I knew they measured the vertical jumps in shots. That was a narrative for Brunson during last year's playoffs when he was fatigued. I guess wrist height would be a more accurate measurement of elevation.
VDesai@ 1/21/2025 4:35 PM
Here is the Herring article if you havent seen, really interesting
I dunno about the wrist height thing, but I feel like Mikal trying to get off a super quick release and when he rushes shots or is off balance he winds up short.
What I did find interesting were these two excerpts:
And if Bridges, who leads the league in minutes this season and hasn't missed a game in his six-plus-year career, hadn't been tired enough, the Hawks set a whopping 50 screens on Bridges that night while he was defending the ball handler, the most any NBA player has faced this season. Overall, Bridges is being screened nearly 25 times per night, the highest rate since Second Spectrum started tracking it 12 years ago
Teams wanted to try attacking him, because it was a different spot for him; especially early on," a Western Conference scout said of Bridges repeatedly serving as a point-of-attack defender. "If you got past him initially, you could force all sorts of aggressive rotations because the team was still getting used to having Towns at the rim. And the collective trust didn't look like it was there."
A lot is being asked of him - he hasn't been completely up for it, but he's also being asked to do something pretty physically taxing. TO do it for 40 mins every single game is a lot to be effective for.
Philc1@ 1/21/2025 9:26 PM
No
GustavBahler@ 1/22/2025 10:49 AM
Was thinking during the game about who Bridges reminds me of. I’m thinking of Michael Cooper of the Showtime Lakers in the 80s. Bridges is better with the fall away jumper, but Mikal plays the same role, is also a 3 point threat, elite defender.
Panos@ 1/22/2025 2:10 PM
GustavBahler wrote:Was thinking during the game about who Bridges reminds me of. I’m thinking of Michael Cooper of the Showtime Lakers in the 80s. Bridges is better with the fall away jumper, but Mikal plays the same role, is also a 3 point threat, elite defender.
He reminds me of a wing version of Bill Cartwright.
Philc1@ 1/25/2025 9:53 PM
Not concerned
martin@ 1/26/2025 6:45 PM
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VDesai wrote:While Bridges is playing like crap, would you insert McBride into the SL over him?
I'm still thinking, as I thought from the beginning that Hart + Bridges + OG is not the desired 2-3-4 players. At the time, though I thought it would be Hart to the bench for Precious. Even though I thought Bridges was an overpay (something which Martin made sure to call me "insane" for thinking), I didn't expect him to come off the bench. Now I don't know WHO should be starting. If Precious over Bridges, we have no real 2 guard in the line up. At this point, I would 100% trade Mikal for DVD and hope he could round back into the shape he was in with us last year - only I don't think we're allowed to. JB DDV Hart OG KAT
(To be clear, Martin corrected me that I was insane to think that he wasn't more than merely a marginal upgrade over DDV, not that he was an overpay. Don't want to revisit that with Martin. Not what this is about)
2/3 of a season through still feel the same way.
VDesai@ 2/24/2025 7:56 AM
Consistency isnt there. The hustle isn't there. Is he playing too much? He has his moments for sure. That block was one of the best plays of the year. The Spurs game was one of the best individual efforts of the year. The 3 Boston games were on the opposite end of that apectrum.
We have to give him an extension this offseason- how do you make this call right now?
I proposed Bridges/ Mitch for McDaniels and DDV. I dont have any idea if Minny does something like this, but it helps them cut salsry. We get the lengthy wing defender we hoped to have and someone who brings in shooting volume and gravity and it gives us more roster depth.
franco12@ 2/24/2025 8:14 AM
VDesai wrote:Consistency isnt there. The hustle isn't there. Is he playing too much? He has his moments for sure. That block was one of the best plays of the year. The Spurs game was one of the best individual efforts of the year. The 3 Boston games were on the opposite end of that apectrum.
We have to give him an extension this offseason- how do you make this call right now?
I proposed Bridges/ Mitch for McDaniels and DDV. I dont have any idea if Minny does something like this, but it helps them cut salsry. We get the lengthy wing defender we hoped to have and someone who brings in shooting volume and gravity and it gives us more roster depth.
