BigDaddyG wrote:Uptown wrote:GustavBahler wrote:martin wrote:GustavBahler wrote:martin wrote:Precious seems to be picking up his play but I with he was a bit stronger or better rebounder or something, just a bit undersized for a small ball C?
Think he’s a better fit at PF. What I’m hoping to see is Mitch and Precious subbing in at the same time, and seeing how they do as a tandem. Would be nice for Thibs to have the option/luxury of being able to rest both KAT and JB at the same time, early in the game.
Speaking of subs, is it me or was this first game in a while where Thibs brought in three players off the bench at the same time? Cam/Shamet/Precious in the first quarter. Normally I see one, maybe two players.
Do you really think Thibs or any coach in this modern times of basketball would really deploy Mitch and Precious and sit our 2 offensive stars at same time unless it's a singular defensive possession? Just don't think that's a doable combo unless Precious becomes stout at the left corner 3.
I'm trying to imagine a rotation with Mitch, Precious and KAT and what combos realistically fit. And I'm not coming up with much and the easiest solution seems to move Mitch and use Huk as the 3rd string C.
Absolutely, I see teams rest the stars at the same time, early in the game. Sometimes coaches decide to stagger their minutes when the chemistry isn’t there. Bridges, OG, Precious, can all get buckets. and Mitch is a lob threat as well. Cam can get hot from 3.
As I said it’s about having that option because Mitch and Precious can handle the load. That’s what I’d like to find out. Mitch and Precious might turn out to be a great tandem, like to see Thibs give it a try.
Thought Precious and Kat looked good together for the few mins they played together. Precious is too small to hold-down the 5 for extended mins, but him and Kat work together. Would lke to see more of that...
The +/- numbers back it up. It has been a decent. Can't wait to see what a Mitch/Towns lineup looks like.
https://bsky.app/profile/tommybeernba.bs...
In the 144 minutes KAT and Precious Achiuwa have shared the floor together this season, New York has outscored their opponents by 44 points and is allowing just 104.4 points per 100 possessions. That’s the best DefRtg among all NY’s two-man lineups that have logged more than 100 mins together.
Right. You are spot on, from the bottom half of some sort of glass splitting hairs difference between being top 4 and 6th?
That’s some weird way to pass time and put any effort into. I get the Tommy Beer level stuff and then there’s debby going all downhill, right?
Even in wins, it seems like it’s all about how poorly the Knicks just won.
Panos wrote:martin wrote:Lots of ways to look at it I guess. Bummer that yours will always be less than half full, kinda takes the fun out of it honestly.Panos wrote:martin wrote:Oh
There are only 5 teams in the NBA with less than 16 losses.
The Knicks ain't one of them.
That wasn't my point. I'm thrilled where they are in the standings following a lack-luster stretch. My point is only that these MEME stats are always cherry picked and misleading. He picked "wins" (4th place) because that skews the data over "losses" (6th place) or "win percentage" (tied for 5th).
It's like those stat cherry-picks: "35 pts, 11 assists, 5 rebs on 48% shooting over 5 games in the month of March puts him in the company with Michael Jordan, Oscar Robinson and Larry Bird" Memes. Sure they are great stats! And I love how he's playing, but come on with the comparisons. Those guys were great not because they did something for a month or 20 games, because they were rather consistently great over large periods of time.
franco12 wrote:Dragon wrote:Brunson burns a lot of time at the begining of each 24..... he keeps dribiling then we found ourselves with 5 to shoot..... try to listen how many times our coaches yell Three threee.... for the team to shoot before clock expires.....
not sure is it Brunson's fault, or the one who should come and give him the pick? or both? but we need to be faster I guess and not reach the 5 seconds each time..... not 7 seconds or less of course, but not 24 too
Part of this is Brunson slow walks the ball over- and we’re starting with 16 left on the clock. when Payne is in, the ball is across in 4 seconds of less. I think they were tired from playing the day before, partly.
Its not only this game, this happens in all games.... he is slow getting it up, and slow to decide what to do or recieve the pick..... this always translate into no time to get the right decision
Dragon wrote:franco12 wrote:Dragon wrote:Brunson burns a lot of time at the begining of each 24..... he keeps dribiling then we found ourselves with 5 to shoot..... try to listen how many times our coaches yell Three threee.... for the team to shoot before clock expires.....
not sure is it Brunson's fault, or the one who should come and give him the pick? or both? but we need to be faster I guess and not reach the 5 seconds each time..... not 7 seconds or less of course, but not 24 too
Part of this is Brunson slow walks the ball over- and we’re starting with 16 left on the clock. when Payne is in, the ball is across in 4 seconds of less. I think they were tired from playing the day before, partly.
