Clean wrote:Joel has to be the worst player to watch in the league. Looks at this trash. The ref actually gave him a foul call for this.
Watching him flail his way to another first round exit is one of the most satisfying things in basketball tho 
Clean wrote:
No matter what Kat does I am good with never having Randle again.
I am sure he will have a perfectly fine excuse for his newly found " depression". Maybe it's the cold weather? Or may it's not enough weed this time around?
ramtour420 wrote:Clean wrote:
No matter what Kat does I am good with never having Randle again.
I am sure he will have a perfectly fine excuse for his newly found " depression". Maybe it's the cold weather? Or may it's not enough weed this time around?
Hey I get it. There are times that Randle can be frustrating to watch.
I can't stand watching 75% of KAT's game. At twice the price.
ToddTT wrote:ramtour420 wrote:Clean wrote:
No matter what Kat does I am good with never having Randle again.
I am sure he will have a perfectly fine excuse for his newly found " depression". Maybe it's the cold weather? Or may it's not enough weed this time around?
Hey I get it. There are times that Randle can be frustrating to watch.
I can't stand watching 75% of KAT's game. At twice the price.
I wish I had an argument here, but I got nothing. I actually feel the same way.The only thing I can say is that Towns is a better player in like every category, but not THAT much better to justify the salary difference
With Jalen, Knicks need all the off ball playmakers
martin wrote: I have a new convoluted idea to address tanking/the lottery: a lottery without a fixed number of teams.Very straightforward. Flat odds. Miss the playoffs, you’re in. But you can’t be in consecutive lotteries, and if you’ve been in two out of three, you’re out for the next two.
The draft order after the lottery is solely based on record. If six teams are in, you draw for six picks. If 10 teams are in, you draw for 10. There will still be naturally bad, young and rebuilding teams. But there will be less incentive to be explicitly terrible or string together several bad years.
I have an anti-gap year addendum I’d consider as well. If you’ve made the NBA Finals within five seasons, you’re banned from the first lottery you’d otherwise be eligible for. Second time, you’re good to go. I’m open-minded about this. I just don’t want good teams taking gap years to take advantage of flat odds.
Anyway, most of the lottery concepts I conceive at 4 in the morning are riddled with unintended consequences. So please let me know what I’m wrong about here.
Something has to change because teams are sitting most of their team to tank now. I said this somehwere else and I forget where so if I am saying this twice here, my fault. Adamn Silver has been the best thing for the NBA when talking about making money. He has been the worst when talking about viewing and playing the game of basketball. The product is in the worst state I can remember. I am too young to remember the drugged fueled days.
Clean wrote:martin wrote: I have a new convoluted idea to address tanking/the lottery: a lottery without a fixed number of teams.Very straightforward. Flat odds. Miss the playoffs, you’re in. But you can’t be in consecutive lotteries, and if you’ve been in two out of three, you’re out for the next two.
The draft order after the lottery is solely based on record. If six teams are in, you draw for six picks. If 10 teams are in, you draw for 10. There will still be naturally bad, young and rebuilding teams. But there will be less incentive to be explicitly terrible or string together several bad years.
I have an anti-gap year addendum I’d consider as well. If you’ve made the NBA Finals within five seasons, you’re banned from the first lottery you’d otherwise be eligible for. Second time, you’re good to go. I’m open-minded about this. I just don’t want good teams taking gap years to take advantage of flat odds.
Anyway, most of the lottery concepts I conceive at 4 in the morning are riddled with unintended consequences. So please let me know what I’m wrong about here.
Something has to change because teams are sitting most of their team to tank now. I said this somehwere else and I forget where so if I am saying this twice here, my fault. Adamn Silver has been the best thing for the NBA when talking about making money. He has been the worst when talking about viewing and playing the game of basketball. The product is in the worst state I can remember. I am too young to remember the drugged fueled days.
I agree with you, but at the same time, Adam does need to tackle the betting, TV rights, and international expansion. And making money and then figuring things out for fans (and purists) later - while not blatantly losing them, and that is surely up debate if that is happening - will always be secondary, unfortunately.
It sucks right now. The flipping between 4+ apps just to watch your team is awful. Same with not being able to watch local broadcasts. But maybe those other revenue streams will fix that. Who knows.
martin wrote: I have a new convoluted idea to address tanking/the lottery: a lottery without a fixed number of teams.Very straightforward. Flat odds. Miss the playoffs, you’re in. But you can’t be in consecutive lotteries, and if you’ve been in two out of three, you’re out for the next two.
The draft order after the lottery is solely based on record. If six teams are in, you draw for six picks. If 10 teams are in, you draw for 10. There will still be naturally bad, young and rebuilding teams. But there will be less incentive to be explicitly terrible or string together several bad years.
I have an anti-gap year addendum I’d consider as well. If you’ve made the NBA Finals within five seasons, you’re banned from the first lottery you’d otherwise be eligible for. Second time, you’re good to go. I’m open-minded about this. I just don’t want good teams taking gap years to take advantage of flat odds.
Anyway, most of the lottery concepts I conceive at 4 in the morning are riddled with unintended consequences. So please let me know what I’m wrong about here.
