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CP3 might actually be the answer at starting SG tbh. Like Kidd in 2013. Help relive Brunson of all ball handling duties, and can defend POA very well.

This is not a team that took a step back. Its one that moved forward thru the season. This is not the 2nd round and we stagnated.When you lose a series the other teams made you look bad because they are a better team. We are losing to a better team here and now.
Im sure most of you disagree but we down 1-3. Reality bites.
This is Indy's second trip to ECF's. They are breaking thru. Improbable given the regular season but if you look at the 2nd half record you see its not. They are not world beaters but thats because there are not great teams in the NBA currently. But at this moment they are better than Clev and perhaps us unless we prove otherwise. Could they get thru a healthy Boston this year? We'll never know.

Kessler is more valuable than just Deuce.
Herb Jones makes Mitch money so its an easy mention but whose minutes is he eating? Who goes?
What yoot is due to make a move to the rotation? How do we maximize salary with them?
Stay with Mitch another year and likely let him walk or trade him this off season for picks or a project?
Can Huk stay healthy?

Kat is morphing into Embiid. Similar style plays but not as dirty. Joel is a better defender. Big 7 footers that can get to the rim. Rare commodity. He gets mauled and he mauls "silly". Can we get him to improve defensively. Not saying he has to be great, just better? His body is taking a beating. Is this sustainable?

Bridges has a few great clutch games. Defensive stops that ended games. He was bad last night. Again time to panic?
Josh! I love Josh. He works hard on his jumper and has streaks but we need a 2 guard that can shoot. When he is on we win. We destroy teams. When not he takes it to the rim and he kicks it out which is not awful, but we eating too much time.

Too many questions to be addressed before team is to make tweaks. They will but its also about opportunity to who is available if trade is on the table.

I have no qualms that there is a chemistry issue to derive the max from this teams potential but even discussing moves based on the emotionality of losing a game the night before out of frustration even for a fan is not good thought process if anyone is to be taken seriously.
At least look at the money when doing so and who will get paid. Kessler will get a raise soon. Can we afford it? What does Utah really want for him?

Haliburton is obnoxious but he freaking was incredible leading his team. Credit the pacers. They getting it done.

No Mitch, no ECF. No way we would have made it without him. I would keep Mitch on the bench next season.

What is Bridges trade value? IDK, but I don’t want to watch another season of Bridges taking the longest route to the rim to avoid contact, or fall back jumpers.

I’m also worried about KAT and Brunson’s D collectively. The team can get away with one liability on D, not two. I seriously doubt we trade KAT. So whoever is coach next season is going to have to figure out a way to make it work. I don’t believe starting Mitch is the answer. Just like Gobert wasn’t the answer next to KAT in Minny.

Maybe trade Bridges, move Hart to the bench and find a better fit in the starting lineup who can defend bigs.

Brook Lopez and a good bench guard, better then, Shamet

Alpha1971 wrote:Brook Lopez and a good bench guard, better then, Shamet

Shamet is not the issue. Maybe he needs more time to gain rhythm?
His career did not follow his early trajectory but at the low price and a full season can he come close to DDV?
Our former gunslinger is not reliable BTW. DDV has his moments and can light it up but there are many times he does not and it hurts Minny. We traded him at peak perhaps.
I like Shamet foot speed and ability to create space for his shot. Defensively he is quick.
Lets understand the key is to get players on the cheap that can be restored to potential. Bonafide talent are expensive. Teams don't want to trade them cheap or let them walk.
Im not sold on Shamet 100% but at times we see the vision FO had for him and how he could fit. He lost a huge part to the season to his shoulder injury. Cam is a mess on defense. Deuce seems to have issues getting to the rim. Love the effort and the defense!!!

GustavBahler wrote:No Mitch, no ECF. No way we would have made it without him. I would keep Mitch on the bench next season.

What is Bridges trade value? IDK, but I don’t want to watch another season of Bridges taking the longest route to the rim to avoid contact, or fall back jumpers.

I’m also worried about KAT and Brunson’s D collectively. The team can get away with one liability on D, not two. I seriously doubt we trade KAT. So whoever is coach next season is going to have to figure out a way to make it work. I don’t believe starting Mitch is the answer. Just like Gobert wasn’t the answer next to KAT in Minny.

Maybe trade Bridges, move Hart to the bench and find a better fit in the starting lineup who can defend bigs.

Agree with most

At the end of the day, we are playing 7 vs 10.
Our starters have played 33% more minutes in playoffs something like over 3k to Pacers 2300.
Add the fact that the 10 the Pacers have can all hit a three consistently and we have Hart and MR that can’t shoot. We are not there roster wise.
Run it again and add some bench help and a replacement for Hart in SL. Which would help bench.
We have some young guys so maybe they take a Deuce type of step forward?

