Knicks · GameThread: Knicks at Wolves trade revisit, 930 TNT (page 9)

martin @ 12/20/2024 12:31 PM
martin @ 12/20/2024 1:07 PM
Not trying to make it a dig but this is one area Randle maybe doesn't understand or is just part of his personality. Bad energy is contagious and needs to be managed, and it does sap teammates, coaches, and the people around you.

I love what Cam is saying that bringing good energy costs nothing. Bad juju costs a LOT

martin @ 12/20/2024 1:25 PM
Thought this was fair

https://www.nydailynews.com/2024/12/20/j...

Kristian Winfield: Ex-Knick Julius Randle is the Timberwolves’ problem now
Kristian Winfield


MINNEAPOLIS — Naz Reid saw it. Anthony Edwards saw it, too. So did the thousands of fans packing the Target Center, their eyes locked on Julius Randle as Karl-Anthony Towns made his highly anticipated return to Minnesota on Thursday.

Randle stood in the paint, swarmed by three Knicks defenders. The open man was there — two of them, in fact. Jaden McDaniels and Nickeil Alexander-Walker both stood uncontested behind the three-point line, arms ready for the pass.

But, as had so often been the case during his time in New York, the ball seemed glued to Randle’s hands.

Reid pointed at McDaniels. Edwards gestured emphatically, then flailed his arms in frustration. Wolves fans, sensing the squandered opportunity before it even unfolded, joined in unison with a phrase Knicks fans had shouted countless times before.

“Pass the ball!”

Randle eventually moved the ball — but three seconds too late. In the NBA, a fraction of a second can decide a possession, a quarter or even a game.

By the time Randle hit McDaniels, Mikal Bridges had already rotated to help. McDaniels swung the ball to Alexander-Walker, but the window had slammed shut, too.

What could have been an open corner three five seconds earlier turned into an entirely different challenge. Alexander-Walker had no choice but to attack Precious Achiuwa’s close-out, driving into the paint and launching a fading two over two defenders — a far tougher shot.

The basket was good, but the moment underscored a larger issue. The possession wasn’t just a clunky sequence; it was a snapshot of why the Knicks had to move on from Randle — and why the Timberwolves may soon need to consider the same.

Randle’s struggles with ball movement and defensive disengagement when his offense isn’t flowing were issues in New York, and they persist in Minnesota. Ball-stoppers rarely align with the principles of winning basketball, and Randle’s tendencies are as entrenched as ever.

That single possession epitomized why the Knicks are the clear winners of the blockbuster Towns-for-Randle (and Donte DiVincenzo) trade. It’s also a glaring reason why the Timberwolves sit eighth in the Western Conference after tying for second and reaching the conference finals last season.

“We don’t have no identity,” Edwards said postgame, his frustration palpable. “We know imma shoot a bunch of shots. We know Ju gonna shoot a bunch of shots. That’s all we know. We don’t really know anything else. It’s not on the coaches at all. It’s on us.”

Pressed on how to fix the offense, Edwards held back. “They not going to like what I say, so I’m just going to keep it to myself.”

If moving on from Randle is the unspoken solution, it’s not one that comes easily. The former All-Star is owed $33 million this season and holds a $30.9 million player option for the 2025-26 campaign. With limited projected cap space across the league next summer — and Randle’s trade value steadily declining — there’s a strong chance he picks up the option, keeping him in Minnesota for at least another season.

Meanwhile, Towns is thriving in New York, transforming the Knicks’ offensive identity in ways Randle never could.

Insert shrug emoji here.

Randle is the Timberwolves’ problem now. Once a fixture responsible for dragging the Knicks back to relevance, he’s now the headlining outgoing player in a trade that is a resounding franchise-defining win for New York’s front office.

The same issues that plagued Randle at Madison Square Garden have followed him to the Target Center, much to the chagrin of his new fanbase.

Meanwhile, Knicks fans can finally breathe easy. The days of Randle’s ball-stopping tendencies stifling the flow of the offense and limiting his teammates are firmly in the rearview mirror.

ToddTT @ 12/20/2024 1:28 PM
I don't know, looks like Julius had a pretty good game to me.

GustavBahler @ 12/20/2024 1:32 PM
ToddTT wrote:I don't know, looks like Julius had a pretty good game to me.

Todd is time traveling again

"Jan 1, 2024"

ToddTT @ 12/20/2024 1:37 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
ToddTT wrote:I don't know, looks like Julius had a pretty good game to me.

