Philc1 wrote:jaydh wrote:would not be surprised if we run it back and just add better depth
Pretty much this. We have no cap flexibility to make splashy moves. I can’t think of any coaches that are available that would be an upgrade over Thibs.
Gotta get creative to add depth.
This is flat wrong and I don't know why it keeps getting repeated. Like why would you assume that? Do the numbers.
Knicks are not going to be over the second apron. Brock Aller got it under control. We are not in the same tier and limitations as teams like Boston or Cleveland.
Knicks are over first apron, so no MLE, they get the tax payer at $5M. They have some other limitations on what they can do but their hands are not super tied.
Knicks can trade any combo of players and fluff it up with vet min contracts. Done and done, just like last year.
DLeethal wrote:I’m thinking about aggressive, physical defensive guards who can hit a 3, guys who won’t allow Centers to hide on them like they do Hart. Marcus Smart types. We did a good job building to beat Boston but we gotta think about beating Indy and Cleveland and their small guards too.
What will it take to get Dillon Brooks? He's what we all want OG and Bridges to be.
Panos wrote:DLeethal wrote:I’m thinking about aggressive, physical defensive guards who can hit a 3, guys who won’t allow Centers to hide on them like they do Hart. Marcus Smart types. We did a good job building to beat Boston but we gotta think about beating Indy and Cleveland and their small guards too.
What will it take to get Dillon Brooks? He's what we all want OG and Bridges to be.
Moving KAT in a bigger trade.
martin wrote:Philc1 wrote:jaydh wrote:would not be surprised if we run it back and just add better depth
Pretty much this. We have no cap flexibility to make splashy moves. I can’t think of any coaches that are available that would be an upgrade over Thibs.
Gotta get creative to add depth.
This is flat wrong and I don't know why it keeps getting repeated. Like why would you assume that? Do the numbers.
Knicks are not going to be over the second apron. Brock Aller got it under control. We are not in the same tier and limitations as teams like Boston or Cleveland.
Knicks are over first apron, so no MLE, they get the tax payer at $5M. They have some other limitations on what they can do but their hands are not super tied.
Knicks can trade any combo of players and fluff it up with vet min contracts. Done and done, just like last year.
That’s correct. We have the taxpayer MLE of 5.7M to start. We can sign and trade our own free agents. We have Achiuwa to use via sign and trade if we need a contract bigger than the minimum but don’t want to touch any of our top 7 players. We have the Washington pick which will likely be 2 high 2nd round picks in 2026 and 2027. And with the new second round exceptions, those carry slightly more value than late firsts due to the cheaper contracts. We aren’t limited to aggregating salaries like second apron teams. We are in pretty good shape to keep building this summer.
One team I have my eye on is Memphis. They are likely a team that is going to look to retool the roster in a major way. Desmond Bane is a guy who would fit in really nicely here as a defensive minded player and lights out shooter.
Also, JJJ is due for a huge extension that they might not want to give. Would they want to try pairing Morant with a stretch big like Towns? JJJ's dad works for the Knicks and he's been rumored since he entered the league as a result of that.
Or would we want to try and swap Hart or Bridges in a trade for Bane?
Knixkik wrote:martin wrote:Philc1 wrote:jaydh wrote:would not be surprised if we run it back and just add better depth
Pretty much this. We have no cap flexibility to make splashy moves. I can’t think of any coaches that are available that would be an upgrade over Thibs.
Gotta get creative to add depth.
This is flat wrong and I don't know why it keeps getting repeated. Like why would you assume that? Do the numbers.
Knicks are not going to be over the second apron. Brock Aller got it under control. We are not in the same tier and limitations as teams like Boston or Cleveland.
Knicks are over first apron, so no MLE, they get the tax payer at $5M. They have some other limitations on what they can do but their hands are not super tied.
Knicks can trade any combo of players and fluff it up with vet min contracts. Done and done, just like last year.
That’s correct. We have the taxpayer MLE of 5.7M to start. We can sign and trade our own free agents. We have Achiuwa to use via sign and trade if we need a contract bigger than the minimum but don’t want to touch any of our top 7 players. We have the Washington pick which will likely be 2 high 2nd round picks in 2026 and 2027. And with the new second round exceptions, those carry slightly more value than late firsts due to the cheaper contracts. We aren’t limited to aggregating salaries like second apron teams. We are in pretty good shape to keep building this summer.
The PJ Tucker signing was also clearly made with future salary combining in mind.
Lastly, nobody has cap space this year. So the MLE market is going to be juicy. There are some pretty good players we could use in that range. How about Malcolm Brogdon as our starting 2 guard? The guy can shoot, help handle the ball, he plays defense, moves Hart to the bench.
Brunson - Brogdon - Mikal - OG - Towns
Deuce - Hart - Mitch
I feel like a guy like that fills a bunch of holes on this team and allows us to truly run that 5-out offense that Hart prevents us from running.
I think one of the reasons the Knicks decided to move Randle was so that they had maneuverability this offseason. Randle's contract situation would have handcuffed the Knicks severally.
Knicks can move KAT for any type of contract or contracts in the league, just got to match numbers is all and the Knicks have shown the league how to do that with the vet mins. From a top line 1-for-1 trade or any combo of players that add up.
