Knicks · Should we freak out about Bridges? (page 2)

martin wrote:

Panos wrote:

VDesai wrote:While Bridges is playing like crap, would you insert McBride into the SL over him?

I'm still thinking, as I thought from the beginning that Hart + Bridges + OG is not the desired 2-3-4 players. At the time, though I thought it would be Hart to the bench for Precious. Even though I thought Bridges was an overpay (something which Martin made sure to call me "insane" for thinking), I didn't expect him to come off the bench. Now I don't know WHO should be starting. If Precious over Bridges, we have no real 2 guard in the line up. At this point, I would 100% trade Mikal for DVD and hope he could round back into the shape he was in with us last year - only I don't think we're allowed to.
JB
DDV
Hart
OG
KAT

I definitely have made the statement that no sane person in the NBA thinks Mikal was only marginally better than DDV.

It might make sense for you to quote me instead of whatever you are trying to do.

Both players have played poorly this year.

Do you stand by that statement?
Mikal is more than marginally better than DDV and its not debatable?

Mikal is in his head…it is expectations and the weight of the Knicks jersey….he has a support system on the team and will get it sorted out

Panos wrote:

martin wrote:

Panos wrote:

VDesai wrote:While Bridges is playing like crap, would you insert McBride into the SL over him?

I'm still thinking, as I thought from the beginning that Hart + Bridges + OG is not the desired 2-3-4 players. At the time, though I thought it would be Hart to the bench for Precious. Even though I thought Bridges was an overpay (something which Martin made sure to call me "insane" for thinking), I didn't expect him to come off the bench. Now I don't know WHO should be starting. If Precious over Bridges, we have no real 2 guard in the line up. At this point, I would 100% trade Mikal for DVD and hope he could round back into the shape he was in with us last year - only I don't think we're allowed to.
JB
DDV
Hart
OG
KAT

I definitely have made the statement that no sane person in the NBA thinks Mikal was only marginally better than DDV.

It might make sense for you to quote me instead of whatever you are trying to do.

Both players have played poorly this year.

Do you stand by that statement?
Mikal is more than marginally better than DDV and its not debatable?

Small sample set. I don’t know the decision making that made Mikal choose to tweak his shot immediately before the season. Whatever happened, we are here. But DDV isn’t doing so great in Minnesota either. So if we are placing the best version of DDV vs the worst version of Mikal, then yeah you can make an argument.

Let the man work his shot out. He is a stud.

Panos wrote:

martin wrote:

Panos wrote:

VDesai wrote:While Bridges is playing like crap, would you insert McBride into the SL over him?

I'm still thinking, as I thought from the beginning that Hart + Bridges + OG is not the desired 2-3-4 players. At the time, though I thought it would be Hart to the bench for Precious. Even though I thought Bridges was an overpay (something which Martin made sure to call me "insane" for thinking), I didn't expect him to come off the bench. Now I don't know WHO should be starting. If Precious over Bridges, we have no real 2 guard in the line up. At this point, I would 100% trade Mikal for DVD and hope he could round back into the shape he was in with us last year - only I don't think we're allowed to.
JB
DDV
Hart
OG
KAT

I definitely have made the statement that no sane person in the NBA thinks Mikal was only marginally better than DDV.

It might make sense for you to quote me instead of whatever you are trying to do.

Both players have played poorly this year.

Do you stand by that statement?
Mikal is more than marginally better than DDV and its not debatable?

I stand by it and it’s not debatable. Mikal’s best is better than DDV’s best and if we’re going by this year his worst is better than DDVs worst. Dante is having a career worst year but is close to his career averages across the board. Last year was actually the outlier for him.

Panos wrote:

martin wrote:

Panos wrote:

VDesai wrote:While Bridges is playing like crap, would you insert McBride into the SL over him?

