Randle was and still is a good player but KAT is a superstar. DDV had a very good season for the Knicks last year but he’s really an ok to decent bench player. Mikal is a borderline superstar and the Knicks are a team nobody will want to face in the playoffs especially if they have Mitch available.
I mean anyone that said KAT wasn't a huge upgrade over Randle doesn't know ball sorry. The Mikal trade was an understandable overpay but it's offset by the fact that we stole KAT.
nycericanguy wrote:I mean anyone that said KAT wasn't a huge upgrade over Randle doesn't know ball sorry. The Mikal trade was an understandable overpay but it's offset by the fact that we stole KAT.
Rose had a plan when he traded RJ and IQ for OG and it wasn’t to permanently team up OG with Randle and DDV. He was bringing in superstars. I’m loving it.
Philc1 wrote:Randle was and still is a good player but KAT is a superstar. DDV had a very good season for the Knicks last year but he’s really an ok to decent bench player. Mikal is a borderline superstar and the Knicks are a team nobody will want to face in the playoffs especially if they have Mitch available.
In a way, yes. For some of us, this kind of performance is the natural consequence of the kinds of players we got. I don’t think anyone could predict the improvement KAT has shown here, though the trade made sense regardless based solely on positional size.
Mikal has gotten the most criticism based on cost but I don’t believe that has ever been fair. Bogs to Bridges cost a bit, but it was a missing piece situation.
The trades have left us a bit depleted and we are a bit heavy on rookies, but we also are a bit heavy on contract control.
I think we are a trade and/or free agency cycle away from the “team”, but this team can really make some noise. Note that Boston and Cleveland are a cycle or two ahead of us in their all in moments.
So much will be tied to Bridges performance, but I don’t believe that believe he earns out.
I was so wrong about KAT.
Randle is an All-Star level and very good player but KAT is an elite MVP level franchise level player and those are almost impossible to acquire unless you luck out and draft them.
Everyone has their own style of meds, right?
nycericanguy wrote:I mean anyone that said KAT wasn't a huge upgrade over Randle doesn't know ball sorry. The Mikal trade was an understandable overpay but it's offset by the fact that we stole KAT.
+1
What I find worse though was the HoW aRe We GoNnA rEpLaCe DdV?
Let's forget the actual players and their abilities for a second though. I think this team is really benefiting from Randle being absent considering Randle's penchant for being a moody little bitch
I believe it was vindicated when we watched the Knicks become one of the best teams in the league on offense. Still work to do in the second unit, better D overall, but the trades panned out weeks ago IMO.
I liked the trade as it was logical that Thibs and KAT had some meeting of the minds and perhaps more than anyting KAT matured and understands what Thibs was trying to do with him back in the day. Finch has a good rep as a coach and they did really well last year but that team looked like shit last night.
As for Randle being "Petty" and walking off the court without saying hey to his ex mates, well does the article mention anything about pregame? During warm ups? Maybe even before?
Nope. Was randle super pissed about the game? Maybe. Article piling on was weak.
They noted DDV hugged it out. Well, DDV was in Jalens bridal party, they go way the fuck back to college!!! He has Jalen, Josh (not there??) and Mikal. they are besties.
Jules is not besties with these guys and players get pissed when they are traded. They showered all kinds of love upon KAT but he wanted to kill it vs. his ex-mates!!!!
Mikal is not super star and likely to make an all star team. But we paid a big price for him. Fuck that, he is that solid player teams need to win chips.
Same for OG. He steals, deflects and makes the right play which is often passing. I'd say he does not make the allstar team but what a pleasure to see these fundamentally strong players make good plays.
"Vindicate"? I guess there were detractors or PhilC is paranoid?
Lets see how this all finishes by seasons end before we start this bipolar shit fans do after some nice wins and bad losses.
EwingsGlass wrote:Philc1 wrote:Randle was and still is a good player but KAT is a superstar. DDV had a very good season for the Knicks last year but he’s really an ok to decent bench player. Mikal is a borderline superstar and the Knicks are a team nobody will want to face in the playoffs especially if they have Mitch available.
In a way, yes. For some of us, this kind of performance is the natural consequence of the kinds of players we got. I don’t think anyone could predict the improvement KAT has shown here, though the trade made sense regardless based solely on positional size.
Mikal has gotten the most criticism based on cost but I don’t believe that has ever been fair. Bogs to Bridges cost a bit, but it was a missing piece situation.
The trades have left us a bit depleted and we are a bit heavy on rookies, but we also are a bit heavy on contract control.
I think we are a trade and/or free agency cycle away from the “team”, but this team can really make some noise. Note that Boston and Cleveland are a cycle or two ahead of us in their all in moments.