Nalod wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:Brook Lopez and a good bench guard, better then, Shamet

Shamet is not the issue. Maybe he needs more time to gain rhythm?
His career did not follow his early trajectory but at the low price and a full season can he come close to DDV?
Our former gunslinger is not reliable BTW. DDV has his moments and can light it up but there are many times he does not and it hurts Minny. We traded him at peak perhaps.
I like Shamet foot speed and ability to create space for his shot. Defensively he is quick.
Lets understand the key is to get players on the cheap that can be restored to potential. Bonafide talent are expensive. Teams don't want to trade them cheap or let them walk.
Im not sold on Shamet 100% but at times we see the vision FO had for him and how he could fit. He lost a huge part to the season to his shoulder injury. Cam is a mess on defense. Deuce seems to have issues getting to the rim. Love the effort and the defense!!!

What do you think about the young guys that are on the bench?
I mean, when they got a chance, they seemed to have lots of potential.
Question will be, like every year, will Thibs use the season to give those guys real minutes to develop. We are seeing how not playing those guys leaves him with little option.
Coming around on Thibs needing to change his coaching style during the year.

Knicks need to do their best to add a 5th starter this summer using whatever resources available and keeping the bench of Hart, McBride, and Mitch. I understand the size concerns with mcbride next to Brunson, but we have also seen Mitch and hart not work as starters (with the other 4) and be more impactful off the bench. Knicks needs to find a 5th starter, either via trade or taxpayer MLE to fill that gap, make the starting 5 more complete, and then let mcbride, hart and Mitch come off the bench and blend in with the starters as all of them are great in the change of pace role. We may have to trade a combination of remaining picks (the Washington pick is still valuable since it will likely turn into 2 high second round picks), young players, and pick swaps. I don’t know who that player is, considering his salary can’t be high, but there’s a player out there ready to break out. I was advocating for Toumani Camara early in the year a month before the trade deadline. Too late for him with his breakout, but that is the idea. Front office needs to find that guy.

I like Jake LaRavia in FA. Good size/disruption on the wing with the size to slide over to the 4 occasionally. Also shoots the 3 at a nice clip the last season or so.

Another guy who's interesting is Dante Exum. He's shot the ball way better in his most recent stint in Dallas. He is good on defense and is another ballhandler

Knixkik wrote:Knicks need to do their best to add a 5th starter this summer using whatever resources available and keeping the bench of Hart, McBride, and Mitch. I understand the size concerns with mcbride next to Brunson, but we have also seen Mitch and hart not work as starters (with the other 4) and be more impactful off the bench. Knicks needs to find a 5th starter, either via trade or taxpayer MLE to fill that gap, make the starting 5 more complete, and then let mcbride, hart and Mitch come off the bench and blend in with the starters as all of them are great in the change of pace role. We may have to trade a combination of remaining picks (the Washington pick is still valuable since it will likely turn into 2 high second round picks), young players, and pick swaps. I don’t know who that player is, considering his salary can’t be high, but there’s a player out there ready to break out. I was advocating for Toumani Camara early in the year a month before the trade deadline. Too late for him with his breakout, but that is the idea. Front office needs to find that guy.

Or Deni Avdija, loved that guy too.

HofstraBBall wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:No Mitch, no ECF. No way we would have made it without him. I would keep Mitch on the bench next season.

What is Bridges trade value? IDK, but I don’t want to watch another season of Bridges taking the longest route to the rim to avoid contact, or fall back jumpers.

I’m also worried about KAT and Brunson’s D collectively. The team can get away with one liability on D, not two. I seriously doubt we trade KAT. So whoever is coach next season is going to have to figure out a way to make it work. I don’t believe starting Mitch is the answer. Just like Gobert wasn’t the answer next to KAT in Minny.

Maybe trade Bridges, move Hart to the bench and find a better fit in the starting lineup who can defend bigs.

Agree with most

At the end of the day, we are playing 7 vs 10.
Our starters have played 33% more minutes in playoffs something like over 3k to Pacers 2300.
Add the fact that the 10 the Pacers have can all hit a three consistently and we have Hart and MR that can’t shoot. We are not there roster wise.
Run it again and add some bench help and a replacement for Hart in SL. Which would help bench.
We have some young guys so maybe they take a Deuce type of step forward?

I agree…. Not everyone is built like Dennis Rodman, he would hit the bike for an hour after each game. There is a reason for decades players play the number of minutes they play otherwise we would just play 5 players for 48 minutes straight and o my sub out for foul troubles.

