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ToddTT wrote:They love them some Clarkson in Utah.

https://www.reddit.com/r/UtahJazz/commen...

Think we are going to love him -- but there will always be people crying about a bad pass or shot.

I think he's going to be GOOD and ENTERTAINING and will do both with SWAG.

LivingLegend wrote:Just read interesting blip over on REALGM and it came from Chat DBT.

Question was what Knick executive pushed hardest for Clarkson and answer said Walt Perrin was a very strong advocate.

Said Perrin as Jazz VP Player Personnel had closely scouted Clarkson dating back to the 2014 draft and played a key role in convincing NY's executive team to pursue Clarkson after his buyout.

It's possible (maybe) that Perrin was also a reason that Clarkson decided on NY vs other options.

If there is anyone on the Knicks exec team I trust it's 1) Perrin and 2) Aller

Holy cow totally forgot about that connection.

I've been an opponent of adding Clarkson. To me he is the antithesis of a good player. He is like the non-3pt shooting version of Evan Fournier. Fournier played no defense but had a high eFG. A chucker with low efficiency and terrible Plus/Minus. In the same way that Scott Perry loved Fournier, Perrin may have same affectations toward Clarkson.

He owns a career eFG of .504 - well below league average.

He can fill up the points total, but by every metric he is the highest scorer on a losing team. Its hard to argue at the Vet Minimum, but we are adding another 6'3 high usage player who's point per possession is less than our team average. The only hope is that giving him a lineup with floor spacing gives him more space to be more efficient. In a second unit with Josh Hart and Huk, I don't really see that happening.

Perrin is the kind of scout that lays up on a par 5. Never gonna go for the birdie. You are gonna get your par. Not gonna end up in a trap. But there is not gonna be a superstar in his selections. With the Vet Min, he is laying up again with Clarkson. There will be no leftover shots to be taken with Clarkson on the floor. No indecision. But you may not outscore the opponent with him on the floor.

I'm optimistic that the advanced stats evolve with his departure from Utah and when surrounded by 3&Ds and high skill veterans instead of rookies. Maybe some of his skill set merges with McBride's. Best case scenario for me is that Deuce realizes he needs to be more instant offense like Clarkson.

EwingsGlass wrote:I've been an opponent of adding Clarkson. To me he is the antithesis of a good player. He is like the non-3pt shooting version of Evan Fournier. Fournier played no defense but had a high eFG. A chucker with low efficiency and terrible Plus/Minus. In the same way that Scott Perry loved Fournier, Perrin may have same affectations toward Clarkson.

He owns a career eFG of .504 - well below league average.

He can fill up the points total, but by every metric he is the highest scorer on a losing team. Its hard to argue at the Vet Minimum, but we are adding another 6'3 high usage player who's point per possession is less than our team average. The only hope is that giving him a lineup with floor spacing gives him more space to be more efficient. In a second unit with Josh Hart and Huk, I don't really see that happening.

Perrin is the kind of scout that lays up on a par 5. Never gonna go for the birdie. You are gonna get your par. Not gonna end up in a trap. But there is not gonna be a superstar in his selections. With the Vet Min, he is laying up again with Clarkson. There will be no leftover shots to be taken with Clarkson on the floor. No indecision. But you may not outscore the opponent with him on the floor.

I'm optimistic that the advanced stats evolve with his departure from Utah and when surrounded by 3&Ds and high skill veterans instead of rookies. Maybe some of his skill set merges with McBride's. Best case scenario for me is that Deuce realizes he needs to be more instant offense like Clarkson.

Clarkson was 6th man of the year on a 60+ win team.

DLeethal wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:I've been an opponent of adding Clarkson. To me he is the antithesis of a good player. He is like the non-3pt shooting version of Evan Fournier. Fournier played no defense but had a high eFG. A chucker with low efficiency and terrible Plus/Minus. In the same way that Scott Perry loved Fournier, Perrin may have same affectations toward Clarkson.

He owns a career eFG of .504 - well below league average.

He can fill up the points total, but by every metric he is the highest scorer on a losing team. Its hard to argue at the Vet Minimum, but we are adding another 6'3 high usage player who's point per possession is less than our team average. The only hope is that giving him a lineup with floor spacing gives him more space to be more efficient. In a second unit with Josh Hart and Huk, I don't really see that happening.