Its not only this game, this happens in all games.... he is slow getting it up, and slow to decide what to do or recieve the pick..... this always translate into no time to get the right decision
You are presuming this is not on purpose - that its the product of some form of indecision. That he isn't just burning clock. The man is about as deliberate of a player as I have seen in my career. Deliberate footwork. Deliberate passing. Why would you assume his clock management is arbitrary?
I thought it was interesting that the Nets seemed to call a timeout out in the 4th Q every time the Knicks looked tired. To my eye, we still have a 4th Q problem due to minutes distribution. The Nets coached their way out of a win and got what they wanted - a competitive game that ended in a L
EwingsGlass wrote:Dragon wrote:franco12 wrote:Dragon wrote:Brunson burns a lot of time at the begining of each 24..... he keeps dribiling then we found ourselves with 5 to shoot..... try to listen how many times our coaches yell Three threee.... for the team to shoot before clock expires.....
not sure is it Brunson's fault, or the one who should come and give him the pick? or both? but we need to be faster I guess and not reach the 5 seconds each time..... not 7 seconds or less of course, but not 24 too
Part of this is Brunson slow walks the ball over- and we’re starting with 16 left on the clock. when Payne is in, the ball is across in 4 seconds of less. I think they were tired from playing the day before, partly.
Its not only this game, this happens in all games.... he is slow getting it up, and slow to decide what to do or recieve the pick..... this always translate into no time to get the right decision
You are presuming this is not on purpose - that its the product of some form of indecision. That he isn't just burning clock. The man is about as deliberate of a player as I have seen in my career. Deliberate footwork. Deliberate passing. Why would you assume his clock management is arbitrary?
Marbury used to do the same thing. Brunson started last season, ball stopping, but as the season progressed, JB became more of a distributor. I see the same thing happening again this season.
Brunson can be frustrating to watch at times because he's shown he can make these amazing, high difficulty passes in traffic, but he can also look off a teammate to force up a shot. Overall Brunson is getting better as the season moves along.
I'm guessing the pace Brunson plays, is also about pacing himself, conserving energy for the 4th quarter. Which is understandable when you (and your teammates) are logging more minutes than pretty much everyone else in the league.
GustavBahler wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:Dragon wrote:franco12 wrote:Dragon wrote:Brunson burns a lot of time at the begining of each 24..... he keeps dribiling then we found ourselves with 5 to shoot..... try to listen how many times our coaches yell Three threee.... for the team to shoot before clock expires.....
not sure is it Brunson's fault, or the one who should come and give him the pick? or both? but we need to be faster I guess and not reach the 5 seconds each time..... not 7 seconds or less of course, but not 24 too
Part of this is Brunson slow walks the ball over- and we’re starting with 16 left on the clock. when Payne is in, the ball is across in 4 seconds of less. I think they were tired from playing the day before, partly.
Its not only this game, this happens in all games.... he is slow getting it up, and slow to decide what to do or recieve the pick..... this always translate into no time to get the right decision
You are presuming this is not on purpose - that its the product of some form of indecision. That he isn't just burning clock. The man is about as deliberate of a player as I have seen in my career. Deliberate footwork. Deliberate passing. Why would you assume his clock management is arbitrary?
Marbury used to do the same thing. Brunson started last season, ball stopping, but as the season progressed, JB became more of a distributor. I see the same thing happening again this season.
Brunson can be frustrating to watch at times because he's shown he can make these amazing, high difficulty passes in traffic, but he can also look off a teammate to force up a shot. Overall Brunson is getting better as the season moves along.
