Knicks · Hire Thibs (page 1)

Bring back the man that lead us to 4 playoffs in 5 years including ECF this year.
We presumed there was a prior agreement with a candidate. Instead, There was no plan.

Stop followed the media assumptions. Clearly all of these requests are about who is available. How do you know who the best candidate is without knowing everyone who is gettable ? Process and due diligence. Leon Rose clearly isn’t doing a rush job with this being the only coach opening. Have patience.

Would Thibs play his starters any less?
Would Thibs come back better at making adjustments?
Would Thibs develop the bench, recent draft picks?

The answer to all three is likely "no".

Watching the Finals right now, and both teams are moving the ball like crazy. Thibs had Brunson dribbing for most of the shot clock. 2-3 players have touched the ball on most teams before Brunson gives up the ball in 24 seconds.

We need a coach who will help Brunson take his game to the next level, and that means a lot less ball-stopping.

GustavBahler wrote:Would Thibs play his starters any less?
Would Thibs come back better at making adjustments?
Would Thibs develop the bench, recent draft picks?

The answer to all three is likely "no".

Watching the Finals right now, and both teams are moving the ball like crazy. Thibs had Brunson dribbing for most of the shot clock. 2-3 players have touched the ball on most teams before Brunson gives up the ball in 24 seconds.

We need a coach who will help Brunson take his game TEAM to the next level, and that means a lot less ball-stopping.

There’s more juice to squeeze into it of this offense. Too bad the coach and roster was a bad mix but it’s easier to make change when you remove the coach. It’s an instant culture changing move.

I believe if the offense is consistent and doesn’t have long scoring droughts, we heading back to ECF even if Daffy Duck was coaching this roster (health permitting)

Who presumed they had a candidate when all of the solid reporting said they were going to embark on a long process of finding their coach? They interviewed 20 coaches before they hired Thibs.

After taking a break for a couple years, the national media is back to in their "laugh at the Knicks for Clicks" campaigns. Don't buy into it. When you decide to move on from a coach it does not necessarily mean that you should not perform a dilligent search for the replacement.

GustavBahler wrote:Would Thibs play his starters any less?
Would Thibs come back better at making adjustments?
Would Thibs develop the bench, recent draft picks?

The answer to all three is likely "no".

Watching the Finals right now, and both teams are moving the ball like crazy. Thibs had Brunson dribbing for most of the shot clock. 2-3 players have touched the ball on most teams before Brunson gives up the ball in 24 seconds.

We need a coach who will help Brunson take his game to the next level, and that means a lot less ball-stopping.

Watching the finals I have the same frustrations as watching my Knicks. OKC does basically the same thing Knicks do on offense. Which is give the ball to their best player then give him a pick or two to create. Specially in the last part of the game. Didn’t see what you said in terms of ball movement. I do agree with you and said it many times, our offense was too JB ball dominant. We had too many games where we went to the JB show late in the game. Problem was that it worked for most of the year. Do think it was by design but also because JB did not use the pass options available. Question is will this change with another coach? Many successful teams do the same. Some forget SGA had the second highest usage rate(by .3 at 34.6%). They were considered the best team in NBA. In fact, most top tier teams had their best player over 28%. Including JB at 29%. So Thibs not the only ISO player dominant coach. Coaches need to win to keep their jobs. Do so by using their best players the most.

Don’t think Thibs was bad at adjustments. Or that it is as important as guys just playing well. We basically lost the series to Indiana because Knicks had the worst collapse in playoff history in game 1, supporting players inconsistency , unforced turnovers and poor FT shooting. Did we beat the the defending champs because of his adjustments? Every coach gets credit for “adjustments “ after wins and lack of after loses.

Would agree that Thibs main issue is the inability to develop the bench. Think he may change though, as many coaches will, after watching how the depth of Indiana has made such a difference. Last night win was a good example. Indiana’s bench scored a ridiculous 45 points. Was our roster as good though?
Would agree that with Thibs, it would be hard to find out as he rarely looks to develop them. Evident by how he keeps in starters with 15 plus leads.

After stating my displeasure for Thibs being blamed for loss, I am now just interested in getting a good coach. One that promotes a more balanced offense, develops a deeper roster and most of all can maybe attract better role players or a superstar. I guess I have been convinced that Johnny is the next Pat Riley.

HofstraBBall wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Would Thibs play his starters any less?
Would Thibs come back better at making adjustments?
Would Thibs develop the bench, recent draft picks?

The answer to all three is likely "no".

Watching the Finals right now, and both teams are moving the ball like crazy. Thibs had Brunson dribbing for most of the shot clock. 2-3 players have touched the ball on most teams before Brunson gives up the ball in 24 seconds.