So much will be tied to Bridges performance, but I don’t believe that believe he earns out.
KAT has numerous 25/12/4 type seasons under his belt on elite efficiency. This is who he's always been.
Macri brought up good point Of Randle put up 50 points and the Wolves won by 20, would you have said the Knicks lost the trade? The answer is no. It's a long season. I think KAT's overall offensive efficiency this already season speaks volumes. If the Knicks end up winning 50 games and losing in the second round will that change your mind into thinking the trade was a mistake? There are still moves to be made. That said I'm just glad to see the team improve as the season goes on.
BigDaddyG wrote:Macri brought up good point Of Randle put up 50 points and the Wolves won by 20, would you have said the Knicks lost the trade? The answer is no. It's a long season. I think KAT's overall offensive efficiency this already season speaks volumes. If the Knicks end up winning 50 games and losing in the second round will that change your mind into thinking the trade was a mistake? There are still moves to be made. That said I'm just glad to see the team improve as the season goes on.
Im long that even the best "Super teams" need more than one season to ramp up to championship caliber.
In the age of parity and this CBA, and Windhorst alluded to this weeks ago that there need be time, or "trade cycles" to round out the roster.
We need more depth. Precious is still ramping up and on a one year deal. The first 5 minutes of the game he had those "precious moments" were the shots are there, but he looked to have the "Yips". OK, first start, still not in great shape, and big game atmosphere and national TV audience. We won and he played good enough to contribute. I hope he blows my concerns away and we still have enough money to resign him! Better yet, we are champs this year. Please let me be wrong........
but Im on the long road to enjoying the journey and still would think year two is when the window is really open. Other teams are also vying for the same things and sometimes its not the knicks "failing", its about the better team.
Meanwhile in San Antonio they have a skinny kid with range and a handle that is scaring the shit out of me! He turns 21 I think this month. These kids really don't figure it out until what? 25-26 years old. We get him Christmas day. Think he won't be amped up for that game? Im sure Thibs will have something cooked up for him and our guys will be prepared but will they execute it?
Wemby is the new messiah!!! (not yet)
Porzingis is a better defender, but Towns is for the Knicks who we hoped KP would be. Top 3 Center.
BigDaddyG wrote:Macri brought up good point Of Randle put up 50 points and the Wolves won by 20, would you have said the Knicks lost the trade? The answer is no. It's a long season. I think KAT's overall offensive efficiency this already season speaks volumes. If the Knicks end up winning 50 games and losing in the second round will that change your mind into thinking the trade was a mistake? There are still moves to be made. That said I'm just glad to see the team improve as the season goes on.
I agree but if Randle put up a 50-burger last night and the wolves win this messageboard would be a sh tshow today.
GustavBahler wrote:Porzingis is a better defender, but Towns is for the Knicks who we hoped KP would be. Top 3 Center.
Porzingis was a good shot blocker and defender before tore his ACL. He is a shell of his former self with no mobility or lateral quickness. A scarecrow like what Luka called him.
I am not going to talk about Randles d being worse than KATs. Will not talk about his efficiency being worse, his shooting, his passing.
Randle is not a winning player. He is soft mentally. His emotional IQ is ok for a 5 year old, not for an NBA player. I remember a MJ quote " game is 90% mental" KAT on the other hand pushes himself on every possession, offensive and defensive. Winning player. It's as simple as that for me
EwingsGlass wrote:Philc1 wrote:Randle was and still is a good player but KAT is a superstar. DDV had a very good season for the Knicks last year but he’s really an ok to decent bench player. Mikal is a borderline superstar and the Knicks are a team nobody will want to face in the playoffs especially if they have Mitch available.
In a way, yes. For some of us, this kind of performance is the natural consequence of the kinds of players we got. I don’t think anyone could predict the improvement KAT has shown here, though the trade made sense regardless based solely on positional size.
Mikal has gotten the most criticism based on cost but I don’t believe that has ever been fair. Bogs to Bridges cost a bit, but it was a missing piece situation.
The trades have left us a bit depleted and we are a bit heavy on rookies, but we also are a bit heavy on contract control.
I think we are a trade and/or free agency cycle away from the “team”, but this team can really make some noise. Note that Boston and Cleveland are a cycle or two ahead of us in their all in moments.
So much will be tied to Bridges performance, but I don’t believe that believe he earns out.
I honestly had wanted the Knicks to trade Mitch and Randle for KAT 2 years ago (pipe dream at the time)... but mostly because I wanted to move on from Randle and thought KAT was overpaid. I also thought KAT would slot in as a replacement PF and not become the C he has become...I still am not sure he can be the defensive presence we need but he has shocked me with how amazing he is offensively. If Thibs can develop him a bit more defensively the sky is the limit. If he can't I think we will be a top 4 team but will always be susceptible to struggling against lesser teams that know how to exploit our weakness. Good news is we don't have too many weaknesses and we are still building chemistry! It's a great year to be a Knicks fan!
