been in the league 6 years, and never made an all-star team. Like other GMs, Rose has made some questionable decisions. Which is why I don’t believe we should be crowning Leon the best ever until we see more than early exits. We can appreciate what Leon has done to make the Knicks respectable again without deifying him..not yet anyway.
GustavBahler wrote:Panos wrote:GustavBahler wrote:On a fun ranking, Leon is up there with the best, making the Knicks watchable again.Until we see some playoff success, deep runs in the playoffs, right now he's ranked with every other Knicks GM/Pres with his playoff record. 4 plus years in. Results matter.
If its another early exit, is Leon really the best? Im guessing this is our best chance to make a deep run in many years, that would be something worth celebrating.
If you can't see a difference between where this team got in 4 years after 20 years as a steaming pile of dog shit, I don't know what to tell you.I want the Knicks to go farther than those dog shit teams. Calling Rose "the best exec ever" in the 79 year history of the team with 2nd round exits at best?
Im happy about the Knicks being fun again. Have said it repeatedly.
The "best exec ever" stuff can wait until the body of work is worth comparing. Too soon
You are right, however, Rose and Perry both inherited a dumpster fire when they got here. Phil Jackson had slept his entire tenure here and we ended up with a roster of Kevin Knox, Frank and not much else I think Mitch is the only guy remaining from 2018.
BigDaddyG wrote:martin wrote:BigRedDog wrote:martin wrote:Walt toohttps://www.nytimes.com/athletic/1822733...
‘He tees it up for everybody’: What a longtime Jazz exec brings to the Knicks
Mike VorkunovIn 2001, Kevin O’Connor made his first hire as the head of the Jazz front office. He brought on Walt Perrin to run player personnel for Utah, impressed by the track record he put together for the Pistons and in need of someone who could the same for the Jazz.
Over the 19 years since, the Jazz have made more than a handful of gilded draft picks. Perrin pushed O’Connor to trade up to No. 3 in 2005, high enough to choose between Deron Williams and Chris Paul. “He said, ‘We have to get one of those two guys,'” O’Connor recalled, “‘because they’re going to be a franchise changer.’”
The Jazz picked future All-Stars with the 47th overall picks in 2003 (Mo Williams) and 2006 (Paul Millsap). Utah selected Gordon Hayward at No. 9 in 2010. Rudy Gobert, originally drafted by Denver but immediately traded to Utah, was a steal at No. 27 in 2013. The Jazz took Donovan Mitchell 13th in 2017 and watched him blossom into an All-Star.
“That’s one constant throughout all of that,” O’Connor said. “And that was Walt.”
Now, Perrin will bring that resume and scouting eye to New York. He will come in to be the Knicks assistant general manager in charge of college scouting, league sources said. The hire will be the second one made by new team president Leon Rose after he brought in Brock Aller in April as a VP of basketball strategy and kept Scott Perry as the Knicks general manager.
Perrin’s addition has been well-received after he played a large role in helping Utah have a number of successful drafts over his nearly two decades with the organization. He has earned a reputation as a well-connected and well-liked executive with a keen approach to the draft. Perrin was not the sole voice making picks with the Jazz, but as VP of player personnel, he was an integral part of advising O’Connor and then Dennis Lindsey in a string of draft-night successes. The Jazz were not without their mistakes over the last 19 years (Trey Burke and Dante Exum are two), but the franchise drafted six players who would become All-Stars in that time.
“I think he has a unique ability … to evaluate their transition into being a successful pro, both in character and personality for the franchise and the place that you’re at and overall talent,” O’Connor said. “Obviously you have to be good enough to play, but there’s other factors involved.”
Added O’Connor: “He’s the collector of information, and he tees it up for everybody. Then it gets to be a decision that is bandied around.”
Said Rick Sund, a longtime NBA executive and Pistons GM when Perrin was in Detroit: “Walt’s a respected guy within the industry, especially on the scouting side.”
Rose will have made his biggest shakeup yet to the scouting department when Perrin comes aboard. The Knicks have had limited prosperity in the draft over the last decade. Of their 15 picks in the last 10 years, Kristaps Porzingis is the lone All-Star, while Mitchell Robinson, drafted by the front office Rose inherited, is a second-round steal.
The Jazz landed two franchise pillars in that time. They traded for Gobert, a lanky and long center out of France, on draft night, and he is now the two-time reigning Defensive Player of the Year.
In 2017, Perrin convinced Mitchell’s agent to bring his client to Salt Lake City for a workout despite initial trepidation and the Jazz’s lack of a lottery pick. Then the Jazz traded up from 24 to 13 to select the steal of the draft.
