Knicks · GameThread: Bulls part deux, 7pm on MSG (page 3)
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Yes - they are missing White/Dosunmo last night - those 2 will add to the ball flying around for Bulls. I think Heat are doing something similar and don't have Herro who should be dynamic in this type of free flowing fast pace system.
Knicks - despite what I saw last night - the pace seems a stretch for some our personnel and more importantly for some of our skill players abilities.
martin wrote:Panos wrote:Can someone explain how they shoot 47% from 3, but 45% overall? What happened to easy layups, dunks, etc?They were hot from 3, so no need!
See this with a ton of players now (Deuce for ex.) where the 3PFG% is higher vs the FG% - guys can't finish in traffic or missing more contested mid-range or just don't practice that stuff enough.
I cringe when Deuce attacks the rim because if he ain't dunking or shooting an open layup that shot isn't going in.
nycericanguy wrote:5 games in and Brown already shortens the rotation to 9 like Thibs.Gotta say not liking what I'm seeing from Yabu or Clarkson and especially KAT. Count how many times KAT drives into defenders and goes flailing out of bounds, completely taking himself out of the play and allowing the other team to score. Not seeing it with him and he looks slower than ever guarding outside the paint. Vuc looked like the better overall player these past 2 games, higher IQ, more in control, and making about 1/3rd what KAT does.
we have a good chance to do some damage this year. But we really could have built something with the youth we had. Randle, Grimes, RJ and Divo all balling out elsewhere. Had we kept those 4 guys, and kept the 5 picks from the Mikal trade, we could have even traded for Giannis.
Yabu - yes he's been lost thus far.
Clarkson - I like, he's not been great but last night was a good example of what he can bring (still like his ability to get into paint)
Kat - last night looked like normal Kat. Put up 20 on 11 shots - 8-8 from FT line and 15 boards and 5 assists. Kat also defends perimeter well but anytime the Knicks decide to put him in drop we are roasted/toasted. Bulls announcers were noting that Kat was moving much better last night.
ramtour420 wrote:martin wrote:Haven't watched this game yet, or have a good understanding of what the offense should be, but this feels right in what Brown wants to do.Javascript is not enabled or there was problem with the URL: https://www.twitter.com/stevejones20/status/1985166163249180824
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Thought our best stretch was with that group and Brunson on bench - not that Jalen was bad but he's kind of 1 man show.
Brunson put up 22 shots in 32 mins - Kat got 11 in 36 minutes. Bridges got 7 shots up.
Nit picky on my part but still would prefer Jalen stop loading up scoring in 1st quarter and save most of damage for 4th while getting everyone else going early on. Yes - nit picky.
martin wrote:nycericanguy wrote:5 games in and Brown already shortens the rotation to 9 like Thibs.Gotta say not liking what I'm seeing from Yabu or Clarkson and especially KAT. Count how many times KAT drives into defenders and goes flailing out of bounds, completely taking himself out of the play and allowing the other team to score. Not seeing it with him and he looks slower than ever guarding outside the paint. Vuc looked like the better overall player these past 2 games, higher IQ, more in control, and making about 1/3rd what KAT does.
we have a good chance to do some damage this year. But we really could have built something with the youth we had. Randle, Grimes, RJ and Divo all balling out elsewhere. Had we kept those 4 guys, and kept the 5 picks from the Mikal trade, we could have even traded for Giannis.
Won't disagree with anything you've said but for me, it was iHart who was central to a lot of the good play in the previous version of the Knicks. Without him, it's still a lesser version.
i agree, but alot easier to find another defensive big along with Mitch, vs paying KAT $60m and giving up two for 1.