Perrin is the kind of scout that lays up on a par 5. Never gonna go for the birdie. You are gonna get your par. Not gonna end up in a trap. But there is not gonna be a superstar in his selections. With the Vet Min, he is laying up again with Clarkson. There will be no leftover shots to be taken with Clarkson on the floor. No indecision. But you may not outscore the opponent with him on the floor.

I'm optimistic that the advanced stats evolve with his departure from Utah and when surrounded by 3&Ds and high skill veterans instead of rookies. Maybe some of his skill set merges with McBride's. Best case scenario for me is that Deuce realizes he needs to be more instant offense like Clarkson.

Clarkson was 6th man of the year on a 60+ win team.

it was a 50ish win team. It was the Donovan/Rudy Jazz and Clarkson took the 2nd most FGA on the team behind Donovan. 16 FGA in 27mpg with a .522 EFG% and the guy isnt know for defense or passing.

You want this guy chucking shots off the bench? His FG% are all in the Cam Payne zone.

literally the poster boy for "chucker"

All the smart twitter guys are pointing out that Clarkson's passing metrics and playmaking metrics are really good.

Just a few things people have pointed out-

-He has one of the highest rates of driving the ball in the NBA
-His assist rate off drives are very high
-He is great at drawing non-shooting fouls- one of the highest rates in the league - meaning he can put defenders off balance off the dribble
-He is excellent at setting up corner 3's efficiently

What I remember are his flaws
-Takes way too many crazy pull up 3s
-Very agressive at taking over the offense when he's on the floor
-Runs hot and cold on his shooting

Part of his role will be chaos. Cam's quick trigger sometimes changed the complexion of a game without much pace or was going south. If he was cold, it also could change it the other way. Sometimes you need that sort of chaos to change the game.

Now that he is moving more to a team that has additional scorers and is winning games, will he control his green light from the outside and focus more on breaking down the defense to create good opportunities?

He's on a veteran min. If he plays out of control he will lose minutes. He came here for less money to win ballgames.

VDesai wrote:All the smart twitter guys are pointing out that Clarkson's passing metrics and playmaking metrics are really good.

Just a few things people have pointed out-

-He has one of the highest rates of driving the ball in the NBA
-His assist rate off drives are very high
-He is great at drawing non-shooting fouls- one of the highest rates in the league - meaning he can put defenders off balance off the dribble
-He is excellent at setting up corner 3's efficiently

What I remember are his flaws
-Takes way too many crazy pull up 3s
-Very agressive at taking over the offense when he's on the floor
-Runs hot and cold on his shooting

Part of his role will be chaos. Cam's quick trigger sometimes changed the complexion of a game without much pace or was going south. If he was cold, it also could change it the other way. Sometimes you need that sort of chaos to change the game.

Now that he is moving more to a team that has additional scorers and is winning games, will he control his green light from the outside and focus more on breaking down the defense to create good opportunities?

He's on a veteran min. If he plays out of control he will lose minutes. He came here for less money to win ballgames.

but he's not a vet min players. He's a 6moy scorer we got "lucky" to get cheap.

Fingers crossed. He's got some scoring chops.

Josh was pretty hyped we got Clarkson. Looks like Josh was a rookie when Clarkson was on the Lakers.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/2018.html

On a side note what a wild roster!!!!

Lonzo Ball
KCP
Brandon Ingram
Julius Randle
Jordan Clarkson
Josh Hart
Alex Caruso
Kyle Kuzma
Brook Lopez

Then you had Isaiah Thomas stopping by, Lou Deng, Channing Frye... its like a weird fantasy team or something

EwingsGlass wrote:I've been an opponent of adding Clarkson. To me he is the antithesis of a good player. He is like the non-3pt shooting version of Evan Fournier. Fournier played no defense but had a high eFG. A chucker with low efficiency and terrible Plus/Minus. In the same way that Scott Perry loved Fournier, Perrin may have same affectations toward Clarkson.

He owns a career eFG of .504 - well below league average.

He can fill up the points total, but by every metric he is the highest scorer on a losing team. Its hard to argue at the Vet Minimum, but we are adding another 6'3 high usage player who's point per possession is less than our team average. The only hope is that giving him a lineup with floor spacing gives him more space to be more efficient. In a second unit with Josh Hart and Huk, I don't really see that happening.

Perrin is the kind of scout that lays up on a par 5. Never gonna go for the birdie. You are gonna get your par. Not gonna end up in a trap. But there is not gonna be a superstar in his selections. With the Vet Min, he is laying up again with Clarkson. There will be no leftover shots to be taken with Clarkson on the floor. No indecision. But you may not outscore the opponent with him on the floor.