“Walt was able to get him in and everybody obviously fell in love with him,” said O’Connor, now a senior consultant for the franchise. “Walt had already expressed that he thought (Mitchell) was a lottery pick.”
While parsing credit can be difficult, Perrin, one person with knowledge of the Jazz drafts said, had a “big role” in those picks, noting Utah’s general manager relies on the information Perrin gathers before making a deal or selection.
Perrin will be in a similar position in New York as the Knicks prepare for the 2020 draft, which is still scheduled for late June but seems likely to be moved. The league suspended its season in mid-March, but has yet to cancel it or announce any schedule to restart it. The draft combine and lottery, which were both scheduled for this week, have been postponed.
The Knicks have the sixth-worst record in the league and could pick anywhere from first to ninth, and Rose will be at the helm of his first draft. By bringing in Perrin, the Knicks not only add a well-respected executive, but also someone who has already done the work in preparing for the draft.
The 2020 draft will be another crucial one for the Knicks. They’ll hold a high lottery pick for the fourth straight season, but in a draft that has been described as weaker than usual.
Perrin will come to New York under those circumstances after a career mostly spent in a few places. He was an assistant coach at Northwestern for 12 years, working for Tex Winter, the great sage of the triangle offense, for the first four seasons from 1974-78. He spent nine seasons with the Pistons as an assistant coach and as the team’s scouting director.
When Perrin discussed the possibility of a new job with O’Connor, he had no reservations about taking it, his old boss said.
“It’s a great opportunity and I think Walt really liked the idea of another challenge,” O’Connor said. “I think Utah was a place that he’d been comfortable at for 19 years and done a terrific job. He could have rode off into the sunset, but I think he really wants to tie it on a little bit and take the challenge on. Figure out a way to get to ’70 and ’73 when the Knicks won the world championship.”
So 2020 was Perrins 1st draft with the Knicks. Believe me I'm sure he is great and hindsight is 20/20 but we picked Obi instead of Halliburton that year
.I always thought the Obi pick was a Leon, Uncle Wes pick. Don’t know if those were rumors or just understood thinking
I think the fact that Leon 's son represented Obi did play a part. How big? Couldn't give you a percentage. But the pick did make sense at the time when you consider how much smoke there was surrounding a Randle trade at the time.
The Obi pick pushed and motivated Randle to become a better player. You can say Thibs developed him, age-wise he entered his prime but fact is prior to 2020 Randle up until that point was a poor man’s Zach Randolph or Clarence Weatherspoon. Randle seeing the Knicks draft his replacement definitely lit a fire under him
Philc1 wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Panos wrote:GustavBahler wrote:On a fun ranking, Leon is up there with the best, making the Knicks watchable again.Until we see some playoff success, deep runs in the playoffs, right now he's ranked with every other Knicks GM/Pres with his playoff record. 4 plus years in. Results matter.
If its another early exit, is Leon really the best? Im guessing this is our best chance to make a deep run in many years, that would be something worth celebrating.
If you can't see a difference between where this team got in 4 years after 20 years as a steaming pile of dog shit, I don't know what to tell you.I want the Knicks to go farther than those dog shit teams. Calling Rose "the best exec ever" in the 79 year history of the team with 2nd round exits at best?
Im happy about the Knicks being fun again. Have said it repeatedly.
The "best exec ever" stuff can wait until the body of work is worth comparing. Too soon
You are right, however, Rose and Perry both inherited a dumpster fire when they got here. Phil Jackson had slept his entire tenure here and we ended up with a roster of Kevin Knox, Frank and not much else I think Mitch is the only guy remaining from 2018.
Perry made sure that Rose didn’t have a dumpster fire to deal with when he took the job. He had more cap room than almost any other team, and more surplus picks. He had Randle on a good deal. RJ and Mitch (when healthy) on every level there was something to build on.
Imagine if Rose had inherited a capped out team, most picks traded away, and nothing but bloated contracts spent on retreads. Unlike most Knick execs, Rose was one of the very few team Pres in decades who didn’t come in having to deal with these problems. Easily shaved a couple of seasons off a rebuild.
Leon has done some very good things, but he hasn’t done enough to be called the best Knicks exec ever, not yet.
Philc1 wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:martin wrote:BigRedDog wrote:martin wrote:Walt toohttps://www.nytimes.com/athletic/1822733...
‘He tees it up for everybody’: What a longtime Jazz exec brings to the Knicks
Mike VorkunovIn 2001, Kevin O’Connor made his first hire as the head of the Jazz front office. He brought on Walt Perrin to run player personnel for Utah, impressed by the track record he put together for the Pistons and in need of someone who could the same for the Jazz.
