#1 Fire Thibs
Thibs is great at getting 2nd and 3 tier teams to overachieve, but he has a ceiling. Like in Chess, has a strong opening and mid game but when he reaches endgame it’s like he has no creativity.
#2 Get a defensive Center with an average offensive game. Rim protector that can put up 15 points on a very good game. Any suggestions? Someone we don’t have to give up too much for?
#3. Slide everyone down a position. Play Kat at PF, move OG to SF, move Bridges to SG.
Mitchell/CENTER
Kat/OG/Hart
OG/Hart/Bridges
Bridges/McBride/Hart
Brunson/Kolek/McBride
9 man rotation, now we have a deep bench and a big lineup
This team is just burnt out. We have seen this all playoffs, this game 4 we had too many turnovers, all signs of being exhausted. Also I think KAT could trim up and lose 10 lbs.
Trade KAT for Durant. Trade Deuce for Walker Kessler.
Brunson - Mikal - OG - Durant - Kessler
Kolek - Wright - Hart - Mitch
Dadiet - Hukporti
Durant actually fills a ton of holes on this team and we become one of the best defensive teams in the league.
We get a deep shooter we desperately need who can get shots off against any defense. A guy who can play good team defense. Will also rebound and secondary playmake and hit the momentum shots that no one else on this team makes besides Brunson.
Another guy I’d consider if we’re keeping things the same is Chris Paul.
I don't think Mikal is right for this team.
He isn't physical on the ball or point of attack
He doesn't make corner 3s consistently
He doesn't handle the ball well
We need a wing who does 2/3 of the above.
I think you have to look at what's available in deals for Mikal or KAT.
The only way they trade Mikal is in a blockbuster - they will never get close to equal value for him so I doubt they cut ties. He’s still a guy who can contribute to winning and they are still a winning team. I would agree they need a better guy to guard the Halliburtons’s of the world. Wright guards him better than anyone we got.
DLeethal wrote:The only way they trade Mikal is in a blockbuster - they will never get close to equal value for him so I doubt they cut ties. He’s still a guy who can contribute to winning and they are still a winning team. I would agree they need a better guy to guard the Halliburtons’s of the world. Wright guards him better than anyone we got.
Sunk cost. Not the right fit. Next move is to extend him. Cut bait.
VDesai wrote:DLeethal wrote:The only way they trade Mikal is in a blockbuster - they will never get close to equal value for him so I doubt they cut ties. He’s still a guy who can contribute to winning and they are still a winning team. I would agree they need a better guy to guard the Halliburtons’s of the world. Wright guards him better than anyone we got.
Sunk cost. Not the right fit. Next move is to extend him. Cut bait.
I think that’s extreme. He’s a versatile guy who can fit many roles including 6th man. He doesn’t HAVE to be your starting 2 guard.
would not be surprised if we run it back and just add better depth
we dont need any desperation moves, we beat BOS which is what we were built to do, and BOS will only be weaker going forward. We are right there with IND, if only for that game 1.
I think just signing a guy like Hortford, along with more chemistry and growth from guys like Huk would go a long way.
nycericanguy wrote:we dont need any desperation moves, we beat BOS which is what we were built to do, and BOS will only be weaker going forward. We are right there with IND, if only for that game 1.I think just signing a guy like Hortford, along with more chemistry and growth from guys like Huk would go a long way.
If the Knicks could solidify Horford, I'd guess they would try to move Mitch for a PoA guy?
nycericanguy wrote:we dont need any desperation moves, we beat BOS which is what we were built to do, and BOS will only be weaker going forward. We are right there with IND, if only for that game 1.I think just signing a guy like Hortford, along with more chemistry and growth from guys like Huk would go a long way.
We are definitely not there with IND and Game 1 wasn’t an aberration, but a confirmation of a huge issue this team has had all year long.
This team does need a defensive starting center, but not Horford. He is 38, what are we talking about? I wish we could’ve undone the Mikal trade, because those picks could’ve given us a real difference maker at C like Kessler.
martin wrote:nycericanguy wrote:we dont need any desperation moves, we beat BOS which is what we were built to do, and BOS will only be weaker going forward. We are right there with IND, if only for that game 1.I think just signing a guy like Hortford, along with more chemistry and growth from guys like Huk would go a long way.