Todd is time traveling again

"Jan 1, 2024"

Wait... WTF?

What game did we play on January 1st? I'd look it up, but my internet is down.

VDesai @ 12/20/2024 1:50 PM
martin wrote:Not trying to make it a dig but this is one area Randle maybe doesn't understand or is just part of his personality. Bad energy is contagious and needs to be managed, and it does sap teammates, coaches, and the people around you.

I love what Cam is saying that bringing good energy costs nothing. Bad juju costs a LOT

Cam on the roommates podcasts expands on this thought and how its a way for young players to stick in the league

VDesai @ 12/20/2024 1:58 PM
martin wrote:One person's take. Knicks also may have sold high too, strangely.

I'll say this about KAT sticking it to the Timberwolves tonight...

Tim Connelly has *rarely* been wrong in his career building NBA contenders.

If TC thought Wolves were on the verge of a title w/ KAT, he wouldn't have made the trade. It's that simple. Running it back was the easy move.

TC clearly felt very strongly that the Wolves weren't winning a title by running it back this season. He's right, IMO.

Instead, TC sold high on KAT -- a 29-year-old, oft-injured big who makes 36% of the cap and pushes the Wolves into 2nd apron roster-building restrictions -- to create flexibility over a multi-year window.

So... Either Tim Connelly was *wildly* wrong for the first time in his career. OR everyone just needs to chill and be patient.

In the meantime, I can be your punching bag 😂

/rant

Didnt realize Tim Connelly was god. He sold out to get Rudy Gobert and made it certain they couldnt afford KAT anymore. I think that was a pretty stupid move so maybe Minny shouldn't have faith.

Also they sold probably sold low on KAT when considering perception of him and his game when we acquired him.

martin @ 12/20/2024 2:02 PM
Took him 2+ years to figure out the shot at the NBA level but it was all worth it. His next contract will be gold for him.

Maybe PG isn't the role for him but SG with elite defense and ball handling is just right.

VDesai @ 12/20/2024 2:14 PM
martin wrote:Took him 2+ years to figure out the shot at the NBA level but it was all worth it. His next contract will be gold for him.

Maybe PG isn't the role for him but SG with elite defense and ball handling is just right.


His overall activity level and hustle around the court is a game changer too. He was a jolt of energy in the 2nd quarter. When his shot is on coming off the bench the Knicks are hard to beat. He is being agressive on drives too. He has a legit scoring bag when unleashed.

BigDaddyG @ 12/20/2024 2:57 PM
VDesai wrote:
martin wrote:Took him 2+ years to figure out the shot at the NBA level but it was all worth it. His next contract will be gold for him.

Maybe PG isn't the role for him but SG with elite defense and ball handling is just right.


His overall activity level and hustle around the court is a game changer too. He was a jolt of energy in the 2nd quarter. When his shot is on coming off the bench the Knicks are hard to beat. He is being agressive on drives too. He has a legit scoring bag when unleashed.

I'm hoping Deuce continues on the Payton Pritchard path. Don't know if Deuce will score like Pritchard, but he's a way better defender. Just need to see the steady improvements year over year.

martin @ 12/20/2024 3:04 PM
Beast

Clean @ 12/20/2024 3:08 PM

Randle is a good dude in general but too emotional when is comes to basketball. I will never forget him wanting to fight IQ for trying to stop him from getting a tech. Brunson looks like a sad puppy.
Nalod @ 12/20/2024 3:29 PM
Connelly made his move and it did not execute. Ownership issues aside, perhaps they keep KAT?
The trade in real time had in prime Rudy and the thinking it opens up KAT and perhaps keeps him healthier?
Also the Ant Edwards growth has not been smooth. Kid is way talented but he is not the super star yet.
they made a nice run last year so how stupid really was it? If ownership gave a directive then he has to adhere to the order. Not all GM/Presidents have
unchecked abilty to do what they want. Is connelly a god? No. Riley did some pretty "stupid" moves also. OR things that just did pan out as perhaps it thought to be.
We fans with hindsight are the smart ones? No accountability and and can second guess it all. Draft days? Trade offers? roster moves? You get one crack at it and have to live with the results sometimes for years.

Im thrilled for this trade and how it panned out. I'll agree its been better than thought. Kats Durabilty still has a few yeas to go before we can look back. Knicks took a risk, and that salary is he gets is huge.