LivingLegend wrote:Brunson needs to be a better floor general and distributor. I get they are playing him off ball more and getting him into situations where he gets the ball and goes to score but 22 shots and 3 assists its bad for the PG. I get Bridges had a bunch, system etc... I think a lot of the scoring is when we lose Brunson looks to drop 40 the next game and will us to win.ramtour420 wrote:martin wrote:Haven't watched this game yet, or have a good understanding of what the offense should be, but this feels right in what Brown wants to do.Javascript is not enabled or there was problem with the URL: https://www.twitter.com/stevejones20/status/1985166163249180824
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Thought our best stretch was with that group and Brunson on bench - not that Jalen was bad but he's kind of 1 man show.
Brunson put up 22 shots in 32 mins - Kat got 11 in 36 minutes. Bridges got 7 shots up.Nit picky on my part but still would prefer Jalen stop loading up scoring in 1st quarter and save most of damage for 4th while getting everyone else going early on. Yes - nit picky.
Also it's possible Brown wants Jalen to shoot it 25x a game
I dont know what to look for or what's good or bad to be honest. I mean we were 2 games from the finals last year and we get at least a game 7 except for Aaron Phucking Nesmith becoming Steph Curry and hitting 8 threes in the 4th qtr of game 1. We never recovered from THAT
nycericanguy wrote:martin wrote:nycericanguy wrote:5 games in and Brown already shortens the rotation to 9 like Thibs.Gotta say not liking what I'm seeing from Yabu or Clarkson and especially KAT. Count how many times KAT drives into defenders and goes flailing out of bounds, completely taking himself out of the play and allowing the other team to score. Not seeing it with him and he looks slower than ever guarding outside the paint. Vuc looked like the better overall player these past 2 games, higher IQ, more in control, and making about 1/3rd what KAT does.
we have a good chance to do some damage this year. But we really could have built something with the youth we had. Randle, Grimes, RJ and Divo all balling out elsewhere. Had we kept those 4 guys, and kept the 5 picks from the Mikal trade, we could have even traded for Giannis.
Won't disagree with anything you've said but for me, it was iHart who was central to a lot of the good play in the previous version of the Knicks. Without him, it's still a lesser version.
i agree, but alot easier to find another defensive big along with Mitch, vs paying KAT $60m and giving up two for 1.
I would guess that this is the year the Knicks FO wants KAT to show them what he is worth. And especially as a central hub during the regular season and an essential piece that team can count on as much as Brunson, just in his own way. No excuses. Cause Leon gonna need to know that KAT is either worth that $50-60M+ per year in extension years or if he needs to move KAT for Giannis over the next year or 2.
KAT gotta step up for the Knicks.
fishmike wrote:LivingLegend wrote:Brunson needs to be a better floor general and distributor. I get they are playing him off ball more and getting him into situations where he gets the ball and goes to score but 22 shots and 3 assists its bad for the PG. I get Bridges had a bunch, system etc... I think a lot of the scoring is when we lose Brunson looks to drop 40 the next game and will us to win.ramtour420 wrote:martin wrote:Haven't watched this game yet, or have a good understanding of what the offense should be, but this feels right in what Brown wants to do.Javascript is not enabled or there was problem with the URL: https://www.twitter.com/stevejones20/status/1985166163249180824
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Thought our best stretch was with that group and Brunson on bench - not that Jalen was bad but he's kind of 1 man show.
Brunson put up 22 shots in 32 mins - Kat got 11 in 36 minutes. Bridges got 7 shots up.Nit picky on my part but still would prefer Jalen stop loading up scoring in 1st quarter and save most of damage for 4th while getting everyone else going early on. Yes - nit picky.
Also it's possible Brown wants Jalen to shoot it 25x a game
I dont know what to look for or what's good or bad to be honest. I mean we were 2 games from the finals last year and we get at least a game 7 except for Aaron Phucking Nesmith becoming Steph Curry and hitting 8 threes in the 4th qtr of game 1. We never recovered from THAT
With only a view of highlights of last night's game, I kinda like the thought of Mikal distributing more if that means taking over that responsibility from Brunson and having Jalen more C&S and doing his thing as an outlet instead of floor general. AOK for me if Brunson is more effective that way if Mikal is also good at upping his distribution reps without the TO's or stickiness/tunnel vision.
