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fwk00 wrote:fitzfarm wrote:It’s sad that towns is getting the finger pointed at for our issues … last night he had 22 and 18The two guys we should be looking at moving are OG and Mikel … I’d call Memphis and see if they would do a Ja and Jackson for Mikel and OG and picks . Mikel and OG are the two most inconsistent players in our starting 5 . Love OG but he needs to be more consistent on offense to be considered a star … and Mikel is just Mid .
We should have hung the banner, since then I’m guessing the nba commissioner made it a point to get the refs to look the other way . Brunson has barely gone to the ft line since the cup win. Kat isn’t the problem it’s our 3rd and forth options that have been the issue . I’d imagine Ja and Kat would rock the house with pick and rolls and Jackson gives us defense and consistency from behind the ark .
Sorry, IMO OG and Bridges are untouchable and only symptomatic of the issues with the Knicks.
These guys are both top notch pros that you go to war with. OG and Bridges will deliver.
We need a bigger guard who plays defense when it matters and we need some toughness when its important to send a message.
Bridges is having one of the worst statistical years of his career, he’s also extremely overrated on defense… sure he’s an iron man but he’s pretty mid at everything. OG is fantastic defensively but he’s very inconsistent on offense… that’s why neither one can be trusted on a
Night in night out basis .
Towns was having the best year of his career with thibs but now that brown is the coach ya’ll are screaming to trade him ? This is a carbon copy of what happened in Sacramento they came in hot running and gunning then when teams adjusted to their play brown was unable to change they were awful on defense and the players lost respect and stopped trying . It led to brown getting fired and they got peanuts for fox…
Brown will be fired before the season is over unless he gets the players to buy back in … something he’s failed to do at every spot he’s coached …. So don’t hold your breath.
Again the only player you move towns for is the Greek otherwise you’re not going to get equal value back… sabonis ??? Dude is a fringe all star that plays even worse defense than towns. Towns is a superstar who our coach has under utilized… and it’s not just towns the entire team has played like trash on defense… minus OG. Mikel is averaging 10pts a game and is a turnover machine when he becomes more of a focal point of the offense .
If you can get Ja and Jackson for OG and Mikel why on earth would you not make that trade Jackson is a former DPOY . And Ja would give us another ball handler and open up the floor for towns and Brunson.
fitzfarm wrote:[clip...]If you can get Ja and Jackson for OG and Mikel why on earth would you not make that trade Jackson is a former DPOY . And Ja would give us another ball handler and open up the floor for towns and Brunson.
What could possibly go wrong??
nycericanguy wrote:DLeethal wrote:I actually really like the Popper or Bondy trade idea of Jerami Grant + Jrue Holiday for KAT.Never really loved Sabonis, especially at C, but I do kind of like him here at PF. My gut tells me Brown isn't itching to reunite with his old Kings players though.
no way, those two guys are very close to being washed and play redundant positions.
Much better off with Sabonis and using Yabu to get a backup C. we were never winning anything without Mitch being healthy anyway.
If we can flip KAT for Sabonis, then great. I think it's highly unlikely though. What exactly would appetize the Kings to make that trade? We are most likely looking at a Trae Young deal here or something mildly better than that.
DLeethal wrote:nycericanguy wrote:DLeethal wrote:I actually really like the Popper or Bondy trade idea of Jerami Grant + Jrue Holiday for KAT.Never really loved Sabonis, especially at C, but I do kind of like him here at PF. My gut tells me Brown isn't itching to reunite with his old Kings players though.
no way, those two guys are very close to being washed and play redundant positions.
Much better off with Sabonis and using Yabu to get a backup C. we were never winning anything without Mitch being healthy anyway.
If we can flip KAT for Sabonis, then great. I think it's highly unlikely though. What exactly would appetize the Kings to make that trade? We are most likely looking at a Trae Young deal here or something mildly better than that.
I think you keep KAT if thats the case. Sabonis wants out of SAC, they aren't getting much for him either as he makes 43m. Maybe we send them the WSH pick as well. I think that's fair value for both teams given their situations.