You can’t extend him. We can’t lock in to this group unless we are happy with 40+ wins and a 1st or 2nd round playoff exit every year for the next 3.
I think he is playing too much and he may simply be gassed. Again - that is true for all the starters and don’t cry about the bench because other teams have worse rosters and they don’t play their starters for 40+ minutes like Thibs does.
We have to make a change this off season - either with the roster or the coach. One is easier than the other for sure.
VDesai@ 2/24/2025 8:18 AM
franco12 wrote:
VDesai wrote:Consistency isnt there. The hustle isn't there. Is he playing too much? He has his moments for sure. That block was one of the best plays of the year. The Spurs game was one of the best individual efforts of the year. The 3 Boston games were on the opposite end of that apectrum.
We have to give him an extension this offseason- how do you make this call right now?
I proposed Bridges/ Mitch for McDaniels and DDV. I dont have any idea if Minny does something like this, but it helps them cut salsry. We get the lengthy wing defender we hoped to have and someone who brings in shooting volume and gravity and it gives us more roster depth.
You can’t extend him. We can’t lock in to this group unless we are happy with 40+ wins and a 1st or 2nd round playoff exit every year for the next 3.
I think he is playing too much and he may simply be gassed. Again - that is true for all the starters and don’t cry about the bench because other teams have worse rosters and they don’t play their starters for 40+ minutes like Thibs does.
We have to make a change this off season - either with the roster or the coach. One is easier than the other for sure.
Its still a 50 win team with him (as it is right now), but there's a ceiling if he doesn't make an impact against Boston. He was acquired with the thought that you have OG and Bridges to neutralize Tatum on the wings and you can match the 5 out with KAT. Theoretically we had the perfect roster to match up to Boston and yet in reality we're getting smashed to oblivion every time we face them.
franco12@ 2/24/2025 8:25 AM
VDesai wrote:
franco12 wrote:
VDesai wrote:Consistency isnt there. The hustle isn't there. Is he playing too much? He has his moments for sure. That block was one of the best plays of the year. The Spurs game was one of the best individual efforts of the year. The 3 Boston games were on the opposite end of that apectrum.
We have to give him an extension this offseason- how do you make this call right now?
I proposed Bridges/ Mitch for McDaniels and DDV. I dont have any idea if Minny does something like this, but it helps them cut salsry. We get the lengthy wing defender we hoped to have and someone who brings in shooting volume and gravity and it gives us more roster depth.
You can’t extend him. We can’t lock in to this group unless we are happy with 40+ wins and a 1st or 2nd round playoff exit every year for the next 3.
I think he is playing too much and he may simply be gassed. Again - that is true for all the starters and don’t cry about the bench because other teams have worse rosters and they don’t play their starters for 40+ minutes like Thibs does.
We have to make a change this off season - either with the roster or the coach. One is easier than the other for sure.
Its still a 50 win team with him (as it is right now), but there's a ceiling if he doesn't make an impact against Boston. He was acquired with the thought that you have OG and Bridges to neutralize Tatum on the wings and you can match the 5 out with KAT. Theoretically we had the perfect roster to match up to Boston and yet in reality we're getting smashed to oblivion every time we face them.
Nalod@ 2/24/2025 10:33 AM
franco12 wrote:
VDesai wrote:
franco12 wrote:
VDesai wrote:Consistency isnt there. The hustle isn't there. Is he playing too much? He has his moments for sure. That block was one of the best plays of the year. The Spurs game was one of the best individual efforts of the year. The 3 Boston games were on the opposite end of that apectrum.
We have to give him an extension this offseason- how do you make this call right now?
I proposed Bridges/ Mitch for McDaniels and DDV. I dont have any idea if Minny does something like this, but it helps them cut salsry. We get the lengthy wing defender we hoped to have and someone who brings in shooting volume and gravity and it gives us more roster depth.
You can’t extend him. We can’t lock in to this group unless we are happy with 40+ wins and a 1st or 2nd round playoff exit every year for the next 3.
I think he is playing too much and he may simply be gassed. Again - that is true for all the starters and don’t cry about the bench because other teams have worse rosters and they don’t play their starters for 40+ minutes like Thibs does.
