Knicks · Playing Mitch with Towns may solve our inconsistency (page 2)
martin wrote:franco12 wrote:ToddTT wrote:martin wrote:franco12 wrote:This team can’t be fixed. Kat is a lovely player, but this group is soft and fluffy. Anyone expecting Mitch to save the day is deluding themselves. We’re a high 40 wins team (46,47,48) and a 2nd round exit.This team lacks grit, for all the posing and muscle flexing that Josh and Kat do.
Honestly - best thing would be to fire Thibs, get someone else in here to try to shake things up.
I know we’re 4th in the East, sitting with a 600 wins team %. But we really struggle at times and it’s frustrating to see Thibs with the same defensive strategy and the constant playing Mikal Bridges for 40 minutes a game and I’m shocked OG hasn’t gone down yet.
Januarys Knicks were special. This group is not.
The Knicks have the 8th best record in the league, and have not yet gelled.
Feel like there may be a little more wiggle room here.
If I am reading this correctly, the Knicks have had the 3rd easiest schedule thus far.I agree they have room to improve, I just don't see it being that much. Improvement upside - yes - been almost totally healthy- has OG missed any games? These will balance out and then we start playing more better teams, we'll end up in that 48 win zone, which is fine.
You may find it correlating some that the best teams have the “easiest” schedule and some if the worst teams have had the hardest.
One may wonder why.
Because you don’t with yourself? Never had that problem!
I did look at last years- ours last year was .499.
Our remaining strength of schedule is 12th 504.
Thibs runs a style that seems to need higher quality rim protection to work...and we simply have average rim protection so we then have to shoot "on fire" from three to beat these same teams we could previously beat 90% with our defense. Even IHart offered enough rim protection and was much better at hustling/switching so that offset his limited ability to shoot from outside consistently. Plus he had a nice floater and also set better picks for Brunson.
So even when we get Mitch back we are looking at either great offense (w/much less defense) or great defense with non-existant offense unless we play them together to shore off each's deficiencies. I don't miss Randle but we played better overall with Mitch/IHart next to Randle or OG. So think when Mitch is healthy we have little choice or we will continue to look great some nights and piss poor others.
The irony of this is Minn is also struggling with the adjustment and possibly feel like they got fleeced in the trade.
franco12 wrote:martin wrote:franco12 wrote:ToddTT wrote:martin wrote:franco12 wrote:This team can’t be fixed. Kat is a lovely player, but this group is soft and fluffy. Anyone expecting Mitch to save the day is deluding themselves. We’re a high 40 wins team (46,47,48) and a 2nd round exit.This team lacks grit, for all the posing and muscle flexing that Josh and Kat do.
Honestly - best thing would be to fire Thibs, get someone else in here to try to shake things up.
I know we’re 4th in the East, sitting with a 600 wins team %. But we really struggle at times and it’s frustrating to see Thibs with the same defensive strategy and the constant playing Mikal Bridges for 40 minutes a game and I’m shocked OG hasn’t gone down yet.
Januarys Knicks were special. This group is not.
The Knicks have the 8th best record in the league, and have not yet gelled.
Feel like there may be a little more wiggle room here.
If I am reading this correctly, the Knicks have had the 3rd easiest schedule thus far.I agree they have room to improve, I just don't see it being that much. Improvement upside - yes - been almost totally healthy- has OG missed any games? These will balance out and then we start playing more better teams, we'll end up in that 48 win zone, which is fine.
You may find it correlating some that the best teams have the “easiest” schedule and some if the worst teams have had the hardest.
One may wonder why.
Because you don’t with yourself? Never had that problem!
I did look at last years- ours last year was .499.
Our remaining strength of schedule is 12th 504.
It’s because good teams beat the bad teams and vice versa except it’s about losing, making them tough or weak, inversely.
martin wrote:franco12 wrote:martin wrote:franco12 wrote:ToddTT wrote:martin wrote:franco12 wrote:This team can’t be fixed. Kat is a lovely player, but this group is soft and fluffy. Anyone expecting Mitch to save the day is deluding themselves. We’re a high 40 wins team (46,47,48) and a 2nd round exit.This team lacks grit, for all the posing and muscle flexing that Josh and Kat do.