I'm still thinking, as I thought from the beginning that Hart + Bridges + OG is not the desired 2-3-4 players. At the time, though I thought it would be Hart to the bench for Precious. Even though I thought Bridges was an overpay (something which Martin made sure to call me "insane" for thinking), I didn't expect him to come off the bench. Now I don't know WHO should be starting. If Precious over Bridges, we have no real 2 guard in the line up. At this point, I would 100% trade Mikal for DVD and hope he could round back into the shape he was in with us last year - only I don't think we're allowed to.
JB
DDV
Hart
OG
KAT

I definitely have made the statement that no sane person in the NBA thinks Mikal was only marginally better than DDV.

It might make sense for you to quote me instead of whatever you are trying to do.

Both players have played poorly this year.

Do you stand by that statement?
Mikal is more than marginally better than DDV and its not debatable?

Panos, you do you.

martin wrote:

Panos wrote:

martin wrote:

Panos wrote:

VDesai wrote:While Bridges is playing like crap, would you insert McBride into the SL over him?

I'm still thinking, as I thought from the beginning that Hart + Bridges + OG is not the desired 2-3-4 players. At the time, though I thought it would be Hart to the bench for Precious. Even though I thought Bridges was an overpay (something which Martin made sure to call me "insane" for thinking), I didn't expect him to come off the bench. Now I don't know WHO should be starting. If Precious over Bridges, we have no real 2 guard in the line up. At this point, I would 100% trade Mikal for DVD and hope he could round back into the shape he was in with us last year - only I don't think we're allowed to.
JB
DDV
Hart
OG
KAT

I definitely have made the statement that no sane person in the NBA thinks Mikal was only marginally better than DDV.

It might make sense for you to quote me instead of whatever you are trying to do.

Both players have played poorly this year.

Do you stand by that statement?
Mikal is more than marginally better than DDV and its not debatable?

Panos, you do you.

Nice martin. So you can be aggressive and insulting about how I must be an idiot for having an opinion and when that opinion doesn't turn out to be as idiotic as you claimed it to be, now suddenly, you're a man of few words.
Maybe next time try not to be so condescending.

Also, it's OK to admit you were wrong. I have no issue doing so.

Panos wrote:

martin wrote:

Panos wrote:

martin wrote:

Panos wrote:

VDesai wrote:While Bridges is playing like crap, would you insert McBride into the SL over him?

I'm still thinking, as I thought from the beginning that Hart + Bridges + OG is not the desired 2-3-4 players. At the time, though I thought it would be Hart to the bench for Precious. Even though I thought Bridges was an overpay (something which Martin made sure to call me "insane" for thinking), I didn't expect him to come off the bench. Now I don't know WHO should be starting. If Precious over Bridges, we have no real 2 guard in the line up. At this point, I would 100% trade Mikal for DVD and hope he could round back into the shape he was in with us last year - only I don't think we're allowed to.
JB
DDV
Hart
OG
KAT

I definitely have made the statement that no sane person in the NBA thinks Mikal was only marginally better than DDV.

It might make sense for you to quote me instead of whatever you are trying to do.

Both players have played poorly this year.

Do you stand by that statement?
Mikal is more than marginally better than DDV and its not debatable?

Panos, you do you.

Nice martin. So you can be aggressive and insulting about how I must be an idiot for having an opinion and when that opinion doesn't turn out to be as idiotic as you claimed it to be, now suddenly, you're a man of few words.
Maybe next time try not to be so condescending.

Also, it's OK to admit you were wrong. I have no issue doing so.

I have stated my option and the exact same thing repeatedly, directly back to you. You are the slow learner here. It’s right there in the bolded above, pretty much verbatim as I had originally posted.

Others have repeated my opinion back to you, so I’m not an outlier here.

It really don’t know why you keep asking the same thing. You need like a weekly update?

martin wrote:

Panos wrote:

martin wrote:

Panos wrote:

martin wrote:

Panos wrote:

VDesai wrote:While Bridges is playing like crap, would you insert McBride into the SL over him?