Over the 19 years since, the Jazz have made more than a handful of gilded draft picks. Perrin pushed O’Connor to trade up to No. 3 in 2005, high enough to choose between Deron Williams and Chris Paul. “He said, ‘We have to get one of those two guys,'” O’Connor recalled, “‘because they’re going to be a franchise changer.’”
The Jazz picked future All-Stars with the 47th overall picks in 2003 (Mo Williams) and 2006 (Paul Millsap). Utah selected Gordon Hayward at No. 9 in 2010. Rudy Gobert, originally drafted by Denver but immediately traded to Utah, was a steal at No. 27 in 2013. The Jazz took Donovan Mitchell 13th in 2017 and watched him blossom into an All-Star.
“That’s one constant throughout all of that,” O’Connor said. “And that was Walt.”
Now, Perrin will bring that resume and scouting eye to New York. He will come in to be the Knicks assistant general manager in charge of college scouting, league sources said. The hire will be the second one made by new team president Leon Rose after he brought in Brock Aller in April as a VP of basketball strategy and kept Scott Perry as the Knicks general manager.
Perrin’s addition has been well-received after he played a large role in helping Utah have a number of successful drafts over his nearly two decades with the organization. He has earned a reputation as a well-connected and well-liked executive with a keen approach to the draft. Perrin was not the sole voice making picks with the Jazz, but as VP of player personnel, he was an integral part of advising O’Connor and then Dennis Lindsey in a string of draft-night successes. The Jazz were not without their mistakes over the last 19 years (Trey Burke and Dante Exum are two), but the franchise drafted six players who would become All-Stars in that time.
“I think he has a unique ability … to evaluate their transition into being a successful pro, both in character and personality for the franchise and the place that you’re at and overall talent,” O’Connor said. “Obviously you have to be good enough to play, but there’s other factors involved.”
Added O’Connor: “He’s the collector of information, and he tees it up for everybody. Then it gets to be a decision that is bandied around.”
Said Rick Sund, a longtime NBA executive and Pistons GM when Perrin was in Detroit: “Walt’s a respected guy within the industry, especially on the scouting side.”
Rose will have made his biggest shakeup yet to the scouting department when Perrin comes aboard. The Knicks have had limited prosperity in the draft over the last decade. Of their 15 picks in the last 10 years, Kristaps Porzingis is the lone All-Star, while Mitchell Robinson, drafted by the front office Rose inherited, is a second-round steal.
The Jazz landed two franchise pillars in that time. They traded for Gobert, a lanky and long center out of France, on draft night, and he is now the two-time reigning Defensive Player of the Year.
In 2017, Perrin convinced Mitchell’s agent to bring his client to Salt Lake City for a workout despite initial trepidation and the Jazz’s lack of a lottery pick. Then the Jazz traded up from 24 to 13 to select the steal of the draft.
“Walt was able to get him in and everybody obviously fell in love with him,” said O’Connor, now a senior consultant for the franchise. “Walt had already expressed that he thought (Mitchell) was a lottery pick.”
While parsing credit can be difficult, Perrin, one person with knowledge of the Jazz drafts said, had a “big role” in those picks, noting Utah’s general manager relies on the information Perrin gathers before making a deal or selection.
Perrin will be in a similar position in New York as the Knicks prepare for the 2020 draft, which is still scheduled for late June but seems likely to be moved. The league suspended its season in mid-March, but has yet to cancel it or announce any schedule to restart it. The draft combine and lottery, which were both scheduled for this week, have been postponed.
The Knicks have the sixth-worst record in the league and could pick anywhere from first to ninth, and Rose will be at the helm of his first draft. By bringing in Perrin, the Knicks not only add a well-respected executive, but also someone who has already done the work in preparing for the draft.
The 2020 draft will be another crucial one for the Knicks. They’ll hold a high lottery pick for the fourth straight season, but in a draft that has been described as weaker than usual.
Perrin will come to New York under those circumstances after a career mostly spent in a few places. He was an assistant coach at Northwestern for 12 years, working for Tex Winter, the great sage of the triangle offense, for the first four seasons from 1974-78. He spent nine seasons with the Pistons as an assistant coach and as the team’s scouting director.
When Perrin discussed the possibility of a new job with O’Connor, he had no reservations about taking it, his old boss said.
“It’s a great opportunity and I think Walt really liked the idea of another challenge,” O’Connor said. “I think Utah was a place that he’d been comfortable at for 19 years and done a terrific job. He could have rode off into the sunset, but I think he really wants to tie it on a little bit and take the challenge on. Figure out a way to get to ’70 and ’73 when the Knicks won the world championship.”