Honestly - best thing would be to fire Thibs, get someone else in here to try to shake things up.
I know we’re 4th in the East, sitting with a 600 wins team %. But we really struggle at times and it’s frustrating to see Thibs with the same defensive strategy and the constant playing Mikal Bridges for 40 minutes a game and I’m shocked OG hasn’t gone down yet.
Januarys Knicks were special. This group is not.
The Knicks have the 8th best record in the league, and have not yet gelled.
Feel like there may be a little more wiggle room here.
If I am reading this correctly, the Knicks have had the 3rd easiest schedule thus far.I agree they have room to improve, I just don't see it being that much. Improvement upside - yes - been almost totally healthy- has OG missed any games? These will balance out and then we start playing more better teams, we'll end up in that 48 win zone, which is fine.
You may find it correlating some that the best teams have the “easiest” schedule and some if the worst teams have had the hardest.
One may wonder why.
Because you don’t with yourself? Never had that problem!
I did look at last years- ours last year was .499.
Our remaining strength of schedule is 12th 504.
It’s because good teams beat the bad teams and vice versa except it’s about losing, making them tough or weak, inversely.
As Barkley Says, the bad teams don’t know they are bad yet.
I haven’t seen stats on it, but we seem to struggle when opposing teams can put a 7’ wingspan on Brunson AND OG has a bad shooting night. OG can have an ok shooting night and we play to the final 2 mins. Dyson is only 6’11 but the theory kind of held.
When they pull a 7’ wingspan off OG, he has to make them pay. But, I wouldn’t doubt that dudes legs are getting tired. That’s kind of why I thought another 3&D 7’ wingspan sub would help. Let OG get that lift in his legs. I don’t doubt his heart or his skill, just gotta make sure his legs are there.
Brunson’s bad games are still good, comparatively. Hart is playing amazing. Speaking Anthrometrically only, shifting Bridges to SG and OG to SF and adding a third 3&D with 7’ wingspan to that lineup might make this team unstoppable.
I don’t really see a path to add that size this season though. So, I’d settle for getting OG some extra DripDrop.
EwingsGlass wrote:martin wrote:franco12 wrote:martin wrote:franco12 wrote:ToddTT wrote:martin wrote:franco12 wrote:This team can’t be fixed. Kat is a lovely player, but this group is soft and fluffy. Anyone expecting Mitch to save the day is deluding themselves. We’re a high 40 wins team (46,47,48) and a 2nd round exit.This team lacks grit, for all the posing and muscle flexing that Josh and Kat do.
Honestly - best thing would be to fire Thibs, get someone else in here to try to shake things up.
I know we’re 4th in the East, sitting with a 600 wins team %. But we really struggle at times and it’s frustrating to see Thibs with the same defensive strategy and the constant playing Mikal Bridges for 40 minutes a game and I’m shocked OG hasn’t gone down yet.
Januarys Knicks were special. This group is not.
The Knicks have the 8th best record in the league, and have not yet gelled.
Feel like there may be a little more wiggle room here.
If I am reading this correctly, the Knicks have had the 3rd easiest schedule thus far.I agree they have room to improve, I just don't see it being that much. Improvement upside - yes - been almost totally healthy- has OG missed any games? These will balance out and then we start playing more better teams, we'll end up in that 48 win zone, which is fine.
You may find it correlating some that the best teams have the “easiest” schedule and some if the worst teams have had the hardest.
One may wonder why.
Because you don’t with yourself? Never had that problem!
I did look at last years- ours last year was .499.
Our remaining strength of schedule is 12th 504.
It’s because good teams beat the bad teams and vice versa except it’s about losing, making them tough or weak, inversely.
As Barkley Says, the bad teams don’t know they are bad yet.
I haven’t seen stats on it, but we seem to struggle when opposing teams can put a 7’ wingspan on Brunson AND OG has a bad shooting night. OG can have an ok shooting night and we play to the final 2 mins. Dyson is only 6’11 but the theory kind of held.
When they pull a 7’ wingspan off OG, he has to make them pay. But, I wouldn’t doubt that dudes legs are getting tired. That’s kind of why I thought another 3&D 7’ wingspan sub would help. Let OG get that lift in his legs. I don’t doubt his heart or his skill, just gotta make sure his legs are there.