Question is coach Fitch. Is he loosing his team? Edwards said they are clueless on offense. Fitch had coached Jules in Nola and it was all exciting for all. Jules is getting a lot of shit for the team not doing well. Last night? National game, Knicks in town with KAT, ticket prices high, crowd showed love by paying the price and it might be ok to lose in a good well played game, but getting blown out on the home court? that shit gets you fired.

OG on Randle? OG just fucks up his man. Jules no exception.

LivingLegend @ 12/20/2024 5:32 PM
martin wrote:
DLeethal wrote:
Knicksfan wrote:THIS is the starting lineup.

This is the lineup I’ve wanted for a long time, but wasn’t sure how well it would play out but suspected it would be right. It’s just one game, yes, but you can tell the impact that a rightly balanced lineup has. And also, we all know that when given significant minutes, Precious delivers. And the defense and rebounding, you can see the impact! OG is amazing and can definitely give you minutes at the 4 when needed, but he is better suited at the 3.

I really hope we keep this lineup moving forward. Not only does this lengthens the lineup with a talented Swiss-army player like Josh coming from the bench, but you really take advantage of all of our players at their strengths. Get me a backup power forward through the wire at some point in the season and we are cool.

Knicks looked great but Precious was a -4 in a game we were up by 30+ for most of it and we didn't take over the game until the bench mob came in the second Q.

I've always wondered if looking at a particular players +/- is a good thing our not. I think over the long haul it may be informative to a degree.

I haven't yet seen game so really can't speak to Precious and what he was doing but the Knicks team did well and that definitely speaks to something.

One thing I did note - we were down 33-32 when Brunson went out after 1st.

When he returned we were up +21.

LivingLegend @ 12/20/2024 5:40 PM
martin wrote:

Maybe an overreaction but I really believe the T-Wolves will have to move on from Julius (and soon) - maybe even Donte as well.

I think Minnesota fans and maybe some of Kat's old teammates aren't going to 100% forget who was traded for Kat (everyone seemed to genuinely like/love him).

T-Wolves could probably reset with some solid players that might fit better vs Julius (specifically) and if Donte is just miserable maybe he goes elsewhere. Maybe a 3-way with Ingram to Minnesota, a solid player to Pelicans that fits with Zion and Julis going to a 3rd team.

I always believed teammates (despite public comments) did NOT like playing with Julius. Donte being a gamer the trade may have been a double whammy negative. 1) your being traded to Minny and 2) you get to play with Julius some more

LivingLegend @ 12/20/2024 5:45 PM
martin wrote:

Thank goodness Early Season Mikal went away and really good player Mikal has returned.

Some of his cuts last night were special. Particularly one he had ball on left wing and dumped the ball into Kat in the post with Jalen at top of key. As Mikal moves away from Kat towards Jalen Ant Edwards takes a quick dig to double Kat and Mikal quickly changes direction going from top of key right to hoop for layup off Kat pass.

LivingLegend @ 12/20/2024 5:47 PM
SergioNYK wrote:They really need to modify this apron bs. Teams in 2024 should not have to break up or trade players because of financial reasons imo.

Seems a bit over the top (the Apron BS) - wonder if deadline is going to be super slow.

Have heard some teams looking to move guys to stay under certain levels while other teams not threatened with potential free agents leaving because they don't fear they will get big $ on tight open market with many teams in tight spots.

LivingLegend @ 12/20/2024 6:13 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
VDesai wrote:
martin wrote:Took him 2+ years to figure out the shot at the NBA level but it was all worth it. His next contract will be gold for him.

Maybe PG isn't the role for him but SG with elite defense and ball handling is just right.


His overall activity level and hustle around the court is a game changer too. He was a jolt of energy in the 2nd quarter. When his shot is on coming off the bench the Knicks are hard to beat. He is being agressive on drives too. He has a legit scoring bag when unleashed.

I'm hoping Deuce continues on the Payton Pritchard path. Don't know if Deuce will score like Pritchard, but he's a way better defender. Just need to see the steady improvements year over year.

He's trying to do a little more off the dribble these days --- not as elusive finding his shots off the dribble as Pritchard but I agree that would be a great player to emulate.

Me personally I love Cam/Deuce off the court and tempo picks up quick.

LivingLegend @ 12/20/2024 6:15 PM
martin wrote:Beast

If anything last night Precious at least allowed us to keep OG off Randle to start. Kept him out of foul trouble and gave us another look to throw at Julius when Thibs sic'd OG on him after 1st quarter.

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