Don't know if that was more purposeful within the offense or just opportunistic last night.
martin wrote:nycericanguy wrote:martin wrote:nycericanguy wrote:5 games in and Brown already shortens the rotation to 9 like Thibs.Gotta say not liking what I'm seeing from Yabu or Clarkson and especially KAT. Count how many times KAT drives into defenders and goes flailing out of bounds, completely taking himself out of the play and allowing the other team to score. Not seeing it with him and he looks slower than ever guarding outside the paint. Vuc looked like the better overall player these past 2 games, higher IQ, more in control, and making about 1/3rd what KAT does.
we have a good chance to do some damage this year. But we really could have built something with the youth we had. Randle, Grimes, RJ and Divo all balling out elsewhere. Had we kept those 4 guys, and kept the 5 picks from the Mikal trade, we could have even traded for Giannis.
Won't disagree with anything you've said but for me, it was iHart who was central to a lot of the good play in the previous version of the Knicks. Without him, it's still a lesser version.
i agree, but alot easier to find another defensive big along with Mitch, vs paying KAT $60m and giving up two for 1.
I would guess that this is the year the Knicks FO wants KAT to show them what he is worth. And especially as a central hub during the regular season and an essential piece that team can count on as much as Brunson, just in his own way. No excuses. Cause Leon gonna need to know that KAT is either worth that $50-60M+ per year in extension years or if he needs to move KAT for Giannis over the next year or 2.
KAT gotta step up for the Knicks.
I agree, and it doesn't have to even be for Giannis, trading KAT for 2 solid players could be an option as well. Heck i'd trade him for Randle and Divo right now.
nycericanguy wrote:martin wrote:nycericanguy wrote:martin wrote:nycericanguy wrote:5 games in and Brown already shortens the rotation to 9 like Thibs.Gotta say not liking what I'm seeing from Yabu or Clarkson and especially KAT. Count how many times KAT drives into defenders and goes flailing out of bounds, completely taking himself out of the play and allowing the other team to score. Not seeing it with him and he looks slower than ever guarding outside the paint. Vuc looked like the better overall player these past 2 games, higher IQ, more in control, and making about 1/3rd what KAT does.
we have a good chance to do some damage this year. But we really could have built something with the youth we had. Randle, Grimes, RJ and Divo all balling out elsewhere. Had we kept those 4 guys, and kept the 5 picks from the Mikal trade, we could have even traded for Giannis.
Won't disagree with anything you've said but for me, it was iHart who was central to a lot of the good play in the previous version of the Knicks. Without him, it's still a lesser version.
i agree, but alot easier to find another defensive big along with Mitch, vs paying KAT $60m and giving up two for 1.
I would guess that this is the year the Knicks FO wants KAT to show them what he is worth. And especially as a central hub during the regular season and an essential piece that team can count on as much as Brunson, just in his own way. No excuses. Cause Leon gonna need to know that KAT is either worth that $50-60M+ per year in extension years or if he needs to move KAT for Giannis over the next year or 2.
KAT gotta step up for the Knicks.
I agree, and it doesn't have to even be for Giannis, trading KAT for 2 solid players could be an option as well. Heck i'd trade him for Randle and Divo right now.
Would be totally wild if the Knicks did that lol
Bulls definitely playing like small scale Indiana. Giddey has some Hali like qualities- more physical and better going to the basket and a still developing shot, but he's gonna be friggin dangerous.
