Clean wrote:martin wrote:Clean wrote:Its too early in the season to worry about where the Knicks are recordwise. The teams have played uneven schedules. I go by what I see and this team is not good enough. We went all in so 50 wins seasons and 1st round maybe 2nd round exits are not good enough anymore. It was not our fault but the reality is the reality. iHart leaving left us with a gaping hole. One we will not be able to fix this season. We could improve this year but that would mean adjustments from Thibs and he is not a man known to make many adjustments. I don't have any faith in Mitch helping because the man can't stay healthy. Even if he does fix everything it will be short lived then we are back to being what we are now. Landry will not fix our poor defense. Scoring does not mean anything if your oppponents are scoring just as well as you are because you can't ever get stops.Enough is enough. We can't be red lining our starters this early in the season. We have players on the bench that can help. Maybe if you gave them consistant minutes they can fix their mistakes. An extra loss or two is worth it in the long run so we don't burnout our starters. We will lose the games due to injuries after they been red lining it for long enough anyway. Thibs does so many good thing but there is always something that ruins it. Its always the same exact mistakes and he just keeps on making them.
Like who?
Until the recent injury Huk definitly could have helped. I think no one can disagree with that because everytime he has gotten time he is helped. Then he goes for multple DNP after clearly helping in a game. Kolek could have helped when Terry Johnson was out. Kolek needs more time than Huk to fix issues but he can definitly help and he brings things no one else but brunson/KAT can. Don't tell me about him on defense when he gets taken out after one mistake the other guards make the same mistake directly after and everything was fine. When playing teams that switch we need another playmaker. He is the only other playmaker on the team besides Brunson and to a lesser extent KAT. Not to mention he can hit an open shot.
Well, for me, we have to deal with realities.
You are talking like a win-only fan who only cares about the outcome of individual games. Fans have accused Thibs of not developing young players and being a win-only coach and I think that is the wrong sentiment. It looks like to me there is a very hard line method to how and what the Knicks FO and coaching staff has put in place for their young guys; I don't know if folks have caught on to that or not but it seems clear to me. It was the same'ish with RJ, IQ, Grimes, Deuce. Even guys like iHart, Mitch, Sims today, etc. Prove yourself, get allotted minutes within your role when coaches think you are ready (injuries aside). They will get 10-15 games in that role and don't fuck up like Sims did by trying to do things on the offensive end and then turn the ball over unnecessarily 3 games in a row; you do that and you get benched for another player. Mostly, players need to know what and where they need to be on defense and then will get some latitude on offense within your role if you keep you energy way up on defense and don't royally fuck things up on offense. Cam Reddish did not understand those things and he is still floundering and his career will be in another league in a couple of years.
Right now, the Knicks have AMPLE time to do that with Dadiet, Kolek, Huk. They are AOK with riding bigger minutes for the core guys and giving the young guys their due time to get up to speed, away from where we can see them in practice and then in Westchester. Are we happy with how guys like IQ, Deuce, iHart and whatnot have turned out? Even Mitch too.
IMHO, if you expect Huk or Kolek to get minutes, you are banging your head against a wall and asking why it hurts. I am not even saying I agree with what Thibs and coaching staff are doing or not doing and how I feel about that method, I am just trying to figure out what and why they do it so that my expectations are set correctly.
Every coach wants to win as many games as possible. But there is a reality of developing individual players and then a team over the course of the season. The Knicks have shown us how they do things, expecting differently will only be difficult if you only want to do it the way YOU think it should be done as a win-only fan.
Clean, as well, you have set your expectation that the Knicks went all in and so 50 games is that goal or whatnot. IMHO the Knicks have not set that expecation for themselves, and they have zero pressure just because they went "all in" with Mikal, that's a media or fan thing not a FO or coaching staff thing. I'd guess the Knicks staff goal and the players team goal is to be the best team you can at playoff time; the record will obviously have seeding and whatnot implications but that is a secondary concern. Cleveland did an all-in trade for Donovan and it has taken them 3 years to get where they need to be, as an example.
