LivingLegend wrote:Per ESPN on Fleming weaknesses.Feel for game is major ? - does not process game well on either end of floor. Struggles to make basic passes and is highly mistake prone off the ball on D.
So if that synopsis is accurate I don’t want.
We need smart players who can act quickly and make great decisions with the ball.
One of our great weaknesses is simple handling/passing of the ball.
These are the reasons he’s not a first round pick. You will find major red flags with any player outside of the top guys. Fleming is a good risk because he has the tools to be a real 2-way contributor if he can develop.
martin wrote:Knixkik wrote:martin wrote:VDesai wrote:Man I think I would aggressively go after Fleming here. He is a younger version of the Boston version if Al Horford. A rare 3 and D 4/5 man. No midrange or creation game, but terrific spot up 3 pt shooting and steals, blocks to go with solid rebounding. A perfect replacement for Precious that can space the floor. Trade up with 2 or 3 seconds and grab him!
The Knicks must trade up into the early second round for Rasheer Fleming, one of my favorite players in this class, he looks like a modern 3-and-D forward with legit size, length, and shooting. He’s 6’8.25”, 232 lbs with a massive 7’5.25” wingspan and 9’1” standing reach. What stands out is his versatility—he defends 2–5, rebounds at a high level, and hit over 39% from three on real volume. He’s fluid, explosive enough in space, and brings constant energy, but he’s not a creator and the handle is loose. He’s more of a play finisher than a playmaker.He averaged 15.5 PPG, 8.6 RPG, and 2.9 stocks per game at Saint Joseph’s and shot 53% from the field and 74% from the line. His combine helped—top-5 wingspan, solid mobility, and a good shooting workout. He’s not super quick laterally and sometimes gets beat by faster wings, but the instincts and motor are real.
He’s a clone to Jaden McDaniels as a prospect with a more reliable jumper but less shake and fluidity off the bounce but damn near identical measurables. I thought he’d go somewhere at the end of the lottery and at latest end of the first, but he fell out of the first entirely somehow. He is a very high-floor rotational forward with upside if the offense rounds out and jumper remains consistent.
Fleming would be amazing. Knicks have a good history trading with Charlotte so one of their picks makes sense. Like last year with Kolek, there’s really opportunity to get a good player at the top of the second round and pay him the second round exception, which is a cheap and valuable way to fill out the roster.
In fact…
Its a good thought- but with 31 and 32 being teams that value 5 out and switchable defenders, I don't think he gets past them. Boston is a perfect fit given they traded KP and might wind up losing Horford and Kornet.
Though I will say Ryan Kalkbrenner has some Kornet vibes
martin wrote:
I like the Kobe Sanders / Kyle Anderson comp.
Knixkik wrote:VDesai wrote:LivingLegend wrote:Per ESPN on Fleming weaknesses.Feel for game is major ? - does not process game well on either end of floor. Struggles to make basic passes and is highly mistake prone off the ball on D.
So if that synopsis is accurate I don’t want.
We need smart players who can act quickly and make great decisions with the ball.
One of our great weaknesses is simple handling/passing of the ball.
21 years old. Can teach positioning, but can't teach 7'5 wingpsan and 40% 3 pt shooting from a 6'9" 240 guy. Naturally gets a lot of steals and blocks even without the elite instincts. If he didn't have some flaws he'd be in the lottery.
Exactly.
Good points - he does look fun but very done with guys who are low IQ and fundamentally a mess.
Those are some nice measurables and stats on the 3 point shooting.
Have to admit Jaden McDaniels is one guy I drool over the way he moves and covers the court with wingspan.
Now hoping we can steal him via a move up.
We need an athletic 3&D wing and we can also use a pure shooter. None better than Kobe Brea....He is an Alan Houston level shooter. I saw him a half dozen times at UK and he improved his handle doing a good job of attacking pick n roll defender. Brea is not going to create his own shot off dribble, but he has improved on his straight line drives and can run some pick n rolls.
With that said, you would have to be strategic with lineup manipulation because he is not a good defender but he will open up the offense, and he is a willing, high efficient shooter
Knixkik wrote:VDesai wrote:LivingLegend wrote:Per ESPN on Fleming weaknesses.Feel for game is major ? - does not process game well on either end of floor. Struggles to make basic passes and is highly mistake prone off the ball on D.
So if that synopsis is accurate I don’t want.
We need smart players who can act quickly and make great decisions with the ball.
One of our great weaknesses is simple handling/passing of the ball.
21 years old. Can teach positioning, but can't teach 7'5 wingpsan and 40% 3 pt shooting from a 6'9" 240 guy. Naturally gets a lot of steals and blocks even without the elite instincts. If he didn't have some flaws he'd be in the lottery.
Exactly.
Fleming is my number 1 target in the 2nd round but I doubt we will be able to move up high enough to get him....
I guess second round green room is now a thing
Uptown wrote:We need an athletic 3&D wing and we can also use a pure shooter. None better than Kobe Brea....He is an Alan Houston level shooter. I saw him a half dozen times at UK and he improved his handle under coach Cal. Kentucky runs a dribble drive offense and coach Cal dies a good job of teaching his players how to attack the rim and navigate the pick n roll. Brea is not going to create his own shot off dribble, but he has improved on his straight line drives and can run some pick n rolls.With that said, you would have to be strategic with lineup manipulation because he is not a good defender but he will open up the offense, and he is a willing, high efficient shooter
Yeah Brea is a Duncan Robinson type at minimum in my eyes.
martin wrote:I guess second round green room is now a thing
I'm feeling Thiero. Real boom/bust, but I like his ability to defend up and down the lineup. Would be killer paired with OG and Bridges. Of course, he shoots like crap.
martin wrote:
imagine the following definsive lineup:
Mitch
OG
Thiero
Bridges
Deuce
Uptown wrote:martin wrote:
imagine the following definsive lineup:
Mitch
OG
Thiero
Bridges
Deuce
Yeah, he reminds me of Isaac Okoro, maybe even more explosive. His energy and defensive versatility could be useful even if his shot doesn't come around. But his three point shot is the difference between him being an OG level player or deep bench filler.