Now they look very promising with Giddy, Ayo, Jones, White, Buzelis all 25 or younger and even Huerter is only 27.
martin wrote:nycericanguy wrote:martin wrote:nycericanguy wrote:5 games in and Brown already shortens the rotation to 9 like Thibs.Gotta say not liking what I'm seeing from Yabu or Clarkson and especially KAT. Count how many times KAT drives into defenders and goes flailing out of bounds, completely taking himself out of the play and allowing the other team to score. Not seeing it with him and he looks slower than ever guarding outside the paint. Vuc looked like the better overall player these past 2 games, higher IQ, more in control, and making about 1/3rd what KAT does.
we have a good chance to do some damage this year. But we really could have built something with the youth we had. Randle, Grimes, RJ and Divo all balling out elsewhere. Had we kept those 4 guys, and kept the 5 picks from the Mikal trade, we could have even traded for Giannis.
Won't disagree with anything you've said but for me, it was iHart who was central to a lot of the good play in the previous version of the Knicks. Without him, it's still a lesser version.
i agree, but alot easier to find another defensive big along with Mitch, vs paying KAT $60m and giving up two for 1.
I would guess that this is the year the Knicks FO wants KAT to show them what he is worth. And especially as a central hub during the regular season and an essential piece that team can count on as much as Brunson, just in his own way. No excuses. Cause Leon gonna need to know that KAT is either worth that $50-60M+ per year in extension years or if he needs to move KAT for Giannis over the next year or 2.
KAT gotta step up for the Knicks.
Deep down if I was forced to put $ on it -- I don't think this management staff is going to allow Kat the full season. If they are fully/truly going for it this year I don't believe they have the faith in him to do the right things deep into the playoffs.
Could be wrong - maybe they give it this year and make changes next summer if things don't work but if they are truly viewing this year as going for it all (think they trade him and not just for Giannis - could be another type trade).
Don't think in their hearts they believe we can win with Kat/Jalen both defending late into playoffs.
I'm mostly a Kat guy but he makes too many bonehead plays and shot selection when driving is super sketch.
nycericanguy wrote:always liked Giddy, couldn't believe Bulls fans were unhappy getting him for Caruso, that was a steal. And he got an awful rap for hanging out with another teenager while he himself was a teen which was ridiculous.
Giddey is a very good pg. yeah I couldn’t believe fair weather bulls fans hating on him how does he look now?
Philc1 wrote:nycericanguy wrote:always liked Giddy, couldn't believe Bulls fans were unhappy getting him for Caruso, that was a steal. And he got an awful rap for hanging out with another teenager while he himself was a teen which was ridiculous.Giddey is a very good pg. yeah I couldn’t believe fair weather bulls fans hating on him how does he look now?
Look in the mirror and recall some of your prognostications you like to pronounce.
How does Josh look now?
martin wrote:nycericanguy wrote:martin wrote:nycericanguy wrote:5 games in and Brown already shortens the rotation to 9 like Thibs.Gotta say not liking what I'm seeing from Yabu or Clarkson and especially KAT. Count how many times KAT drives into defenders and goes flailing out of bounds, completely taking himself out of the play and allowing the other team to score. Not seeing it with him and he looks slower than ever guarding outside the paint. Vuc looked like the better overall player these past 2 games, higher IQ, more in control, and making about 1/3rd what KAT does.
we have a good chance to do some damage this year. But we really could have built something with the youth we had. Randle, Grimes, RJ and Divo all balling out elsewhere. Had we kept those 4 guys, and kept the 5 picks from the Mikal trade, we could have even traded for Giannis.
Won't disagree with anything you've said but for me, it was iHart who was central to a lot of the good play in the previous version of the Knicks. Without him, it's still a lesser version.
i agree, but alot easier to find another defensive big along with Mitch, vs paying KAT $60m and giving up two for 1.
I would guess that this is the year the Knicks FO wants KAT to show them what he is worth. And especially as a central hub during the regular season and an essential piece that team can count on as much as Brunson, just in his own way. No excuses. Cause Leon gonna need to know that KAT is either worth that $50-60M+ per year in extension years or if he needs to move KAT for Giannis over the next year or 2.
KAT gotta step up for the Knicks.
Amen