We need a coach who will help Brunson take his game to the next level, and that means a lot less ball-stopping.

Watching the finals I have the same frustrations as watching my Knicks. OKC does basically the same thing Knicks do on offense. Which is give the ball to their best player then give him a pick or two to create. Specially in the last part of the game. Didn’t see what you said in terms of ball movement. I do agree with you and said it many times, our offense was too JB ball dominant. We had too many games where we went to the JB show late in the game. Problem was that it worked for most of the year. Do think it was by design but also because JB did not use the pass options available. Question is will this change with another coach? Many successful teams do the same. Some forget SGA had the second highest usage rate(by .3 at 34.6%). They were considered the best team in NBA. In fact, most top tier teams had their best player over 28%. Including JB at 29%. So Thibs not the only ISO player dominant coach. Coaches need to win to keep their jobs. Do so by using their best players the most.

Don’t think Thibs was bad at adjustments. Or that it is as important as guys just playing well. We basically lost the series to Indiana because Knicks had the worst collapse in playoff history in game 1, supporting players inconsistency , unforced turnovers and poor FT shooting. Did we beat the the defending champs because of his adjustments? Every coach gets credit for “adjustments “ after wins and lack of after loses.

Would agree that Thibs main issue is the inability to develop the bench. Think he may change though, as many coaches will, after watching how the depth of Indiana has made such a difference. Last night win was a good example. Indiana’s bench scored a ridiculous 45 points. Was our roster as good though?
Would agree that with Thibs, it would be hard to find out as he rarely looks to develop them. Evident by how he keeps in starters with 15 plus leads.

After stating my displeasure for Thibs being blamed for loss, I am now just interested in getting a good coach. One that promotes a more balanced offense, develops a deeper roster and most of all can maybe attract better role players or a superstar. I guess I have been convinced that Johnny is the next Pat Riley.

Dont know what to tell you if you cant see the difference between the Knicks ball movement and the two teams in the Finals. The ball isnt sticking.

As for adjustments, Thibs has never been great at in game adjustments. If you have to wait until you are down 0-2 in the ECF, after two straight home losses, to suddenly decide to change things up. Thats not really an adjustment, its a desperation move. We need a coach who wont let it get to that point.

GustavBahler wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Would Thibs play his starters any less?
Would Thibs come back better at making adjustments?
Would Thibs develop the bench, recent draft picks?

The answer to all three is likely "no".

Watching the Finals right now, and both teams are moving the ball like crazy. Thibs had Brunson dribbing for most of the shot clock. 2-3 players have touched the ball on most teams before Brunson gives up the ball in 24 seconds.

We need a coach who will help Brunson take his game to the next level, and that means a lot less ball-stopping.

Watching the finals I have the same frustrations as watching my Knicks. OKC does basically the same thing Knicks do on offense. Which is give the ball to their best player then give him a pick or two to create. Specially in the last part of the game. Didn’t see what you said in terms of ball movement. I do agree with you and said it many times, our offense was too JB ball dominant. We had too many games where we went to the JB show late in the game. Problem was that it worked for most of the year. Do think it was by design but also because JB did not use the pass options available. Question is will this change with another coach? Many successful teams do the same. Some forget SGA had the second highest usage rate(by .3 at 34.6%). They were considered the best team in NBA. In fact, most top tier teams had their best player over 28%. Including JB at 29%. So Thibs not the only ISO player dominant coach. Coaches need to win to keep their jobs. Do so by using their best players the most.

Don’t think Thibs was bad at adjustments. Or that it is as important as guys just playing well. We basically lost the series to Indiana because Knicks had the worst collapse in playoff history in game 1, supporting players inconsistency , unforced turnovers and poor FT shooting. Did we beat the the defending champs because of his adjustments? Every coach gets credit for “adjustments “ after wins and lack of after loses.

Would agree that Thibs main issue is the inability to develop the bench. Think he may change though, as many coaches will, after watching how the depth of Indiana has made such a difference. Last night win was a good example. Indiana’s bench scored a ridiculous 45 points. Was our roster as good though?
Would agree that with Thibs, it would be hard to find out as he rarely looks to develop them. Evident by how he keeps in starters with 15 plus leads.

After stating my displeasure for Thibs being blamed for loss, I am now just interested in getting a good coach. One that promotes a more balanced offense, develops a deeper roster and most of all can maybe attract better role players or a superstar. I guess I have been convinced that Johnny is the next Pat Riley.