I don’t care who we trade. Just get it done!!!!!
Leon WTF man??? Get out of the recliner and trade somebody!
Panos wrote:fitzfarm wrote:[clip...]If you can get Ja and Jackson for OG and Mikel why on earth would you not make that trade Jackson is a former DPOY . And Ja would give us another ball handler and open up the floor for towns and Brunson.
What could possibly go wrong??
What could possibly go right?
DLeethal wrote:nycericanguy wrote:DLeethal wrote:I actually really like the Popper or Bondy trade idea of Jerami Grant + Jrue Holiday for KAT.Never really loved Sabonis, especially at C, but I do kind of like him here at PF. My gut tells me Brown isn't itching to reunite with his old Kings players though.
no way, those two guys are very close to being washed and play redundant positions.
Much better off with Sabonis and using Yabu to get a backup C. we were never winning anything without Mitch being healthy anyway.
If we can flip KAT for Sabonis, then great. I think it's highly unlikely though. What exactly would appetize the Kings to make that trade? We are most likely looking at a Trae Young deal here or something mildly better than that.
Have you seen Sacto's record? Towns is up from their point of view.
fitzfarm wrote:fwk00 wrote:fitzfarm wrote:It’s sad that towns is getting the finger pointed at for our issues … last night he had 22 and 18The two guys we should be looking at moving are OG and Mikel … I’d call Memphis and see if they would do a Ja and Jackson for Mikel and OG and picks . Mikel and OG are the two most inconsistent players in our starting 5 . Love OG but he needs to be more consistent on offense to be considered a star … and Mikel is just Mid .
We should have hung the banner, since then I’m guessing the nba commissioner made it a point to get the refs to look the other way . Brunson has barely gone to the ft line since the cup win. Kat isn’t the problem it’s our 3rd and forth options that have been the issue . I’d imagine Ja and Kat would rock the house with pick and rolls and Jackson gives us defense and consistency from behind the ark .
Sorry, IMO OG and Bridges are untouchable and only symptomatic of the issues with the Knicks.
These guys are both top notch pros that you go to war with. OG and Bridges will deliver.
We need a bigger guard who plays defense when it matters and we need some toughness when its important to send a message.
Bridges is having one of the worst statistical years of his career, he’s also extremely overrated on defense… sure he’s an iron man but he’s pretty mid at everything. OG is fantastic defensively but he’s very inconsistent on offense… that’s why neither one can be trusted on a
Night in night out basis .Towns was having the best year of his career with thibs but now that brown is the coach ya’ll are screaming to trade him ? This is a carbon copy of what happened in Sacramento they came in hot running and gunning then when teams adjusted to their play brown was unable to change they were awful on defense and the players lost respect and stopped trying . It led to brown getting fired and they got peanuts for fox…
Brown will be fired before the season is over unless he gets the players to buy back in … something he’s failed to do at every spot he’s coached …. So don’t hold your breath.
Again the only player you move towns for is the Greek otherwise you’re not going to get equal value back… sabonis ??? Dude is a fringe all star that plays even worse defense than towns. Towns is a superstar who our coach has under utilized… and it’s not just towns the entire team has played like trash on defense… minus OG. Mikel is averaging 10pts a game and is a turnover machine when he becomes more of a focal point of the offense .If you can get Ja and Jackson for OG and Mikel why on earth would you not make that trade Jackson is a former DPOY . And Ja would give us another ball handler and open up the floor for towns and Brunson.
Chances are that the Knicks will do something else but let's make a spirited argument of this theoretical trade scenario.
You obviously favor losing OG and Bridges. And you seem to think doubling down on - gasp- Towns because he puts up points is a good idea.
Brown ain't going anywhere this year and this team ain't getting younger nor more endearing to the fanbase AND the East is there for the taking. It's time to make the donuts.
Towns is not cutting it regardless of everybody else's stats. OG and Bridges are not the problem. They simply aren't. They have more defensive chops than anybody you'll get to replace either. You'd be blowing holes in the roster that you'd spend years fixing.