So 2020 was Perrins 1st draft with the Knicks. Believe me I'm sure he is great and hindsight is 20/20 but we picked Obi instead of Halliburton that year
.I always thought the Obi pick was a Leon, Uncle Wes pick. Don’t know if those were rumors or just understood thinking
I think the fact that Leon 's son represented Obi did play a part. How big? Couldn't give you a percentage. But the pick did make sense at the time when you consider how much smoke there was surrounding a Randle trade at the time.The Obi pick pushed and motivated Randle to become a better player. You can say Thibs developed him, age-wise he entered his prime but fact is prior to 2020 Randle up until that point was a poor man’s Zach Randolph or Clarence Weatherspoon. Randle seeing the Knicks draft his replacement definitely lit a fire under him
You said "Definitely". You must be a real insider to say that without any sources to cite.
Nalod wrote:Philc1 wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:martin wrote:BigRedDog wrote:martin wrote:Walt toohttps://www.nytimes.com/athletic/1822733...
‘He tees it up for everybody’: What a longtime Jazz exec brings to the Knicks
Mike VorkunovIn 2001, Kevin O’Connor made his first hire as the head of the Jazz front office. He brought on Walt Perrin to run player personnel for Utah, impressed by the track record he put together for the Pistons and in need of someone who could the same for the Jazz.
Over the 19 years since, the Jazz have made more than a handful of gilded draft picks. Perrin pushed O’Connor to trade up to No. 3 in 2005, high enough to choose between Deron Williams and Chris Paul. “He said, ‘We have to get one of those two guys,'” O’Connor recalled, “‘because they’re going to be a franchise changer.’”
The Jazz picked future All-Stars with the 47th overall picks in 2003 (Mo Williams) and 2006 (Paul Millsap). Utah selected Gordon Hayward at No. 9 in 2010. Rudy Gobert, originally drafted by Denver but immediately traded to Utah, was a steal at No. 27 in 2013. The Jazz took Donovan Mitchell 13th in 2017 and watched him blossom into an All-Star.
“That’s one constant throughout all of that,” O’Connor said. “And that was Walt.”
Now, Perrin will bring that resume and scouting eye to New York. He will come in to be the Knicks assistant general manager in charge of college scouting, league sources said. The hire will be the second one made by new team president Leon Rose after he brought in Brock Aller in April as a VP of basketball strategy and kept Scott Perry as the Knicks general manager.
Perrin’s addition has been well-received after he played a large role in helping Utah have a number of successful drafts over his nearly two decades with the organization. He has earned a reputation as a well-connected and well-liked executive with a keen approach to the draft. Perrin was not the sole voice making picks with the Jazz, but as VP of player personnel, he was an integral part of advising O’Connor and then Dennis Lindsey in a string of draft-night successes. The Jazz were not without their mistakes over the last 19 years (Trey Burke and Dante Exum are two), but the franchise drafted six players who would become All-Stars in that time.
“I think he has a unique ability … to evaluate their transition into being a successful pro, both in character and personality for the franchise and the place that you’re at and overall talent,” O’Connor said. “Obviously you have to be good enough to play, but there’s other factors involved.”
Added O’Connor: “He’s the collector of information, and he tees it up for everybody. Then it gets to be a decision that is bandied around.”
Said Rick Sund, a longtime NBA executive and Pistons GM when Perrin was in Detroit: “Walt’s a respected guy within the industry, especially on the scouting side.”
Rose will have made his biggest shakeup yet to the scouting department when Perrin comes aboard. The Knicks have had limited prosperity in the draft over the last decade. Of their 15 picks in the last 10 years, Kristaps Porzingis is the lone All-Star, while Mitchell Robinson, drafted by the front office Rose inherited, is a second-round steal.
The Jazz landed two franchise pillars in that time. They traded for Gobert, a lanky and long center out of France, on draft night, and he is now the two-time reigning Defensive Player of the Year.
In 2017, Perrin convinced Mitchell’s agent to bring his client to Salt Lake City for a workout despite initial trepidation and the Jazz’s lack of a lottery pick. Then the Jazz traded up from 24 to 13 to select the steal of the draft.
“Walt was able to get him in and everybody obviously fell in love with him,” said O’Connor, now a senior consultant for the franchise. “Walt had already expressed that he thought (Mitchell) was a lottery pick.”
While parsing credit can be difficult, Perrin, one person with knowledge of the Jazz drafts said, had a “big role” in those picks, noting Utah’s general manager relies on the information Perrin gathers before making a deal or selection.
