fishmike wrote:Rookie wrote:Knixkik wrote:Honest questions; is Rick brunson really a concern ? What has he done to become a concern? What power has he exhibited ? Seems like he helps his son and teammates in player development and advisement. He’s not a distraction. He was a valuable assistant to Thibs over the years dating back to Chicago. So he didn’t cause thibs to be fired given his loyalty. He’s close with Leon because Leon was his agent. But it’s not like he’s been directly credited with any Knicks decisions outside of his son coming here, which is the best thing that has ever happened to this franchise. I just don’t see what the issue is.
So you think if a new coach wants his own staff and fires Rick Brunson along with others that's the end of it - or - does it complicate the process if mgmt dictates that Rick is retained as lead assistant. To me, that is part of any conversation if I am going to agree to interview
why would he? Why would he fire Rick? Considering the relationship to your team captain... how is this an issue? He's not a head coach candidate or even a top assistant. He's a development guy. Seems like a new HC would really have to hate Rick and I would think Leon would do better than find a candidate who's first move was to dump Rick.
Yeah this is where I’m at with this. He is technically the lead assistant now but I’m sure he will be happy just being on the staff and doing what he’s doing. There’s never been any indication he has an issue with any players or going above anyone. He seems pretty drama free and just happy to help his kid and teammates. I don’t envision any sort of issue. A coach wants his own staff, great. Rick can just be added to that staff.
SergioNYK wrote:Is it just me or isn't it a little embarrassing as a grown man to have your father as your coach or as your co-worker?
Trump worked with his father and his son the cokehead works with him and he turned out to be a, oh wait
Hunter Biden isn't Trump's kid.
Philc1 wrote:SergioNYK wrote:Is it just me or isn't it a little embarrassing as a grown man to have your father as your coach or as your co-worker?
Trump worked with his father and his son the cokehead works with him and he turned out to be a, oh wait
NYStateOfMind wrote:Hunter Biden isn't Trump's kid.Philc1 wrote:SergioNYK wrote:Is it just me or isn't it a little embarrassing as a grown man to have your father as your coach or as your co-worker?
Trump worked with his father and his son the cokehead works with him and he turned out to be a, oh wait
Ooh politics. Any other dumbasses want to join in?
ToddTT wrote:NYStateOfMind wrote:Hunter Biden isn't Trump's kid.Philc1 wrote:SergioNYK wrote:Is it just me or isn't it a little embarrassing as a grown man to have your father as your coach or as your co-worker?
Trump worked with his father and his son the cokehead works with him and he turned out to be a, oh wait
Ooh politics. Any other dumbasses want to join in?
You rang?
Looks like Andrew Cuomo is going to be the next Mayor of NYC. Wish he was a lot more like his father. Mario Cuomo elevated the conversation. Not a good time for NY to be rudderless.
I really don't understand why this needs to be a conversation.
Before Jalen got to NY, Rick was an NBA assistant for 8 seasons and an NBA player for 9 seasons. He worked for Thibs at different stops and played for Thibs. The relationship goes deep. He got hired here before we signed JB. Did hiring him help us get JB? Probably! That's a good thing, JB is one of the best players in Knicks history, the best FA signing in Knicks history and literally a godsend for Knicks fans. I'd have hired his mom and sister to if that's what it took to get him here. That said, Thibs was probably gonna hire Rick anyway given Rick was on his staff before. Now Thibs isn't here. Jalen doesn't require Rick. He has never said he has required Rick. This isn't Lebron requiring his son to be on the team. If Rick is still here with the new staff, it doesn't mean that Jalen required Rick. Is it a nice to have? I'm sure it is! People basically creating a narrative that Jalen is pulling strings for Rick's interest is just fan-fiction. People love Twilight I suppose.
Rick might help give his son the confidence he needs. I dont see anything wrong with keeping him on the staff. Herb Williams was Dolan's eyes and ears. Rick is there for his son.
I dont believe he should be lead assistant, a new coach should be able to bring in their own pick. JB needs to become better at keeping the ball moving. Not so sure that happens with Rick as the next coach's lead assistant.
NYStateOfMind wrote:Hunter Biden isn't Trump's kid.Philc1 wrote:SergioNYK wrote:Is it just me or isn't it a little embarrassing as a grown man to have your father as your coach or as your co-worker?
Trump worked with his father and his son the cokehead works with him and he turned out to be a, oh wait
No I’m talking about the dumbass Don Jr who will be running in 2028 and I wouldn’t trust him managing a lemonade stand
GustavBahler wrote:ToddTT wrote:NYStateOfMind wrote:Hunter Biden isn't Trump's kid.Philc1 wrote:SergioNYK wrote:Is it just me or isn't it a little embarrassing as a grown man to have your father as your coach or as your co-worker?