Sabonis is only a "border line All-Star"? Okay, that's all these other guys need - somebody with a clue - who they can trust. If not Sabonis then somebody/anybody along those lines. Sabonis has a decent contract - that's good news, no? To make salaries match Sacto dumps Schroder who works for us. And you're contending.
Maybe Brown needed more time with the Sacto unit - maybe Sabonis clicks right in. It's a risk.
Every other trade I see looks like a big learning curve that the Knicks have no time for this year.
But OK next year it will be different, right?
fwk00 wrote:fitzfarm wrote:fwk00 wrote:fitzfarm wrote:It’s sad that towns is getting the finger pointed at for our issues … last night he had 22 and 18The two guys we should be looking at moving are OG and Mikel … I’d call Memphis and see if they would do a Ja and Jackson for Mikel and OG and picks . Mikel and OG are the two most inconsistent players in our starting 5 . Love OG but he needs to be more consistent on offense to be considered a star … and Mikel is just Mid .
We should have hung the banner, since then I’m guessing the nba commissioner made it a point to get the refs to look the other way . Brunson has barely gone to the ft line since the cup win. Kat isn’t the problem it’s our 3rd and forth options that have been the issue . I’d imagine Ja and Kat would rock the house with pick and rolls and Jackson gives us defense and consistency from behind the ark .
Sorry, IMO OG and Bridges are untouchable and only symptomatic of the issues with the Knicks.
These guys are both top notch pros that you go to war with. OG and Bridges will deliver.
We need a bigger guard who plays defense when it matters and we need some toughness when its important to send a message.
Bridges is having one of the worst statistical years of his career, he’s also extremely overrated on defense… sure he’s an iron man but he’s pretty mid at everything. OG is fantastic defensively but he’s very inconsistent on offense… that’s why neither one can be trusted on a
Night in night out basis .Towns was having the best year of his career with thibs but now that brown is the coach ya’ll are screaming to trade him ? This is a carbon copy of what happened in Sacramento they came in hot running and gunning then when teams adjusted to their play brown was unable to change they were awful on defense and the players lost respect and stopped trying . It led to brown getting fired and they got peanuts for fox…
Brown will be fired before the season is over unless he gets the players to buy back in … something he’s failed to do at every spot he’s coached …. So don’t hold your breath.
Again the only player you move towns for is the Greek otherwise you’re not going to get equal value back… sabonis ??? Dude is a fringe all star that plays even worse defense than towns. Towns is a superstar who our coach has under utilized… and it’s not just towns the entire team has played like trash on defense… minus OG. Mikel is averaging 10pts a game and is a turnover machine when he becomes more of a focal point of the offense .If you can get Ja and Jackson for OG and Mikel why on earth would you not make that trade Jackson is a former DPOY . And Ja would give us another ball handler and open up the floor for towns and Brunson.
Chances are that the Knicks will do something else but let's make a spirited argument of this theoretical trade scenario.
You obviously favor losing OG and Bridges. And you seem to think doubling down on - gasp- Towns because he puts up points is a good idea.
Brown ain't going anywhere this year and this team ain't getting younger nor more endearing to the fanbase AND the East is there for the taking. It's time to make the donuts.
Towns is not cutting it regardless of everybody else's stats. OG and Bridges are not the problem. They simply aren't. They have more defensive chops than anybody you'll get to replace either. You'd be blowing holes in the roster that you'd spend years fixing.
Sabonis is only a "border line All-Star"? Okay, that's all these other guys need - somebody with a clue - who they can trust. If not Sabonis then somebody/anybody along those lines. Sabonis has a decent contract - that's good news, no? To make salaries match Sacto dumps Schroder who works for us. And you're contending.
Maybe Brown needed more time with the Sacto unit - maybe Sabonis clicks right in. It's a risk.
Every other trade I see looks like a big learning curve that the Knicks have no time for this year.
But OK next year it will be different, right?