Let me ask you guys a question, if we trade coaches and PG’s in this series who wins the series?
I think we sweep. I’m not taking anything from Brunson and I still think Brunson is better than Haliburton. But Brunson does not get his teammates in the game. Thibs gives Brunson too much leeway.

With that being said I just think Thibs needs to go and Brunson needs to cut get his teammates in the game and less iso with everybody not named Kat or Brunson. I don’t think we need to make any major roster changes.

You are in the middle of the series and you start talking about offseason moves, really ??

DLeethal wrote:Trade KAT for Durant. Trade Deuce for Walker Kessler.

Brunson - Mikal - OG - Durant - Kessler
Kolek - Wright - Hart - Mitch

Dadiet - Hukporti

Durant actually fills a ton of holes on this team and we become one of the best defensive teams in the league.

We get a deep shooter we desperately need who can get shots off against any defense. A guy who can play good team defense. Will also rebound and secondary playmake and hit the momentum shots that no one else on this team makes besides Brunson.

If the idea is to move Kat, this is probably the swing the fences move to make in terms of value. The playbook is out on how to guard Kat. Most if not all teams will guard Kat with a wing and play their 5 on Josh if we don't m=move him to the bench next year.

Durant gives us a 1 or 1A comppliment to Brunson on the offensive end. While Durant no longer defends like he did when he was on the Warriors, he is still a much better defender than Kat or Hart. A much as I like Kat, he can be game planned for and his best attributes can be neutralized by a strong wing defender. Even at 36, Durant average 27 on 52% from the field and 43 from 3. The risk of this trade however is health. Durant only played 62 games last year.

Stevo718 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:No Mitch, no ECF. No way we would have made it without him. I would keep Mitch on the bench next season.

What is Bridges trade value? IDK, but I don’t want to watch another season of Bridges taking the longest route to the rim to avoid contact, or fall back jumpers.

I’m also worried about KAT and Brunson’s D collectively. The team can get away with one liability on D, not two. I seriously doubt we trade KAT. So whoever is coach next season is going to have to figure out a way to make it work. I don’t believe starting Mitch is the answer. Just like Gobert wasn’t the answer next to KAT in Minny.

Maybe trade Bridges, move Hart to the bench and find a better fit in the starting lineup who can defend bigs.

Agree with most

At the end of the day, we are playing 7 vs 10.
Our starters have played 33% more minutes in playoffs something like over 3k to Pacers 2300.
Add the fact that the 10 the Pacers have can all hit a three consistently and we have Hart and MR that can’t shoot. We are not there roster wise.
Run it again and add some bench help and a replacement for Hart in SL. Which would help bench.
We have some young guys so maybe they take a Deuce type of step forward?

I agree…. Not everyone is built like Dennis Rodman, he would hit the bike for an hour after each game. There is a reason for decades players play the number of minutes they play otherwise we would just play 5 players for 48 minutes straight and o my sub out for foul troubles.

Let me ask you guys a question, if we trade coaches and PG’s in this series who wins the series?
I think we sweep. I’m not taking anything from Brunson and I still think Brunson is better than Haliburton. But Brunson does not get his teammates in the game. Thibs gives Brunson too much leeway.

With that being said I just think Thibs needs to go and Brunson needs to cut get his teammates in the game and less iso with everybody not named Kat or Brunson. I don’t think we need to make any major roster changes.

I would take JB over Hali. But have mentioned often JB’s sixth man mentality and inability to get guys going.
Carlisle is a HOF coach. He has had more buttons to push though. Do think his style of play is more team oriented.
For me, we have the roster to implement more of a quick paced offense. Catch and get rid of the ball if you have nothing. We/Thibs likes the spread ISO PnR old school scheme. Which only works when your star is not only an elite scorer but also physically superior. Think the idea was that when teams try to double JB he would have Towns as a secondary play maker. Problem is, KAT’s footwork and inability to beat a smaller quicker defender, easily takes that away. As for JB, not only does his height hurt but his inability to give up the ball early in the possession.
They have to both improve. If not, Rose may realize one or both may need to be upgraded.
I think it’s more of the support cast. But their effectiveness when both on the floor this series is giving me some doubt.

Bad JuJu here

Off-season moves? Hire a sculptor to make sculptures for outside MSG in honor of our immense comeback culminating in game 7 win at garden.

Our victory will be sweeter their pain deeper.

