Knicks · There's going to be a trade (page 12)

If Giannis falls through, just trade KAT to a third team and get Sabonis from the kings. That’s who Mike brown wants KAT to be anyways. Saves a ton of money and allows us to resign Mitch in the offseason without being up against the second apron. It’s worth moving KAT and a minor asset or two if possible.

Nalod wrote:
Let me remind that teams need to overcome adversity and its part of the journey to a chip. Few teams hit a rough spot as we did and then just bail on its formula.

Assuming there is a formula. I could be wrong but this looks like an incomplete plane in mid-flight looking for parts.
Adversity is different from fundamental flawed design. I watch more than a few Knicks pundit shows and aside from CP @KFTV, I'm not hearing votes of confidence in this roster.
There is a genuine concern that A LOT of things have to not only get corrected but also go well for the Knicks to get to the ECF.
Hubris and a surprise Cinderella team...

Nalod wrote:
"but its not working"..........

True to some extent. Now, the gray area's are there are deals that might make sense. Few teams do mid year blockbusters and then succeed for many reasons. If Leon was presented with an offer he could not refuse, he should do it. But one that might bring in a star but leave the roster incomplete is best suited for an off season move.

I don't buy this logic at all. Pre-Towns trade it was working very well. I almost think Randle and DiVincenzo might be better than Twons.
I'm not sure trading for the Greek has much value going forward if not now. This season has a foreseeable path to a ring. Next year is a giant question mark.

Nalod wrote:"but the window is open now......."

It is. Which is why I'd rather bank on knicks in year two pushing thru with what we got. This was never a slam dunk we'd come out of the east. Not in the age of parity. Too many wild cards. We might have been favorites on a statistical basis. even a 33% chance also comes with 66% it don't.

Enjoy the ride and the journey filled with adversity! Its why chips are special when they occur. Not taking a end to end season of domination and eventual coronation as a bad thing, but its rare in pro sports these days.

Pushing through? To where? Many of us cringe watching the few games we do.
I'm speaking selfishly here. I've rooted for even the shittiest Knicks teams for over fifty years.
My message to the front office is take a risk or two to get that ring, the rest of the EC is reloading this season.

Nalod wrote:
"We will never win with KAT!"...........what are the real odds of winning without him?

It depends.

Nalod wrote:
"Giannis is the path".......Is one for one trade really a reality? If not, what is the true cost?

"is an OG as core piece, and say Mitch/Dadiet/pick for Giannis worth it? Hate to lose OG, but KAT/Giannis frontline is enticing!

"Portland give back all its picks for KAT/Mickal? Is this like a haters wet dream concoction for those fans needing an outlet for Mika/Kat frustrations. Dial that shit in and get the clicks! It the algorithm that draws you in and validates the dark side without the "darkness" associated! Closes the mind into a revenue generating click! Never mind Jrue is owned 70 mil AFTER this year will be 36 by this seasons end. Giannis keeps popping his calves. What can go wrong?

"Stay the course".........Boring. Yes it is.

One of the more sensible Giannis trades (to me) was speculated upon on KFTV the other night.

Towns, Deuce, and Bridges through Milwaukee and Portland. A lot of ifs, ands, and buts. It *could* work - the moving parts are there.

I wouldn't mind getting Thybulle and Scoot Henderson w/the Greek in the calculation

fwk00 wrote:I don't buy this logic at all. Pre-Towns trade it was working very well. I almost think Randle and DiVincenzo might be better than Twons.
I'm not sure trading for the Greek has much value going forward if not now. This season has a foreseeable path to a ring. Next year is a giant question mark.

Donte is every bit a NYC type of player

Randle is every bit NOT a NYC type of player

Bringing Donte back would make sense

But Randle would collapse into a puddle of tears and angry sniffles if he was put back into a Knicks uniform.

Every psychiatrist in the metropolitan NY area would be sliding their business card under Leon Rose's door.

BlueKnickers wrote:

fwk00 wrote:I don't buy this logic at all. Pre-Towns trade it was working very well. I almost think Randle and DiVincenzo might be better than Twons.
I'm not sure trading for the Greek has much value going forward if not now. This season has a foreseeable path to a ring. Next year is a giant question mark.

Donte is every bit a NYC type of player

Randle is every bit NOT a NYC type of player

Bringing Donte back would make sense

But Randle would collapse into a puddle of tears and angry sniffles if he was put back into a Knicks uniform.

Every psychiatrist in the metropolitan NY area would be sliding their business card under Leon Rose's door.