I'm optimistic that the advanced stats evolve with his departure from Utah and when surrounded by 3&Ds and high skill veterans instead of rookies. Maybe some of his skill set merges with McBride's. Best case scenario for me is that Deuce realizes he needs to be more instant offense like Clarkson.

Deuce can't touch Clarkson in terms of talent and next time Deuce gets into the paint off the dribble in the 1/2 court we can buy a cake and sing him happy birthday.

At a minimum I expect Clarkson will improve Deuce's braid game.

fishmike wrote:

VDesai wrote:All the smart twitter guys are pointing out that Clarkson's passing metrics and playmaking metrics are really good.

Just a few things people have pointed out-

-He has one of the highest rates of driving the ball in the NBA
-His assist rate off drives are very high
-He is great at drawing non-shooting fouls- one of the highest rates in the league - meaning he can put defenders off balance off the dribble
-He is excellent at setting up corner 3's efficiently

What I remember are his flaws
-Takes way too many crazy pull up 3s
-Very agressive at taking over the offense when he's on the floor
-Runs hot and cold on his shooting

Part of his role will be chaos. Cam's quick trigger sometimes changed the complexion of a game without much pace or was going south. If he was cold, it also could change it the other way. Sometimes you need that sort of chaos to change the game.

Now that he is moving more to a team that has additional scorers and is winning games, will he control his green light from the outside and focus more on breaking down the defense to create good opportunities?

He's on a veteran min. If he plays out of control he will lose minutes. He came here for less money to win ballgames.

but he's not a vet min players. He's a 6moy scorer we got "lucky" to get cheap.

Fingers crossed. He's got some scoring chops.

I'm confused now - do you like or dislike Clarkson addition?

Me I'm 100% for it - think he is almost exactly what this team needed.

We virtually have nobody that can get in paint outside Jalen.

fishmike wrote:Josh was pretty hyped we got Clarkson. Looks like Josh was a rookie when Clarkson was on the Lakers.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/2018.html

On a side note what a wild roster!!!!

Lonzo Ball
KCP
Brandon Ingram
Julius Randle
Jordan Clarkson
Josh Hart
Alex Caruso
Kyle Kuzma
Brook Lopez

Then you had Isaiah Thomas stopping by, Lou Deng, Channing Frye... its like a weird fantasy team or something

When did DLo join that squad?

LivingLegend wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:I've been an opponent of adding Clarkson. To me he is the antithesis of a good player. He is like the non-3pt shooting version of Evan Fournier. Fournier played no defense but had a high eFG. A chucker with low efficiency and terrible Plus/Minus. In the same way that Scott Perry loved Fournier, Perrin may have same affectations toward Clarkson.

He owns a career eFG of .504 - well below league average.

He can fill up the points total, but by every metric he is the highest scorer on a losing team. Its hard to argue at the Vet Minimum, but we are adding another 6'3 high usage player who's point per possession is less than our team average. The only hope is that giving him a lineup with floor spacing gives him more space to be more efficient. In a second unit with Josh Hart and Huk, I don't really see that happening.

Perrin is the kind of scout that lays up on a par 5. Never gonna go for the birdie. You are gonna get your par. Not gonna end up in a trap. But there is not gonna be a superstar in his selections. With the Vet Min, he is laying up again with Clarkson. There will be no leftover shots to be taken with Clarkson on the floor. No indecision. But you may not outscore the opponent with him on the floor.

I'm optimistic that the advanced stats evolve with his departure from Utah and when surrounded by 3&Ds and high skill veterans instead of rookies. Maybe some of his skill set merges with McBride's. Best case scenario for me is that Deuce realizes he needs to be more instant offense like Clarkson.

Deuce can't touch Clarkson in terms of talent and next time Deuce gets into the paint off the dribble in the 1/2 court we can buy a cake and sing him happy birthday.

At a minimum I expect Clarkson will improve Deuce's braid game.

I’m not deathly opposed to the signing. I just see advanced stat allstars like Jay Huff and Cam Whitmore getting traded for peanuts and we are settling for Clarkson. I’m a big proponent of guys that play both offense AND defense. I’m preparing to take the under on 53 games this season. Not to rant, but Mike Brown without Jordy Fernandez isn’t that impressive, imo.