Brunson’s bad games are still good, comparatively. Hart is playing amazing. Speaking Anthrometrically only, shifting Bridges to SG and OG to SF and adding a third 3&D with 7’ wingspan to that lineup might make this team unstoppable.
I don’t really see a path to add that size this season though. So, I’d settle for getting OG some extra DripDrop.
I was advocating for putting Sims in the starting line up, so you could shift OG to SF and have Bridges off the bench.
I don’t think we should put our best 5 players into the starting line up and I think Thibs is over playing guys.
EwingsGlass wrote:martin wrote:franco12 wrote:martin wrote:franco12 wrote:ToddTT wrote:martin wrote:franco12 wrote:This team can’t be fixed. Kat is a lovely player, but this group is soft and fluffy. Anyone expecting Mitch to save the day is deluding themselves. We’re a high 40 wins team (46,47,48) and a 2nd round exit.This team lacks grit, for all the posing and muscle flexing that Josh and Kat do.
Honestly - best thing would be to fire Thibs, get someone else in here to try to shake things up.
I know we’re 4th in the East, sitting with a 600 wins team %. But we really struggle at times and it’s frustrating to see Thibs with the same defensive strategy and the constant playing Mikal Bridges for 40 minutes a game and I’m shocked OG hasn’t gone down yet.
Januarys Knicks were special. This group is not.
The Knicks have the 8th best record in the league, and have not yet gelled.
Feel like there may be a little more wiggle room here.
If I am reading this correctly, the Knicks have had the 3rd easiest schedule thus far.I agree they have room to improve, I just don't see it being that much. Improvement upside - yes - been almost totally healthy- has OG missed any games? These will balance out and then we start playing more better teams, we'll end up in that 48 win zone, which is fine.
You may find it correlating some that the best teams have the “easiest” schedule and some if the worst teams have had the hardest.
One may wonder why.
Because you don’t with yourself? Never had that problem!
I did look at last years- ours last year was .499.
Our remaining strength of schedule is 12th 504.
It’s because good teams beat the bad teams and vice versa except it’s about losing, making them tough or weak, inversely.
As Barkley Says, the bad teams don’t know they are bad yet.
I haven’t seen stats on it, but we seem to struggle when opposing teams can put a 7’ wingspan on Brunson AND OG has a bad shooting night. OG can have an ok shooting night and we play to the final 2 mins. Dyson is only 6’11 but the theory kind of held.
When they pull a 7’ wingspan off OG, he has to make them pay. But, I wouldn’t doubt that dudes legs are getting tired. That’s kind of why I thought another 3&D 7’ wingspan sub would help. Let OG get that lift in his legs. I don’t doubt his heart or his skill, just gotta make sure his legs are there.
Brunson’s bad games are still good, comparatively. Hart is playing amazing. Speaking Anthrometrically only, shifting Bridges to SG and OG to SF and adding a third 3&D with 7’ wingspan to that lineup might make this team unstoppable.I don’t really see a path to add that size this season though. So, I’d settle for getting OG some extra DripDrop.
Agree with what you are saying in a lot of the above.
Brunson has played well, same with KAT. Offensively. Not sure about the whole team defense thing, and it could be the whole lineup is not yet in sync on that side of the ball.
If Josh were 6'9, I think the Knicks would be perfect cause they need more interior beef.
Also I don’t know if the rumor Shams started about Mitch not being ready to play until Feb is true. I haven’t seen it reported anywhere that isn’t using Sham as their source.
Rookie wrote:The more I think about it, because we are not super athletic and have players playing out of their natural position, we really need a rim protector to anchor the defense.Also I don’t know if the rumor Shams started about Mitch not being ready to play until Feb is true. I haven’t seen it reported anywhere that isn’t using Sham as their source.
Compared with Woj, I have not like paying attention to what Shams is doing at ESPN for whatever reason. He is like making Emergency Announcements when LeBron's son is playing a Gleague game and I had to unfollow him.
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BigDaddyG wrote:Game Theory also does a good breaking down the team's defensive ineptness.
The hawks love playing the Knicks without Mitch