Perrin will be in a similar position in New York as the Knicks prepare for the 2020 draft, which is still scheduled for late June but seems likely to be moved. The league suspended its season in mid-March, but has yet to cancel it or announce any schedule to restart it. The draft combine and lottery, which were both scheduled for this week, have been postponed.
The Knicks have the sixth-worst record in the league and could pick anywhere from first to ninth, and Rose will be at the helm of his first draft. By bringing in Perrin, the Knicks not only add a well-respected executive, but also someone who has already done the work in preparing for the draft.
The 2020 draft will be another crucial one for the Knicks. They’ll hold a high lottery pick for the fourth straight season, but in a draft that has been described as weaker than usual.
Perrin will come to New York under those circumstances after a career mostly spent in a few places. He was an assistant coach at Northwestern for 12 years, working for Tex Winter, the great sage of the triangle offense, for the first four seasons from 1974-78. He spent nine seasons with the Pistons as an assistant coach and as the team’s scouting director.
When Perrin discussed the possibility of a new job with O’Connor, he had no reservations about taking it, his old boss said.
“It’s a great opportunity and I think Walt really liked the idea of another challenge,” O’Connor said. “I think Utah was a place that he’d been comfortable at for 19 years and done a terrific job. He could have rode off into the sunset, but I think he really wants to tie it on a little bit and take the challenge on. Figure out a way to get to ’70 and ’73 when the Knicks won the world championship.”
So 2020 was Perrins 1st draft with the Knicks. Believe me I'm sure he is great and hindsight is 20/20 but we picked Obi instead of Halliburton that year
.I always thought the Obi pick was a Leon, Uncle Wes pick. Don’t know if those were rumors or just understood thinking
I think the fact that Leon 's son represented Obi did play a part. How big? Couldn't give you a percentage. But the pick did make sense at the time when you consider how much smoke there was surrounding a Randle trade at the time.The Obi pick pushed and motivated Randle to become a better player. You can say Thibs developed him, age-wise he entered his prime but fact is prior to 2020 Randle up until that point was a poor man’s Zach Randolph or Clarence Weatherspoon. Randle seeing the Knicks draft his replacement definitely lit a fire under him
You said "Definitely". You must be a real insider to say that without any sources to cite.
That might have been part of it. I do remember Randle working his butt off in the offseason, came back in great shape Thib’s first season as Knicks head coach, and looked like a different player from the jump. Not nearly as many “spinovers” as well. Much more aggressive, better at sharing the rock.
What we know is Randle got better every year statistically and did well in Nola.
THe Fiz years was a shit show. Kp never played for him.
And yes, Phil Jax who had but two 1st round picks in 4 drafts did not trade or starphuch the picks. Jax sleepy as he was tried to put a decent team on teh court while building with yoot. Not saying it executed, but he helped in his own way. If allowed to trade KP before he got hurt things would have been very different so its hard to project what would have happend. Of course Jax wanted the Triangle to persist.
PYes, Leon had a sort of blank canvas. Cap space, picks, and above all patience.
IM rather fond of Grunfeld and perhaps in hindsight if he was allowed to prevail perhaps Ewing gets made gone and Don Nelson persists in ushering the uptempo era. WE'll never know.
Mills did good with Randle. Under Thibs he became an Allstar and twice all NBA. Did the fear of OBI really drive a man to those levels?
I think OBI represented a new direction of uptempo ball that Thibs/Leon envisioned.
Nalod wrote:We can create what ever fables we wish without knowledge.What we know is Randle got better every year statistically and did well in Nola.
THe Fiz years was a shit show. Kp never played for him.
And yes, Phil Jax who had but two 1st round picks in 4 drafts did not trade or starphuch the picks. Jax sleepy as he was tried to put a decent team on teh court while building with yoot. Not saying it executed, but he helped in his own way. If allowed to trade KP before he got hurt things would have been very different so its hard to project what would have happend. Of course Jax wanted the Triangle to persist.
PYes, Leon had a sort of blank canvas. Cap space, picks, and above all patience.IM rather fond of Grunfeld and perhaps in hindsight if he was allowed to prevail perhaps Ewing gets made gone and Don Nelson persists in ushering the uptempo era. WE'll never know.
Mills did good with Randle. Under Thibs he became an Allstar and twice all NBA. Did the fear of OBI really drive a man to those levels?
I think OBI represented a new direction of uptempo ball that Thibs/Leon envisioned.
So Did Eddy Curry before he was traded to NY.
You honestly dont remember what Randle's game was like pre-Thibs? He often played out of control, endless spinovers, bad decision making. From the start of Thibs first season as coach, Randle played more under control, was racking up double-digit assists games, he was a different player. One exception was the lack of clutch, that really didnt change much during his time in NY.