If the Knicks could solidify Horford, I'd guess they would try to move Mitch for a PoA guy?
no way, Mitch is a big part of this team. Hortford could be a great glue guy for 20mpg and can play next to KAT or Mitch.
Knicksfan wrote:nycericanguy wrote:we dont need any desperation moves, we beat BOS which is what we were built to do, and BOS will only be weaker going forward. We are right there with IND, if only for that game 1.I think just signing a guy like Hortford, along with more chemistry and growth from guys like Huk would go a long way.
We are definitely not there with IND and Game 1 wasn’t an aberration, but a confirmation of a huge issue this team has had all year long.
This team does need a defensive starting center, but not Horford. I wish we could’ve undone the Mikal trade, because those picks could’ve given us a real difference maker at C like Kessler.
Going into last nights game there was a 2 point difference, yes we are right there and this series should easily be 2-2.
Yes it sucks right now, but you cant be irrational and emotional. We didn't close out game 1, but IND also hit a ton of lucky shots to win that game. Nesmith literally went 6-6 from 3 in about 3 minutes, that NEVER Happens, Hali got an incredibly lucky bounce at the end also.
it happened and its a loss, but lets not act like IND is blowing us out of the water either.
last night we lost because of TO's, its not like IND just dominated on sheer talent. We made alot of unforced TO's and it cost us.
nycericanguy wrote:martin wrote:nycericanguy wrote:we dont need any desperation moves, we beat BOS which is what we were built to do, and BOS will only be weaker going forward. We are right there with IND, if only for that game 1.I think just signing a guy like Hortford, along with more chemistry and growth from guys like Huk would go a long way.
If the Knicks could solidify Horford, I'd guess they would try to move Mitch for a PoA guy?
no way, Mitch is a big part of this team. Hortford could be a great glue guy for 20mpg and can play next to KAT or Mitch.
Soon to be 39yo Horford? Who by this time next year will be 40?
We need a guy like him, yes, but not him! We need a guy that can play starters minutes because he has to balance Brunson’s act.
DLeethal wrote:Trade KAT for Durant. Trade Deuce for Walker Kessler. Brunson - Mikal - OG - Durant - Kessler
Kolek - Wright - Hart - Mitch
Dadiet - Hukporti
Durant actually fills a ton of holes on this team and we become one of the best defensive teams in the league.
We get a deep shooter we desperately need who can get shots off against any defense. A guy who can play good team defense. Will also rebound and secondary playmake and hit the momentum shots that no one else on this team makes besides Brunson.
Man if Durant were 34, maybe. But you need to extend him and tack on 2-3 years to make a trade worthwhile?
Knicksfan wrote:nycericanguy wrote:martin wrote:nycericanguy wrote:we dont need any desperation moves, we beat BOS which is what we were built to do, and BOS will only be weaker going forward. We are right there with IND, if only for that game 1.I think just signing a guy like Hortford, along with more chemistry and growth from guys like Huk would go a long way.
If the Knicks could solidify Horford, I'd guess they would try to move Mitch for a PoA guy?
no way, Mitch is a big part of this team. Hortford could be a great glue guy for 20mpg and can play next to KAT or Mitch.
Soon to be 39yo Horford? Who by this time next year will be 40?
We need a guy like him, yes, but not him! We need a guy that can play starters minutes because he has to balance Brunson’s act.
i mean he still played almost 30mpg on the defending champs and started mostly.
For 15-20mpg he can still be a very solid piece. You need those high IQ vets. He's a suped up version of Taj Gibson and Taj was huge for us at times with his defense and IQ.
DLeethal wrote:VDesai wrote:DLeethal wrote:The only way they trade Mikal is in a blockbuster - they will never get close to equal value for him so I doubt they cut ties. He’s still a guy who can contribute to winning and they are still a winning team. I would agree they need a better guy to guard the Halliburtons’s of the world. Wright guards him better than anyone we got.