I worry that exchanging towns for Sabonis really doesn’t do anything for us. He might even be a worse defender than towns. But Schroeder would be awesome, Clarkson and Yabusele were big misses . Don’t forget that towns was huge for us in the playoffs last year . He really can’t be stopped when he’s focused …
To me bridges and OG are replaceable . I’m not saying they are bad but for someone like bridges who is averaging 10 points a game and is a turnover machine when we give him more focus on offense . We were up by double digits vs the suns and bridges was a big reason they came back .. he’s also extremely over rated on defense it seems like anyone can blow right by him. He’s also an extremely streaky shooter.
Bridges is more replaceable than towns . The fact that we don't focus the offense around towns more is devastating because he is a force that teams struggle to stop…. Do teams struggle to stop bridges ? That answer is simply no.
OG is a great defender and when he’s on offensively he is a borderline all star. But he is super inconsistent on offense. He also is injury prone and we can sell high on him now.
We will not get an upgrade on towns unless it’s for the Greek.
Memphis is in rebuilding mode Jackson is probably gone after this year … we already know Ja is on the trading block … why not call and see if we can get the two of them for bridges and OG players with good contracts with team control for years .
Ja will get everyone involved and Jackson is an all nba defender.
Towns, Jackson, hart, Ja, Brunson would be unreal then you can pair up Jackson and Mitch and who is going to score in the paint vs us no one .
Also the contracts match to make the trade with Memphis.
On brown if we keep loosing he won’t make it through the season. Especially when a guy like Mike Malone is a FA …
We need to trade everybody.
fitzfarm wrote:fwk00 wrote:fitzfarm wrote:fwk00 wrote:fitzfarm wrote:It’s sad that towns is getting the finger pointed at for our issues … last night he had 22 and 18The two guys we should be looking at moving are OG and Mikel … I’d call Memphis and see if they would do a Ja and Jackson for Mikel and OG and picks . Mikel and OG are the two most inconsistent players in our starting 5 . Love OG but he needs to be more consistent on offense to be considered a star … and Mikel is just Mid .
We should have hung the banner, since then I’m guessing the nba commissioner made it a point to get the refs to look the other way . Brunson has barely gone to the ft line since the cup win. Kat isn’t the problem it’s our 3rd and forth options that have been the issue . I’d imagine Ja and Kat would rock the house with pick and rolls and Jackson gives us defense and consistency from behind the ark .
Sorry, IMO OG and Bridges are untouchable and only symptomatic of the issues with the Knicks.
These guys are both top notch pros that you go to war with. OG and Bridges will deliver.
We need a bigger guard who plays defense when it matters and we need some toughness when its important to send a message.
Bridges is having one of the worst statistical years of his career, he’s also extremely overrated on defense… sure he’s an iron man but he’s pretty mid at everything. OG is fantastic defensively but he’s very inconsistent on offense… that’s why neither one can be trusted on a
Night in night out basis .Towns was having the best year of his career with thibs but now that brown is the coach ya’ll are screaming to trade him ? This is a carbon copy of what happened in Sacramento they came in hot running and gunning then when teams adjusted to their play brown was unable to change they were awful on defense and the players lost respect and stopped trying . It led to brown getting fired and they got peanuts for fox…
Brown will be fired before the season is over unless he gets the players to buy back in … something he’s failed to do at every spot he’s coached …. So don’t hold your breath.
Again the only player you move towns for is the Greek otherwise you’re not going to get equal value back… sabonis ??? Dude is a fringe all star that plays even worse defense than towns. Towns is a superstar who our coach has under utilized… and it’s not just towns the entire team has played like trash on defense… minus OG. Mikel is averaging 10pts a game and is a turnover machine when he becomes more of a focal point of the offense .If you can get Ja and Jackson for OG and Mikel why on earth would you not make that trade Jackson is a former DPOY . And Ja would give us another ball handler and open up the floor for towns and Brunson.
Chances are that the Knicks will do something else but let's make a spirited argument of this theoretical trade scenario.