Trump worked with his father and his son the cokehead works with him and he turned out to be a, oh wait
Ooh politics. Any other dumbasses want to join in?
You rang?
Looks like Andrew Cuomo is going to be the next Mayor of NYC. Wish he was a lot more like his father. Mario Cuomo elevated the conversation. Not a good time for NY to be rudderless.
If Momdani gets elected will Trump call in special forces to take out Manhattan?
Philc1 wrote:NYStateOfMind wrote:Hunter Biden isn't Trump's kid.Philc1 wrote:SergioNYK wrote:Is it just me or isn't it a little embarrassing as a grown man to have your father as your coach or as your co-worker?
Trump worked with his father and his son the cokehead works with him and he turned out to be a, oh wait
No I’m talking about the dumbass Don Jr who will be running in 2028 and I wouldn’t trust him managing a lemonade stand
LOL, his kids don't even drink.
Rookie wrote:Philc1 wrote:NYStateOfMind wrote:Hunter Biden isn't Trump's kid.Philc1 wrote:SergioNYK wrote:Is it just me or isn't it a little embarrassing as a grown man to have your father as your coach or as your co-worker?
Trump worked with his father and his son the cokehead works with him and he turned out to be a, oh wait
No I’m talking about the dumbass Don Jr who will be running in 2028 and I wouldn’t trust him managing a lemonade stand
LOL, his kids don't even drink.
They will want to after they find out he has a 38% approval rating.
fishmike wrote:martin wrote:Rookie wrote:fishmike wrote:Rookie wrote:Knixkik wrote:Honest questions; is Rick brunson really a concern ? What has he done to become a concern? What power has he exhibited ? Seems like he helps his son and teammates in player development and advisement. He’s not a distraction. He was a valuable assistant to Thibs over the years dating back to Chicago. So he didn’t cause thibs to be fired given his loyalty. He’s close with Leon because Leon was his agent. But it’s not like he’s been directly credited with any Knicks decisions outside of his son coming here, which is the best thing that has ever happened to this franchise. I just don’t see what the issue is.
So you think if a new coach wants his own staff and fires Rick Brunson along with others that's the end of it - or - does it complicate the process if mgmt dictates that Rick is retained as lead assistant. To me, that is part of any conversation if I am going to agree to interview
why would he? Why would he fire Rick? Considering the relationship to your team captain... how is this an issue? He's not a head coach candidate or even a top assistant. He's a development guy. Seems like a new HC would really have to hate Rick and I would think Leon would do better than find a candidate who's first move was to dump Rick.
Herb Williams says hold my beer. Seriously though, If I'm going to agree to put my reputation and future on the line, I'm going to want my own staff. I would want Brunson's role and status clarified. I want MY message to be the only message given to my players, I wouldn't want Rick in my primary ball handler and floor generals ear during game stoppages. I want Jalen in team huddles and not having his own side meeting with his dad during the game. As a developmental back row on the bench guy I have no issues. His role would have to be defined AND I would also want to know I can fire Rick if it is not working the way that I want it to work
*edit add* we don't know if Rick Brunson would be willing to go from lead Asst coach to developmental coach. Why would he take a demotion? You would think that he will be lead asst or not on the team at all.....so back to the original question - would a new coach accept Rick Brunson as his leas asst or would he want his bring in his own lead asst. Having two lead assistants would also not be a good situation when one of those assistants has ties to management and is the dad of your best player. It's just not a great situation for a new coach and coaching staff
Why would he want to stay on the bench and take less responsibility to be next to his son all year round?
We don't always have to take the worst look and run with it.
Rick knows he isn't going to be the head coach, why would he act up and ruin being on the bench with his son while taking a hefty paycheck with free room and board and travel on away games for the full season?
Cause that's what's on the line for him?
this is the human logic and I just don't know how you look past this. All these grownups can work together. Herb Williams is another example... "Knicks? Dream job. Gotta take Herb or Rick? Phuck no..." -said nobody ever
Anyone that has ever played sports at any level on any team can tell you, NO ONE likes the “Coaches son!” 
Think it’s fair to say that a new coach will want to bring in his own staff. Only happens every time.
Knicks making any new coach keep a former assistant would be a bad start and will question that new coaches confidence in the FO’s commitment.
Btw, Rick and Jalen were key in getting Thibs fired. 
If we hire Jenkins or Brown or even Kidd, is keeping Rick mandatory? I know all of them would probably agree to it to keep Jalen happy but it seems a little weird. I've always been for allowing the coach to choose his own staff.
Why are you guys all obsessed with keeping/not keeping Rick? We aren't the New York Ricks. You know Jalen played bball most of his life without Rick coaching him. ON the other hand Rick coached with Thibs at every head coaching stop he had. Why do you think its Jalen that needs Rick and not Thibs? Thibs brought Rick here, not Jalen.