Sunk cost. Not the right fit. Next move is to extend him. Cut bait.
I think that’s extreme. He’s a versatile guy who can fit many roles including 6th man. He doesn’t HAVE to be your starting 2 guard.
Nah he's been here 100 games and he plays a style that doesn't really mesh with the team. We want to create corner 3's - he can't make them. We want him to guard ballhandlers and he wants to give them two feet of space. He has almost zero chemistry with Brunson. We have to extend him where he will be here another 4 or decide he isn't the right guy...we can still move off him.
I really think if we had someone in the lineup that was a real 3 pt shooter or physical defender it would make quite a bit of difference. Mikal decides he wants to do it about a third of the time and then literally fades away the rest of the time. He can be a good player for someone, but he's not the right fit with this group.
nycericanguy wrote:martin wrote:nycericanguy wrote:we dont need any desperation moves, we beat BOS which is what we were built to do, and BOS will only be weaker going forward. We are right there with IND, if only for that game 1.I think just signing a guy like Hortford, along with more chemistry and growth from guys like Huk would go a long way.
If the Knicks could solidify Horford, I'd guess they would try to move Mitch for a PoA guy?
no way, Mitch is a big part of this team. Hortford could be a great glue guy for 20mpg and can play next to KAT or Mitch.
I both love Mitch and struggle with Mitch. What Mitch does well, he is ungoldly elite at; rebounding, defense, moving his feet, overall motor, interviews.
You can probably only play Mitch 25 minutes a game at most, with the risk of significant downtime but Knicks trainers would know best. In the deep playoffs, Mitch is almost a glorified situational player. That seems almost correct. He can be a wrecking ball in spurts or kill you as badly because of his limitations.
Mitch will never have better trade value than right after this season ends, for better or worse.
martin wrote:nycericanguy wrote:martin wrote:nycericanguy wrote:we dont need any desperation moves, we beat BOS which is what we were built to do, and BOS will only be weaker going forward. We are right there with IND, if only for that game 1.I think just signing a guy like Hortford, along with more chemistry and growth from guys like Huk would go a long way.
If the Knicks could solidify Horford, I'd guess they would try to move Mitch for a PoA guy?
no way, Mitch is a big part of this team. Hortford could be a great glue guy for 20mpg and can play next to KAT or Mitch.
I both love Mitch and struggle with Mitch. What Mitch does well, he is ungoldly elite at; rebounding, defense, moving his feet, overall motor, interviews.
You can probably only play Mitch 25 minutes a game at most, with the risk of significant downtime but Knicks trainers would know best. In the deep playoffs, Mitch is almost a glorified situational player. That seems almost correct. He can be a wrecking ball in spurts or kill you as badly because of his limitations.
Mitch will never have better trade value than right after this season ends, for better or worse.
His contract goes down to $12m, he's not untouchable but I don't think we'd get back a player that can impact games the way Mitch does. And with KAT's defensive issues we need that backup.
VDesai wrote:DLeethal wrote:VDesai wrote:DLeethal wrote:The only way they trade Mikal is in a blockbuster - they will never get close to equal value for him so I doubt they cut ties. He’s still a guy who can contribute to winning and they are still a winning team. I would agree they need a better guy to guard the Halliburtons’s of the world. Wright guards him better than anyone we got.
Sunk cost. Not the right fit. Next move is to extend him. Cut bait.
I think that’s extreme. He’s a versatile guy who can fit many roles including 6th man. He doesn’t HAVE to be your starting 2 guard.
Nah he's been here 100 games and he plays a style that doesn't really mesh with the team. We want to create corner 3's - he can't make them. We want him to guard ballhandlers and he wants to give them two feet of space. He has almost zero chemistry with Brunson. We have to extend him where he will be here another 4 or decide he isn't the right guy...we can still move off him.
I really think if we had someone in the lineup that was a real 3 pt shooter or physical defender it would make quite a bit of difference. Mikal decides he wants to do it about a third of the time and then literally fades away the rest of the time. He can be a good player for someone, but he's not the right fit with this group.
Wasn't Mikal one of the best corner 3pt shooters in the NBA this season?