We have to make a change this off season - either with the roster or the coach. One is easier than the other for sure.
Its still a 50 win team with him (as it is right now), but there's a ceiling if he doesn't make an impact against Boston. He was acquired with the thought that you have OG and Bridges to neutralize Tatum on the wings and you can match the 5 out with KAT. Theoretically we had the perfect roster to match up to Boston and yet in reality we're getting smashed to oblivion every time we face them.
True. We thought we had a roster to counter Boston. We don't. That is disappointing. I think we wanted that, the media wanted that, but white and Holiday are under rated and the forwards that is Tatum and Brown are really really good! Remember who good KP was with us on a shitty team? While his durability is not great, he is a freaking luxury for them. He is their 4th freaking option!!! We are not good enough to match up yet. They are healthy, they are confident champs, and we are not quite on par.
MS@ 2/24/2025 10:50 AM
We traded Grimes and 5 first round picks. We have no depth and we are locked into this team, so yes there is major cause for concern. He doesn't rebound, his defense is overated and you barely know he's out there. That trade made sense if we had IHart resigned, but that haul for a non all star has never been executed.
Butler was traded for nothing, Luka was just moved, you could have grabbed Cam Johnson for 2 picks and still had three and contract to trade.
The larger problem is Thibs. I think we were all blown away he sent KAT back onto the floor with the game out of reach. We have no depth, we all know that but the compounding of meaningless minutes throughout the season kills everyone.
franco12@ 2/24/2025 11:39 AM
MS wrote:We traded Grimes and 5 first round picks. We have no depth and we are locked into this team, so yes there is major cause for concern. He doesn't rebound, his defense is overated and you barely know he's out there. That trade made sense if we had IHart resigned, but that haul for a non all star has never been executed.
Butler was traded for nothing, Luka was just moved, you could have grabbed Cam Johnson for 2 picks and still had three and contract to trade.
The larger problem is Thibs. I think we were all blown away he sent KAT back onto the floor with the game out of reach. We have no depth, we all know that but the compounding of meaningless minutes throughout the season kills everyone.
That is what hurts, all those in season trades. I would have said no to Butler, but he is a dog and has GS playing better.
Interesting piece from P&T. Makes a case for bringing Bridges off the bench. He is managing that FT rate despite league leading minutes. Mitch and Bridges in the 2nd unit might be a remedy for an anemic bench. Would also like to see a Mitch/HUK twin towers experiment.
With Jalen Brunson and Karl-Anthony Towns dominating the ball, Bridges has returned to the same off-ball third option scoring role that he assumed on the Phoenix Suns, rather than the ball-dominating efficient scorer that he flashed in Brooklyn. He’s prone to disappearing for long stretches on offense, seemingly camping in the corner for quarters at a time without impacting the game. Without the ball in his hands, he can struggle to impact the game.
No statistic illustrates this more than his free throw rate.
Across his 109 games as a Net, Bridges averaged 4.6 attempts per game. Through 57 games as a Knick, Bridges has averaged 1.1 attempts per game. (And yes, his minutes have gone up.)
Interesting piece from P&T. Makes a case for bringing Bridges off the bench. He is managing that FT rate despite league leading minutes. Mitch and Bridges in the 2nd unit might be a remedy for an anemic bench. Would also like to see a Mitch/HUK twin towers experiment.
With Jalen Brunson and Karl-Anthony Towns dominating the ball, Bridges has returned to the same off-ball third option scoring role that he assumed on the Phoenix Suns, rather than the ball-dominating efficient scorer that he flashed in Brooklyn. He’s prone to disappearing for long stretches on offense, seemingly camping in the corner for quarters at a time without impacting the game. Without the ball in his hands, he can struggle to impact the game.
No statistic illustrates this more than his free throw rate.
Across his 109 games as a Net, Bridges averaged 4.6 attempts per game. Through 57 games as a Knick, Bridges has averaged 1.1 attempts per game. (And yes, his minutes have gone up.)
Mikalanu Bridginobili?
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Nalod@ 2/28/2025 11:54 AM
Not convincing. Besides, who starts in his place? Manu was a different cat in a different era on a really deep team.