I'm guessing the pace Brunson plays, is also about pacing himself, conserving energy for the 4th quarter. Which is understandable when you (and your teammates) are logging more minutes than pretty much everyone else in the league.
definitely guessing. That much is for sure.
fishmike wrote:GustavBahler wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:Dragon wrote:franco12 wrote:Dragon wrote:Brunson burns a lot of time at the begining of each 24..... he keeps dribiling then we found ourselves with 5 to shoot..... try to listen how many times our coaches yell Three threee.... for the team to shoot before clock expires.....
not sure is it Brunson's fault, or the one who should come and give him the pick? or both? but we need to be faster I guess and not reach the 5 seconds each time..... not 7 seconds or less of course, but not 24 too
Part of this is Brunson slow walks the ball over- and we’re starting with 16 left on the clock. when Payne is in, the ball is across in 4 seconds of less. I think they were tired from playing the day before, partly.
Its not only this game, this happens in all games.... he is slow getting it up, and slow to decide what to do or recieve the pick..... this always translate into no time to get the right decision
You are presuming this is not on purpose - that its the product of some form of indecision. That he isn't just burning clock. The man is about as deliberate of a player as I have seen in my career. Deliberate footwork. Deliberate passing. Why would you assume his clock management is arbitrary?
Marbury used to do the same thing. Brunson started last season, ball stopping, but as the season progressed, JB became more of a distributor. I see the same thing happening again this season.
Brunson can be frustrating to watch at times because he's shown he can make these amazing, high difficulty passes in traffic, but he can also look off a teammate to force up a shot. Overall Brunson is getting better as the season moves along.
I'm guessing the pace Brunson plays, is also about pacing himself, conserving energy for the 4th quarter. Which is understandable when you (and your teammates) are logging more minutes than pretty much everyone else in the league.
definitely guessing. That much is for sure.
No guessing the Knicks starters have been playing more minutes than anyone else. Opposing teams talk about it, sportswriters talk about it, former players, HoFers talk about it. Brunson trying not to get worn out from league leading minutes, is a good guess.
GustavBahler wrote:fishmike wrote:GustavBahler wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:Dragon wrote:franco12 wrote:Dragon wrote:Brunson burns a lot of time at the begining of each 24..... he keeps dribiling then we found ourselves with 5 to shoot..... try to listen how many times our coaches yell Three threee.... for the team to shoot before clock expires.....
not sure is it Brunson's fault, or the one who should come and give him the pick? or both? but we need to be faster I guess and not reach the 5 seconds each time..... not 7 seconds or less of course, but not 24 too
Part of this is Brunson slow walks the ball over- and we’re starting with 16 left on the clock. when Payne is in, the ball is across in 4 seconds of less. I think they were tired from playing the day before, partly.
Its not only this game, this happens in all games.... he is slow getting it up, and slow to decide what to do or recieve the pick..... this always translate into no time to get the right decision
You are presuming this is not on purpose - that its the product of some form of indecision. That he isn't just burning clock. The man is about as deliberate of a player as I have seen in my career. Deliberate footwork. Deliberate passing. Why would you assume his clock management is arbitrary?
Marbury used to do the same thing. Brunson started last season, ball stopping, but as the season progressed, JB became more of a distributor. I see the same thing happening again this season.
Brunson can be frustrating to watch at times because he's shown he can make these amazing, high difficulty passes in traffic, but he can also look off a teammate to force up a shot. Overall Brunson is getting better as the season moves along.
I'm guessing the pace Brunson plays, is also about pacing himself, conserving energy for the 4th quarter. Which is understandable when you (and your teammates) are logging more minutes than pretty much everyone else in the league.
definitely guessing. That much is for sure.
No guessing the Knicks starters have been playing more minutes than anyone else. Opposing teams talk about it, sportswriters talk about it, former players, HoFers talk about it. Brunson trying not to get worn out from league leading minutes, is a good guess.
so you are just a sheep and just follow what folks say? Same people "talking about that" dont even know the roster. They have to talk about something because Thib's antiquated non modern offense chatter didnt last. Gotta move onto something else.
Actually you might be right... look what happened right after Reggie played a career high minutes per game (39). He died!
https://www.basketball-reference.com/pla... 
fishmike wrote:GustavBahler wrote:fishmike wrote:GustavBahler wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:Dragon wrote:franco12 wrote:Dragon wrote:Brunson burns a lot of time at the begining of each 24..... he keeps dribiling then we found ourselves with 5 to shoot..... try to listen how many times our coaches yell Three threee.... for the team to shoot before clock expires.....
not sure is it Brunson's fault, or the one who should come and give him the pick? or both? but we need to be faster I guess and not reach the 5 seconds each time..... not 7 seconds or less of course, but not 24 too
Part of this is Brunson slow walks the ball over- and we’re starting with 16 left on the clock. when Payne is in, the ball is across in 4 seconds of less. I think they were tired from playing the day before, partly.