I'm still thinking, as I thought from the beginning that Hart + Bridges + OG is not the desired 2-3-4 players. At the time, though I thought it would be Hart to the bench for Precious. Even though I thought Bridges was an overpay (something which Martin made sure to call me "insane" for thinking), I didn't expect him to come off the bench. Now I don't know WHO should be starting. If Precious over Bridges, we have no real 2 guard in the line up. At this point, I would 100% trade Mikal for DVD and hope he could round back into the shape he was in with us last year - only I don't think we're allowed to.
JB
DDV
Hart
OG
KAT

I definitely have made the statement that no sane person in the NBA thinks Mikal was only marginally better than DDV.

It might make sense for you to quote me instead of whatever you are trying to do.

Both players have played poorly this year.

Do you stand by that statement?
Mikal is more than marginally better than DDV and its not debatable?

Panos, you do you.

Nice martin. So you can be aggressive and insulting about how I must be an idiot for having an opinion and when that opinion doesn't turn out to be as idiotic as you claimed it to be, now suddenly, you're a man of few words.
Maybe next time try not to be so condescending.

Also, it's OK to admit you were wrong. I have no issue doing so.

I have stated my option and the exact same thing repeatedly, directly back to you. You are the slow learner here. It;s right there in the bolded above, pretty much verbatim as I had originally posted.

Others have repeated my opinion back to you, so Im not an outlier here.

It really don;t know why you keep asking the same thing. You need like a weekly update?

I keep asking the same question because I take offense at your constant need to level personal insults and act superior. You're the moderator, and instead of setting the example of civility you're just nasty about any opinion you don't agree with. Even now, "slow learner?" Dude you don't know me.

So fine. You do you, too. Or, maybe, just maybe don't belittle every differing opinion

So some muse guy slices off Knicks stats and we have to run with the click bait?
Who the fuck cares about DDV. He is gone.
I read for years fans pining for Mikal as some god we missed and now he here for 25 games, 10 of which he played rough and we freaking the fuck out?

I was a the game to day. OG is hurting. Its why he is falling. Who was their best player BTW? Brandon Miller. OG fucked him up on one leg. Kid shot 7/25. OG wins the game.
In crunch time, it was hart making the coast to coast layups, Deuce with some clutch shots, and Brunson doing superman.
Credit to Jordi coaching in CLT with that rag tag lineup who obviously slowed the knicks pace. Looking that the first half stats you see it.
Knicks looked like a team that was on the 5th game of a long road trip.

Im concerned that OG has no lift, maybe that calf is bothering him. But he played really good defense!!!! That was the difference.

As for Bridges? Don't bench him. keep coaching him.

Lets stop about DDV being our savior. You got KAT for him and Randle.

VDesai wrote:While Bridges is playing like crap, would you insert McBride into the SL over him?

I’d like to see what impact would Precious have if inserted into the starting lineup. I wonder if his mere presence there to take some pressure off KAT and helping cleaning up the backcourt’s mistakes is just what we need. But it’s still disappointing that we haven’t found another way to achieve that.

I don’t think Precious needs to start but he should play next to KAT throughout the game.

Recall just two seasons ago I Hart first half of the season was underwhelming and he picked up to become a fan favorite and key player. Coach needs to play him less and utilize him better until he picks it up

Panos wrote:

martin wrote:

Panos wrote:

martin wrote:

Panos wrote:

martin wrote:

Panos wrote:

VDesai wrote:While Bridges is playing like crap, would you insert McBride into the SL over him?

I'm still thinking, as I thought from the beginning that Hart + Bridges + OG is not the desired 2-3-4 players. At the time, though I thought it would be Hart to the bench for Precious. Even though I thought Bridges was an overpay (something which Martin made sure to call me "insane" for thinking), I didn't expect him to come off the bench. Now I don't know WHO should be starting. If Precious over Bridges, we have no real 2 guard in the line up. At this point, I would 100% trade Mikal for DVD and hope he could round back into the shape he was in with us last year - only I don't think we're allowed to.
JB
DDV
Hart
OG
KAT

I definitely have made the statement that no sane person in the NBA thinks Mikal was only marginally better than DDV.

It might make sense for you to quote me instead of whatever you are trying to do.

Both players have played poorly this year.