They would not be able to do that with Randle+ whatever.
Knicks are pretty much set over the next 3-4 years on the cap situation with Jalen's contract, that was the real inflated cost of the Mikal trade IMHO, that was the tradeoff: Jalen contract for his good buddy Mikal, so that's why those first don't matter to the Knicks give or take. Even if they extend Mikal at ~$40M and do something with Mitch's contract range. Knicks should be under the second apron without problem, and that is key.
FA targets that fit in one way or another for us next year:
Brogdon / Bruce Brown / Nickel Alexander Walker / Finney Smith / THJ
Steven Adams / Al Horford / Kevon Looney / Luke Kornet
I think we have to try and package Mitch this offseason so I'm looking at the cheap PF/C market. The other guys I think fill a void either as starter or bench scorer. I would think most of these guys might be MLE range considering no one has cap space this offseason.
DLeethal wrote:Lastly, nobody has cap space this year. So the MLE market is going to be juicy. There are some pretty good players we could use in that range. How about Malcolm Brogdon as our starting 2 guard? The guy can shoot, help handle the ball, he plays defense, moves Hart to the bench.Brunson - Brogdon - Mikal - OG - Towns
Deuce - Hart - Mitch
I feel like a guy like that fills a bunch of holes on this team and allows us to truly run that 5-out offense that Hart prevents us from running.
That is an interesting idea. 2 down years because of fluke injuries after being 6MOY. Maybe he would like to rehab his rep and be comforted by the training staff and vet level team.
He's have to do the vet min?
Getting someone like Brogden or Tyus Jones would be key for next year.
I trust Leon and Co. to get us here. I trust they can continue.
It might not work, but just because we can't imagine something does not mean it can't happen.
Im not sure we unlock the full 12mm MLE unless we can dump salary. By that I mean we have to renounce the salary of Achiuwa, Payne and Shamet and potentially dump additional salary. Otherwise its the 5mm MLE. Too early to get into caponomics...
To clarify the above - we have to be below the first apron to use the non-taxpayer 13mm MLE. Would take a ton of maneuvering for that to happen
GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:Is Amir Coffey a realistic target with the taxpayer MLE of $5.7M?6'7"
Will be 28 next season
.384 career from three
.409 last season on 3.4 attempts
Might save OG and Mikal from playing 39+ minutes a game.
Aren't we a team a player will sign for less for ?
martin wrote:ToddTT wrote:In the off-season I believe I should up my alcohol consumption.I think this would be valuable training to prepare my liver for next season.
Just let us know when you need to step beyond just alcohol. We have solutions, and training plans.
Do we get a free gold spoon when registering ?
I'd like the team to add a better on ball defender to the back court mix. I'm thinking an Alex Caruso type. I'd think a player like that should be available for the MLE, just don't haver a name that comes to mind.
JesseDark wrote:I'd like the team to add a better on ball defender to the back court mix. I'm thinking an Alex Caruso type. I'd think a player like that should be available for the MLE, just don't haver a name that comes to mind.
I'd call Caruso an elite role player. His decision making on the fly, defense.
I think we have a better chance of developing that type of player from recent draft picks. They're on their rookie contracts, and cap room is important.
If there is a deal, I hope its for a gamechanger. A player who helps give the team more equilibrium*. Who along with our recent draft picks can better challenge the Pacers, because it doesnt look like they're going anywhere.
*Not the Christian Bale movie.
JesseDark wrote:I'd like the team to add a better on ball defender to the back court mix. I'm thinking an Alex Caruso type. I'd think a player like that should be available for the MLE, just don't haver a name that comes to mind.
Davion Mitchell, Bruce Brown are FAs
Marcus Smart could be had via trade I’m sure. Idk how washed he is but his role here would be small. Just need to play D and not be scared to shoot.
DLeethal wrote:JesseDark wrote:I'd like the team to add a better on ball defender to the back court mix. I'm thinking an Alex Caruso type. I'd think a player like that should be available for the MLE, just don't haver a name that comes to mind.
Davion Mitchell, Bruce Brown are FAs
Marcus Smart could be had via trade I’m sure. Idk how washed he is but his role here would be small. Just need to play D and not be scared to shoot.
Smart makes too much money to match. Mitchell is small. He’s the same as Deuce. Brown is fine but he also doesn’t want to shoot so he might be too much like Hart. We probably don’t find a Caruso level player. He’s 1 of 1 in the league. We can try to trade Mitch and any leftover assets for Herb Jones. He makes less money. Otherwise for free agents it’s Brown like you said, LeVert, who could be a good pickup, nickeil Alexander-Walker who is probably worth more but is worth a try. Or maybe LaRavia to go bigger with more focus on shooting. For what it’s worth, Brown, LeVert and Alexander-Walker are all CAA, which is always to our advantage.
Alpha1971 wrote:GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:Is Amir Coffey a realistic target with the taxpayer MLE of $5.7M?6'7"
Will be 28 next season
.384 career from three
.409 last season on 3.4 attempts
Might save OG and Mikal from playing 39+ minutes a game.
Aren't we a team a player will sign for less for ?
Yes. And he would be a nice option.