You obviously favor losing OG and Bridges. And you seem to think doubling down on - gasp- Towns because he puts up points is a good idea.
Brown ain't going anywhere this year and this team ain't getting younger nor more endearing to the fanbase AND the East is there for the taking. It's time to make the donuts.
Towns is not cutting it regardless of everybody else's stats. OG and Bridges are not the problem. They simply aren't. They have more defensive chops than anybody you'll get to replace either. You'd be blowing holes in the roster that you'd spend years fixing.
Sabonis is only a "border line All-Star"? Okay, that's all these other guys need - somebody with a clue - who they can trust. If not Sabonis then somebody/anybody along those lines. Sabonis has a decent contract - that's good news, no? To make salaries match Sacto dumps Schroder who works for us. And you're contending.
Maybe Brown needed more time with the Sacto unit - maybe Sabonis clicks right in. It's a risk.
Every other trade I see looks like a big learning curve that the Knicks have no time for this year.
But OK next year it will be different, right?
We will not get an upgrade on towns unless it’s for the Greek.
I dunno. The Greek family will come at a high price. I don't think the Knicks recover from that trade unless its tightly constructed.
ToddTT wrote:Guys let’s not panic and come up with ridiculous cure-all trades. Keep your heads on straight.We need to trade everybody.
After this season, all bets are off. A tighter East. Other teams with more flexibility will improve.
What's our locker room look like?
Start planning for next year and beyond.
PassTheBall wrote:To get a championship this year we would have to really dig it out of the mud.Start planning for next year and beyond.
Tankathon shows we have a couple of second rounders in the fifties. Potential upside.
jskinny35 wrote:Hear KAT is being shopped to Charlotte and Orlando... Magic have Banchero, Suggs and Tyus Jones who could help us? I like Sugg's defensive intensity and Tyus would give us a solid backup PG. Not sure if Banchero is a stat filler and if he plays solid defense or is more of a bigger Melo-type player? Anybody have the intel on Banchero?
Banchero is an underachiever and not the engine that drives a team. Franz Wagner filled that void.
Once Banchero lands on another team he'll likely be just another very talented journeyman baller who never reached their full potential.
This teams needs real dogs that will fight every night. Talent matters, but you need to right temperament to step into the NY spotlight and into the current crisis this team is undergoing.
He is a physical brick house at 6-10 and a PF. Was though to be the prototypical one but his range suffers.
I don't see a fit here and I'd rather roll with OG for the about the same money. With him you get defensive intangables. With Paolo. you get more offense at a high volume. Almost seems watching him Orlando does not know what to do with him?
Jaren Jax JR.? Comes with a rep of missing games? Fouls alot? Low rebounder. He is not a center.
We talking trade for Kat obviously. WE need a center. KAT checks a lot of boxes if you think about it. Not the defensive one obviously.
Jax you get that, but where are the rebounds?
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nycericanguy wrote:DLeethal wrote:nycericanguy wrote:DLeethal wrote:I actually really like the Popper or Bondy trade idea of Jerami Grant + Jrue Holiday for KAT.Never really loved Sabonis, especially at C, but I do kind of like him here at PF. My gut tells me Brown isn't itching to reunite with his old Kings players though.
no way, those two guys are very close to being washed and play redundant positions.
Much better off with Sabonis and using Yabu to get a backup C. we were never winning anything without Mitch being healthy anyway.
If we can flip KAT for Sabonis, then great. I think it's highly unlikely though. What exactly would appetize the Kings to make that trade? We are most likely looking at a Trae Young deal here or something mildly better than that.
I think you keep KAT if thats the case. Sabonis wants out of SAC, they aren't getting much for him either as he makes 43m. Maybe we send them the WSH pick as well. I think that's fair value for both teams given their situations.
I mean SAC is the dumbest organization in the NBA so you can't put anything past them. But trading for another all offense player after all of the moves they have made to ruin their team lately would just make no sense at all. If they can't win with Sabonis in that spot why would they try Towns? They are more likely to tank from here if they had any brains.