Its not only this game, this happens in all games.... he is slow getting it up, and slow to decide what to do or recieve the pick..... this always translate into no time to get the right decision
You are presuming this is not on purpose - that its the product of some form of indecision. That he isn't just burning clock. The man is about as deliberate of a player as I have seen in my career. Deliberate footwork. Deliberate passing. Why would you assume his clock management is arbitrary?
Marbury used to do the same thing. Brunson started last season, ball stopping, but as the season progressed, JB became more of a distributor. I see the same thing happening again this season.
Brunson can be frustrating to watch at times because he's shown he can make these amazing, high difficulty passes in traffic, but he can also look off a teammate to force up a shot. Overall Brunson is getting better as the season moves along.
I'm guessing the pace Brunson plays, is also about pacing himself, conserving energy for the 4th quarter. Which is understandable when you (and your teammates) are logging more minutes than pretty much everyone else in the league.
definitely guessing. That much is for sure.
No guessing the Knicks starters have been playing more minutes than anyone else. Opposing teams talk about it, sportswriters talk about it, former players, HoFers talk about it. Brunson trying not to get worn out from league leading minutes, is a good guess.
so you are just a sheep and just follow what folks say? Same people "talking about that" dont even know the roster. They have to talk about something because Thib's antiquated non modern offense chatter didnt last. Gotta move onto something else.Actually you might be right... look what happened right after Reggie played a career high minutes per game (39). He died!
https://www.basketball-reference.com/pla...
I see more sheep-like behavior in the way you defend anything Thibs does as a coach. Right everyone is built like Reggie Lewis.
Some coaches can make it work. Thibs hasnt. If he had a track record of going deep in tbe playoffs over his very long career. it wouldnt be an issue. Until Thibs can prove that its the right strategy, having almost his entire starting unit lead tbe league in minutes, doubling down. its going to be discussed by everyone wether you like it or not. You are one of the few fans who dont see it as a problem.
Are we still discussing whether Brunson holds the ball too long?
My only point was that he has an assist rate over 33%, an TO% of 9% and a TS*% over 60%. He’s making good decisions with the ball.
EwingsGlass wrote:Are we still discussing whether Brunson holds the ball too long? My only point was that he has an assist rate over 33%, an TO% of 9% and a TS*% over 60%. He’s making good decisions with the ball.
I am not discussing if Brunson is good or not, for me he is the best guard we got ever, I will take him over any PG in the league.
My question is, is there a fault in the ofence plan that leads to burning all the time and many times shoot the ball while the coaches yell the shoot clock?
it might not be Brunson, it might be whoever is supposed to execute the play, maybe they are late to set the pick or take position..... whatever it is, Brunson, Thibs or others.... it can't be good that many times in each game we are reaching the last second in the shot clock and taking forced shots....
Dragon wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:Are we still discussing whether Brunson holds the ball too long? My only point was that he has an assist rate over 33%, an TO% of 9% and a TS*% over 60%. He’s making good decisions with the ball.
I am not discussing if Brunson is good or not, for me he is the best guard we got ever, I will take him over any PG in the league.
My question is, is there a fault in the ofence plan that leads to burning all the time and many times shoot the ball while the coaches yell the shoot clock?
it might not be Brunson, it might be whoever is supposed to execute the play, maybe they are late to set the pick or take position..... whatever it is, Brunson, Thibs or others.... it can't be good that many times in each game we are reaching the last second in the shot clock and taking forced shots....
My point is it isn’t resulting in inefficiency in any advanced stats and there is no indication it isn’t deliberate. They may just be managing the clock and looking for a mistake in the defense. There is no indication that the late clock shots are any worse than the mid-shot clock plays. He is not more turnover prone. He is not taking inefficient shots. His metrics are all on point. Meaning, this feels nit-picky.
EwingsGlass wrote:Are we still discussing whether Brunson holds the ball too long? My only point was that he has an assist rate over 33%, an TO% of 9% and a TS*% over 60%. He’s making good decisions with the ball.
Brunson has to have the all in his hands that’s his game. He’s not Jason Kidd he’s not a full court press guy he’s a half court dribble and break down the defense pg