EwingsGlass wrote:Philc1 wrote:Randle was and still is a good player but KAT is a superstar. DDV had a very good season for the Knicks last year but he’s really an ok to decent bench player. Mikal is a borderline superstar and the Knicks are a team nobody will want to face in the playoffs especially if they have Mitch available.
In a way, yes. For some of us, this kind of performance is the natural consequence of the kinds of players we got. I don’t think anyone could predict the improvement KAT has shown here, though the trade made sense regardless based solely on positional size.
Mikal has gotten the most criticism based on cost but I don’t believe that has ever been fair. Bogs to Bridges cost a bit, but it was a missing piece situation.
The trades have left us a bit depleted and we are a bit heavy on rookies, but we also are a bit heavy on contract control.
I think we are a trade and/or free agency cycle away from the “team”, but this team can really make some noise. Note that Boston and Cleveland are a cycle or two ahead of us in their all in moments.
So much will be tied to Bridges performance, but I don’t believe that believe he earns out.
In a way, yes. For some of us, this kind of performance is the natural consequence of the kinds of players we got. I don’t think anyone could predict the improvement KAT has shown here, though the trade made sense regardless based solely on positional size.
I never predicted his stat increase. But I predicted a positive impact on our team both sides. And overall synergy, Especially replacing a 6’9 Forward for a7’0 Forward. Add in Kat is NOT a black hole which is perfect for our captain, no brainer and easy prediction. Which is why DDV may have looked like an over pay but Leon was banking on the positive impact out weighing depth which is easily fixable vs surrounding JB with all star caliber players. These guys would fit on any championship team. Place a superstar with this group and you will always be title contenders. Cam Payne may be that championship piece that puts us over who knows. It’s a long season.
Mikal
Kat
OG
Josh (triple down man)
Deuce (ultimate six man)
That trade unlocked Deuce which is an underrated impact on the positives that continue to grow like the stock market, just listen to his postgame, full of mature confidence. It’s like Leon was baking a roast (knew him as a rookie correct?) and knew it was only a matter of time before Kat was free AND READY to lead NYC to its next chip.
Love Randle and miss his bully type style and energy. It’s like I was always happy the bully is on our team and not there’s. Until BIG BODY BRUNSON arrived. Randles replacement……Can’t have two bullies plus Mitch. On paper that’s clunky. KAT smoothes out all those problems in ONE MOVE.
Leon the great.
When we get a chip I hope Leon gets what he deserves. Best move by Dolan. Hired him and got out his way.
BigDaddyG wrote:Macri brought up good point Of Randle put up 50 points and the Wolves won by 20, would you have said the Knicks lost the trade? The answer is no. It's a long season. I think KAT's overall offensive efficiency this already season speaks volumes. If the Knicks end up winning 50 games and losing in the second round will that change your mind into thinking the trade was a mistake? There are still moves to be made. That said I'm just glad to see the team improve as the season goes on.
Nope…not for me…Always looked at Randle as addition by subtraction long term move. So any short term performance he puts up, I was one of the few saying “Can we trade him now?”…….lol. As we can see he’s the same player. When he adapts and reduces his bully style he’s a roll player at best. He needs to be a black hole to justify his worth. Kat already got his money. And he’s the opposite of a black hole. Makes quick decisions even when shooting bad 3s. They are quick moves.
But most would agree with you.
FOR ME…….Even if it’s a neutral move and we still can’t get out of 2nd round this move increases our ceiling more to eventually get there.
blkexec wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:Macri brought up good point Of Randle put up 50 points and the Wolves won by 20, would you have said the Knicks lost the trade? The answer is no. It's a long season. I think KAT's overall offensive efficiency this already season speaks volumes. If the Knicks end up winning 50 games and losing in the second round will that change your mind into thinking the trade was a mistake? There are still moves to be made. That said I'm just glad to see the team improve as the season goes on.
Nope…not for me…Always looked at Randle as addition by subtraction long term move. So any short term performance he puts up, I was one of the few saying “Can we trade him now?”…….lol. As we can see he’s the same player. When he adapts and reduces his bully style he’s a roll player at best. He needs to be a black hole to justify his worth. Kat already got his money. And he’s the opposite of a black hole. Makes quick decisions even when shooting bad 3s. They are quick moves.
But most would agree with you.
FOR ME…….Even if it’s a neutral move and we still can’t get out of 2nd round this move increases our ceiling more to eventually get there.
If we lose in the second round again, it might not be the trade but the coach. Not predicting anything, just have to see what happens.