This is what I guess, too. More of the same, but deeper. That's what she said.

jaydh wrote:would not be surprised if we run it back and just add better depth

If we decide to bring back the core of this team, an upgade at the wing position that can push Josh to the bench is needed. The whole wingstop theory and the idea that we surrounded Kat and Brunson with elite to good defenders is not true. He's a better defender than Kat and Jalen, but Josh is another weak link on the defensive end.

Bridges best stretch of games was probably when Brunson was out with an injury and Deuce and then Wright took over the point of attack defensive duties. Bridges seemed more comfortable and effective when he was defending off the ball, getting into the passing lanes, and disrupting the other teams offense. We need a wing or a big guard that can take guard the point of attack and that can make the opposing team pay for daring to put a 5 on him.

Uptown wrote:If we decide to bring back the core of this team, an upgade at the wing position that can push Josh to the bench is needed. The whole wingstop theory and the idea that we surrounded Kat and Brunson with elite to good defenders is not true. He's a better defender than Kat and Jalen, but Josh is another weak link on the defensive end.

Bridges best stretch of games was probably when Brunson was out with an injury and Deuce and then Wright took over the point of attack defensive duties. Bridges seemed more comfortable and effective when he was defending off the ball, getting into the passing lanes, and disrupting the other teams offense. We need a wing or a big guard that can take guard the point of attack and that can make the opposing team pay for daring to put a 5 on him.

I think the easy answer is to slide everyone down a spot (Brunson, Mikal, OG, KAT, X). If you can't start Mitch, then which center can we acquire that fixes the starting lineup?

I feel we have more talent, but they are a better TEAM and have the edge in coaching too. We lack game changing depth, but our talent if better led could have won this series. Regardless, OKC is a much better Indy and would have killed us, even easier. Our talent doesn't all gel or have the wrong coach to achieve it. Talent alone has gotten us pretty far if you ask me. But fatigue, poor planning, iffy reffing, anger, and low IQ plays, have caught up to this team. Still a successful season, no one expected us to be here except Knicks' fan. This was our ceiling and they achieved it and won't be swept. Make solid moves in the off season and I hope, a new coach. Still frustratingly proud. Win in Game 5, no gent sweep. Lets go Knicks.

nycericanguy wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:we dont need any desperation moves, we beat BOS which is what we were built to do, and BOS will only be weaker going forward. We are right there with IND, if only for that game 1.

I think just signing a guy like Hortford, along with more chemistry and growth from guys like Huk would go a long way.

We are definitely not there with IND and Game 1 wasn’t an aberration, but a confirmation of a huge issue this team has had all year long.

This team does need a defensive starting center, but not Horford. I wish we could’ve undone the Mikal trade, because those picks could’ve given us a real difference maker at C like Kessler.

Going into last nights game there was a 2 point difference, yes we are right there and this series should easily be 2-2.

Yes it sucks right now, but you cant be irrational and emotional. We didn't close out game 1, but IND also hit a ton of lucky shots to win that game. Nesmith literally went 6-6 from 3 in about 3 minutes, that NEVER Happens, Hali got an incredibly lucky bounce at the end also.

it happened and its a loss, but lets not act like IND is blowing us out of the water either.

last night we lost because of TO's, its not like IND just dominated on sheer talent. We made alot of unforced TO's and it cost us.

jaydh wrote:

Uptown wrote:If we decide to bring back the core of this team, an upgade at the wing position that can push Josh to the bench is needed. The whole wingstop theory and the idea that we surrounded Kat and Brunson with elite to good defenders is not true. He's a better defender than Kat and Jalen, but Josh is another weak link on the defensive end.

Bridges best stretch of games was probably when Brunson was out with an injury and Deuce and then Wright took over the point of attack defensive duties. Bridges seemed more comfortable and effective when he was defending off the ball, getting into the passing lanes, and disrupting the other teams offense. We need a wing or a big guard that can take guard the point of attack and that can make the opposing team pay for daring to put a 5 on him.

I think the easy answer is to slide everyone down a spot (Brunson, Mikal, OG, KAT, X). If you can't start Mitch, then which center can we acquire that fixes the starting lineup?

Not sure if pushing Kat to the 4 and adding another center to the mix is the answer. Kat the 5 and being guarded by 5 allows to maximize Kats full offensive potential expecially, if we replace Josh with a legit shooter and go full 5 out. Kat at the 4 or when he's guarded by a wing takes away some of his advantages. Plus, against teams like the Pacers that want to push tempo, Mitch and Kat in the game together looked slow last night chasing the Pacers on the secondary break. The Pacers dropped 43 in the 1q last night.

Againt certain teams it can work, but I just feel like Kat at the 4 reduces his effectiveness on offense. It could work defensively against certain teams, but other teams may offer an issue for Kat chasing around quicker forwards.