Makes sense.
Remember Leagues are run by owners who make committees to visit these subjects and the board puts to a vote.
Its childish to think major leagues in sports are autocratic in nature. They get booed and catch the ire of the fans.
Think about it, all major sports fans boo their commish.
martin wrote:Clean wrote:martin wrote: I have a new convoluted idea to address tanking/the lottery: a lottery without a fixed number of teams.Very straightforward. Flat odds. Miss the playoffs, you’re in. But you can’t be in consecutive lotteries, and if you’ve been in two out of three, you’re out for the next two.
The draft order after the lottery is solely based on record. If six teams are in, you draw for six picks. If 10 teams are in, you draw for 10. There will still be naturally bad, young and rebuilding teams. But there will be less incentive to be explicitly terrible or string together several bad years.
I have an anti-gap year addendum I’d consider as well. If you’ve made the NBA Finals within five seasons, you’re banned from the first lottery you’d otherwise be eligible for. Second time, you’re good to go. I’m open-minded about this. I just don’t want good teams taking gap years to take advantage of flat odds.
Anyway, most of the lottery concepts I conceive at 4 in the morning are riddled with unintended consequences. So please let me know what I’m wrong about here.
Something has to change because teams are sitting most of their team to tank now. I said this somehwere else and I forget where so if I am saying this twice here, my fault. Adamn Silver has been the best thing for the NBA when talking about making money. He has been the worst when talking about viewing and playing the game of basketball. The product is in the worst state I can remember. I am too young to remember the drugged fueled days.
I agree with you, but at the same time, Adam does need to tackle the betting, TV rights, and international expansion. And making money and then figuring things out for fans (and purists) later - while not blatantly losing them, and that is surely up debate if that is happening - will always be secondary, unfortunately.
It sucks right now. The flipping between 4+ apps just to watch your team is awful. Same with not being able to watch local broadcasts. But maybe those other revenue streams will fix that. Who knows.
I haven't had any problems whatsoever watching live games. There are a gazillion sites that stream for free. Just need to use a normal browser, not Google Chrome
Not surprised the Pistons got into a fight look at how the refs allowed the Pistons to play the knicks. If the Knicks were not soft it would have happened a game earlier. They were pretty much wrestling Mitch to keep him off the glass.
Clean wrote:Not surprised the Pistons got into a fight look at how the refs allowed the Pistons to play the knicks. If the Knicks were not soft it would have happened a game earlier. They were pretty much wrestling Mitch to keep him off the glass.
We'll keep seeing incidents with Detroit like this. I couldn't believe how dirty they are when we played them. We didn't fight back unfortunately.
Their whole strategy is to hack everyone until the refs clamp down to see how much they can get away with. Their defense is built on bullying other teams into submission.
That may have worked in the 90s, but it will start to backfire on them soon if they keep it up like they are. That clip was as close as the NBA will allow the current league to echo The Malice in the Palace.
I respected Detroit as an opponent, but after the last game I've lost all appreciation for them. Being tough is different than being dirty.
Agree but regardless we need to show more fight and not let any team bully us even if this isn't the 90's anymore...
jskinny35 wrote:Agree but regardless we need to show more fight and not let any team bully us even if this isn't the 90's anymore...
Agreed. I was actually hoping for a brawl like this to happen during that awful 2-9 stretch to spark something in the team at that point.
I don' tknow how this dude does it but he don't look fat and out of shape.
Today, a healthy Harden is better than Garland. Maybe he breaks down, maybe he don't.
He is no defensive stopper, but a bigger guard and fit with DMitchell.
Im not predicting. Im just worried they a better version of the 62 win season they had last year.
My hope is they and philly are the 4-5 seeds and let them beat each other up. That would be a fun series.
Detroit has been pushing limits since at least last year. So too Orlando and Oklahoma (to a lesser degree)
If silver had a spine he would send a message w substantial suspensions especially for Stewart (leaving bench and to fight) and disqualify Duran from all star game (which I’m sure has $$ implications too)
Refs lose control of these games. And don’t know when to blo the whistle so the team that fouls more (eg Detroit) benefits more
once named to an allstar game you an allstar. If you hurt, you an allstar.
If warranted he gets suspended from reg season games and thus the financial implications of that.
You come off the bench, you should be suspended.
I agree league needs to set the line with aggresive teams.
BlueKnickers wrote:Clean wrote:Not surprised the Pistons got into a fight look at how the refs allowed the Pistons to play the knicks. If the Knicks were not soft it would have happened a game earlier. They were pretty much wrestling Mitch to keep him off the glass.
We'll keep seeing incidents with Detroit like this. I couldn't believe how dirty they are when we played them. We didn't fight back unfortunately.
Their whole strategy is to hack everyone until the refs clamp down to see how much they can get away with. Their defense is built on bullying other teams into submission.
That may have worked in the 90s, but it will start to backfire on them soon if they keep it up like they are. That clip was as close as the NBA will allow the current league to echo The Malice in the Palace.
I respected Detroit as an opponent, but after the last game I've lost all appreciation for them. Being tough is different than being dirty.
Until the refs start calling fouls then this is going to happen. It will escalate.