Do you stand by that statement?
Mikal is more than marginally better than DDV and its not debatable?

Panos, you do you.

Nice martin. So you can be aggressive and insulting about how I must be an idiot for having an opinion and when that opinion doesn't turn out to be as idiotic as you claimed it to be, now suddenly, you're a man of few words.
Maybe next time try not to be so condescending.

Also, it's OK to admit you were wrong. I have no issue doing so.

I have stated my option and the exact same thing repeatedly, directly back to you. You are the slow learner here. It;s right there in the bolded above, pretty much verbatim as I had originally posted.

Others have repeated my opinion back to you, so Im not an outlier here.

It really don;t know why you keep asking the same thing. You need like a weekly update?

I keep asking the same question because I take offense at your constant need to level personal insults and act superior. You're the moderator, and instead of setting the example of civility you're just nasty about any opinion you don't agree with. Even now, "slow learner?" Dude you don't know me.

So fine. You do you, too. Or, maybe, just maybe don't belittle every differing opinion

You tried to call me out and completely missed, you got your insane call wrong, it had nothing to do with trading picks. How about we start with your posting? I had let you know to quote my exact responses to you. You think that’s nasty in the below?

https://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/top...

If you think I don’t respond to these things in kind, you got it complete wrong. It’s why I initially let you know to quote me and then for You to do you. You kept at it, I tried to side step it twice just above. You didn’t catch that? It’s a pretty easy read.

Feel free to respond to others who equally agree with me.

You want DDV back on team and that’s what you post a lot about. I’ve moved on.

Bridges is shooting 45%. His 3pt% is 30% - ok that could be better but you guys are acting like he’s Stephon Marbury because his name isn’t Divencenzo

Im totally good with benching players when they are not getting it done as long as you have someone in the game that is. Deuce Was getting it done. Josh was also.
Mikal I think leads league in minutes? Perhaps he needs less?

As for Precious starting thats going to be something Thibs won't give him until he is showing it. He will need 10 games to just get up to speed?
There is a path to true contention:

1. Keep the offense evolving.
2. Bring someone up from Gleague if Ryan cannot hit shots. TJ warren I'd guess.
3, Integrate Mitch and precious to tighten up the D. We are not that team now, but its about outscoring your opponent!
4. Keep all healthy
5. Are we prepared to jump on a waiver buy out? We have room?

Not because the way we are playing, but constructed is why I don't have strong contention vibes.
But.......Enjoy the growth my dudes. Sure the potential is there but chemistry takes time. There are moments to be excited about which is how it starts.
Tune off and be disgusted if you wish, but there was something in the game vs Charlotte that was good. A win.
Hornets had some good home cooking by refs and some breaks down the stretch but knicks pulled it out. They were tired. OG looks worn out or injured. He was a menace on Miller.
Hornets were playing footloose and free with their Yoot. They were prepared. They could not hold the lead and knicks got good stops. A few times the ball just went their way but the defense was there.

VDesai wrote:While Bridges is playing like crap, would you insert McBride into the SL over him?

I'd let Bridges continue to start, but give McBride more minutes than him - especially in the 4th quarter, until Bridges comes around.

Philc1 wrote:Bridges is shooting 45%. His 3pt% is 30% - ok that could be better but you guys are acting like he’s Stephon Marbury because his name isn’t Divencenzo

Meanwhile DDV is shooting 30% this year lol

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Sure it’s concerning but not disastrous by any means. We can clearly see it’s mental and he will eventually break out of it. The shooting is correctable too. The fact is the Knicks hit home runs with Hart, OG and especially KAT trades. The mikal trade doesn’t need to be a home run. Brunson signed his extension as an outcome of this too. In the bigger picture this deal is still justifiable. If mikal continues to struggle, his extension number is less than we projected. And Deuce ends up being the 3&D closer in his place. Deuce, if his knee is managed, his an elite role player.

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Mikal is unlikely to ever lose his starting spot, but I would love to see deuce play more with the other 4 starters, and mikal sort of lead the bench units for stretches and get his confidence up offensively.