Oh, I'm not suggesting bringing them back. I'm simply saying the return was insufficient.

fwk00 wrote:

BlueKnickers wrote:Hope there is a good KAT trade out there, but the reality is he may be very difficult to trade.

The real prayer here is Giannis playing hardball and letting the rest of the league know he won't extend with anyone but the Knicks. That's our primary hope right now.

Right now, this is the bottleneck. I think there are agents out there courting Giannis who have the leverage to make a trade happen.

Waiting until the last minute has consequences.

Lakers get this kind of shit done all the time. Time for Knicks to do it.

fwk00 wrote:

BlueKnickers wrote:

fwk00 wrote:I don't buy this logic at all. Pre-Towns trade it was working very well. I almost think Randle and DiVincenzo might be better than Twons.
I'm not sure trading for the Greek has much value going forward if not now. This season has a foreseeable path to a ring. Next year is a giant question mark.

Donte is every bit a NYC type of player

Randle is every bit NOT a NYC type of player

Bringing Donte back would make sense

But Randle would collapse into a puddle of tears and angry sniffles if he was put back into a Knicks uniform.

Every psychiatrist in the metropolitan NY area would be sliding their business card under Leon Rose's door.

Oh, I'm not suggesting bringing them back. I'm simply saying the return was insufficient.

We were all ready to move on from Randle. We remember that January 2024 knicks team well, but really the team made more sense without Randle. Moving Donte was the cost of upgrading to KAT because he is a much better version of Randle with better shooting. But some of the weaknesses are comparable between the 2. I was a fan of moving Randle for a backup center and backup scorer combination, but I don’t think that type of deal was out there at the time.

I'm all for a trade if it makes the team better. I'm definitely not giving KAT away for Jerami Grant and Jrue Holiday!

Just spitballing a trade idea out there. The cap gurus may know better if this makes sense.
Could we offer KAT to OKC for iHart + filler (ex. Caruso)?
My thought is they get KAT's option which they can decline (I think) and use the cap space to extend Chet.
We also take a somewhat bad contract off their hands (Caruso). Also gives us a few million in cap space.
We know how iHart fit here previously and I think he would fit in Brown's system.

Not sure OKC would do it but thoughts?

SergioNYK wrote:I'm all for a trade if it makes the team better. I'm definitely not giving KAT away for Jerami Grant and Jrue Holiday!

Makes very little sense to me as well. A big no to high-cost, older players with big contract obligations.

Trade smart, get a pick or some youth along with necessities but don't strap the club with albatross contracts.

Blade37db wrote:Just spitballing a trade idea out there. The cap gurus may know better if this makes sense.
Could we offer KAT to OKC for iHart + filler (ex. Caruso)?
My thought is they get KAT's option which they can decline (I think) and use the cap space to extend Chet.
We also take a somewhat bad contract off their hands (Caruso). Also gives us a few million in cap space.
We know how iHart fit here previously and I think he would fit in Brown's system.

Not sure OKC would do it but thoughts?

I like the thinking but I just don't see Towns fitting into their culture.

Hate to sound like the Redundant Dept. of Redundancy but IHart really is sorely missed.
IMO, the closest proxy (and I could be wrong) is Sabonis who is likely very available.
Sacto would have a lot of reasons to do the trade and it would involve a much lighter touch on the Knicks (no need to move Bridges or OG).
IMO, Sabonis can't do any more damage than Towns demonstrates on any given evening and my guess (hope) is that he might actually improve everyone around him.
That means a more effective front and back court (and we are LOADED with top notch talent).

Couple Sabonis with a dog that bites in Schroder and the team can rumble.
Maybe get Saric as well. It fills many needs.

Blade37db wrote:Just spitballing a trade idea out there. The cap gurus may know better if this makes sense.
Could we offer KAT to OKC for iHart + filler (ex. Caruso)?
My thought is they get KAT's option which they can decline (I think) and use the cap space to extend Chet.
We also take a somewhat bad contract off their hands (Caruso). Also gives us a few million in cap space.
We know how iHart fit here previously and I think he would fit in Brown's system.

Not sure OKC would do it but thoughts?

Your rationale is solid in a vacuum. I wondered why we did not do it before we lost iHart. The issue now is that KAT makes so much more money, now that his extension kicked in that OKC could no longer accommodate the salary. They already have 3 max contracts sets to kick in and have the Cason Wallace/Ajay Mitchell/Lou Dort negotiations to consider. There is no way they can keep their team intact as constructured; KAT will only make that process more difficult.

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