Dont know what to tell you if you cant see the difference between the Knicks ball movement and the two teams in the Finals. The ball isnt sticking.

As for adjustments, Thibs has never been great at in game adjustments. If you have to wait until you are down 0-2 in the ECF, after two straight home losses, to suddenly decide to change things up. Thats not really an adjustment, its a desperation move. We need a coach who wont let it get to that point.

Thibs Knicks were consistent - consistently slept through 3rd Q's.....consistently left 3 pt shooters wide open....consistently look off the p-n-r and go 1 on 5

DLeethal wrote:Who presumed they had a candidate when all of the solid reporting said they were going to embark on a long process of finding their coach? They interviewed 20 coaches before they hired Thibs.

Silly you the Knicks are the only team required by the media to do one interview

foosballnick wrote:After taking a break for a couple years, the national media is back to in their "laugh at the Knicks for Clicks" campaigns. Don't buy into it. When you decide to move on from a coach it does not necessarily mean that you should not perform a dilligent search for the replacement.

All it took was Thibs getting fired for all the Knick haters in the media to come out of witness protection. The nuggets fired Malone after winning a championship nobody says anything.

Philc1 wrote:

foosballnick wrote:After taking a break for a couple years, the national media is back to in their "laugh at the Knicks for Clicks" campaigns. Don't buy into it. When you decide to move on from a coach it does not necessarily mean that you should not perform a dilligent search for the replacement.

All it took was Thibs getting fired for all the Knick haters in the media to come out of witness protection. The nuggets fired Malone after winning a championship nobody says anything.

A lot of people had a lot to say about it. That the Nuggs went into the second round made that narrative go away. Malones firing was called out by many as short sighted and not justified.

Even many knick fans are thinking team looks stupid and impatient and its been like 8 days. We came to a quick conclusion it was Bryant given suns timeline.

Like many of our posters. I don't always love their posts but that not who were are. I don't hate barkley, in fact over his many years really found him to be quite funny.
That whole show has lost its edge and is tired. I do love those guys and used to always tune in. They are over exposed and diluted content makes it old.

Bottom line is what the roster looks when the season starts and who is coaching. We can guess all we want, argue, take a posture, be sarcastic, bing-bong stupid, and other wise share opinions and dress them up like we an insider. End of the day it all gets sorted on our the court.

Knicks and Lakers get thrown in lots of convo's by pundits to whom need clicks to make their bank. Lets try not perpetuate the stupidity and delineate what is opinion/fable vs. an actual report. There are lots of good writers out there that are very clear to say when they are saying something is not "reporting".

My point is this. A lot of us believed when this bomb dropped that they did it with a target in mind. They didn't.
Ok.
So now they have to go out and find a coach BETTER than Thibs. Are they going to be able to do that? Because lots of times they haven't. And why the fuck are their coaching targets ALREADY EMPLOYED? Is that really the best strategy?

Panos wrote:My point is this. A lot of us believed when this bomb dropped that they did it with a target in mind. They didn't.
Ok.
So now they have to go out and find a coach BETTER than Thibs. Are they going to be able to do that? Because lots of times they haven't. And why the fuck are their coaching targets ALREADY EMPLOYED? Is that really the best strategy?

Bottom line is that none of us know squat about the coaching targets or search except for Leon and the FO. We only know what the media is feeding us and make assumptions based on that.

I wonder if Thibs will get another coaching job. He's getting older but he still has the energy and passion for it. I'd hire him today if I was a team like Washington or Charlotte.

foosballnick wrote:

Panos wrote:My point is this. A lot of us believed when this bomb dropped that they did it with a target in mind. They didn't.
Ok.
So now they have to go out and find a coach BETTER than Thibs. Are they going to be able to do that? Because lots of times they haven't. And why the fuck are their coaching targets ALREADY EMPLOYED? Is that really the best strategy?

Bottom line is that none of us know squat about the coaching targets or search except for Leon and the FO. We only know what the media is feeding us and make assumptions based on that.

Yep. Looks like they doing the full Monty of due diligence. NBA head coaches that are both currently employed or not employed by other teams. College coaches, both currently and ex. NBA assistant coaches. Everyone they feel is appropriate.

I don’t understand why we would NOT want the Knicks search to be going this way? Seems like a good thing?

Unless the Knicks had a particular person specifically in mind that was just sitting around, this is what you should expect. Except it’s NY so everything is in the media.

Personally, I could not care less what the media says.

I assumed this firing was a long time coming, and that the new guy was already determined weeks or months ago.

I expected a few days after the firing that they would announce the new guy.

Leon has done lots of good things. He has also laid some eggs. I have no blind faith in him.