Knicks · Why not go Old School? (page 1)

Panos @ 4/15/2026 11:07 AM
I've been thinking about this strategy where coaches put non-bigs on KAT or other centers to defend them with more quickness.
But in the old days, such a strategy would not work with the old school centers.
Patrick would establish in the post and drop baby hooks all day long.
So why not punish this strategy similarly? Instead of setting up at the top of the key and barrelling in for Offensive foul,
why not set up deeper and get the entry pass closer to the hoop? Is KAT unable to convert on this type of play?
Not saying it has to be his every play, but why not make the most of the height advantage and punish the matchup?
Just seems so obvious to me.
jskinny35 @ 4/15/2026 12:39 PM
I like the idea but also think the athleticism and ability to switch/cover has improved significantly since the 90s. Players today are faster and more focused on defensive schemes as it is less of a "star" league. Also the Hawks may not be as tall but they do have length/wingspans that cause a lot of disruption. Then there is the Mitch free throw issue that is hit or miss much of the time. I do think using KAT to punish in the post and utilize his passing will be a big part of our success.
Swishfm3 @ 4/15/2026 1:10 PM
jskinny35 wrote:I like the idea but also think the athleticism and ability to switch/cover has improved significantly since the 90s. Players today are faster and more focused on defensive schemes as it is less of a "star" league. Also the Hawks may not be as tall but they do have length/wingspans that cause a lot of disruption. Then there is the Mitch free throw issue that is hit or miss much of the time. I do think using KAT to punish in the post and utilize his passing will be a big part of our success.

This....and I don't believe they teach "big men" how to post up anymore. KAT is horrible at it (and extremely weak) It seems to be a lost art.

martin @ 4/15/2026 2:37 PM
KAT may not be an Old School player.

Coach did change things up too

newyorknewyork @ 4/15/2026 2:51 PM
Panos wrote:I've been thinking about this strategy where coaches put non-bigs on KAT or other centers to defend them with more quickness.
But in the old days, such a strategy would not work with the old school centers.
Patrick would establish in the post and drop baby hooks all day long.
So why not punish this strategy similarly? Instead of setting up at the top of the key and barrelling in for Offensive foul,
why not set up deeper and get the entry pass closer to the hoop? Is KAT unable to convert on this type of play?
Not saying it has to be his every play, but why not make the most of the height advantage and punish the matchup?
Just seems so obvious to me.

Because KAT's post game isn't on the level it should be. Getting pushed out of the block by much smaller players way more than he should be.
There was a time when Dirk had a similar problem, which would hurt him come playoff time. Then he put in work to develop his post game/strength(One-Legged Fede). Processed to lead one of the greatest playoff runs in NBA history.

Panos @ 4/15/2026 3:01 PM
martin wrote:KAT may not be an Old School player.

Coach did change things up too

Let's get Hakeem in here. Shit, Patrick is part of the organization. Harness that strength!

jaydh @ 4/15/2026 6:44 PM
Rumor is KAT doesn't like contact, so maybe that's why he plays more on the outside.
ToddTT @ 4/15/2026 7:17 PM
💗💗💗 Bully ball. 💗💗💗
Nalod @ 4/15/2026 11:12 PM
Pano's, you been watching the last 20 games?
Panos @ 4/15/2026 11:31 PM
Nalod wrote:Pano's, you been watching the last 20 games?

Nalo'd there ain't no apostrophe.

martin @ 4/16/2026 9:51 AM
Panos wrote:
martin wrote:KAT may not be an Old School player.

Coach did change things up too

Let's get Hakeem in here. Shit, Patrick is part of the organization. Harness that strength!

Yeah, give KAT the Dirk treatment with Patrick. Like it

martin @ 4/16/2026 9:52 AM
Panos wrote:
Nalod wrote:Pano's, you been watching the last 20 games?

Nalo'd there ain't no apostrophe.

Nalod wants you to be possessive of the last 20 games

Philc1 @ 4/17/2026 7:31 AM
Panos wrote:I've been thinking about this strategy where coaches put non-bigs on KAT or other centers to defend them with more quickness.
But in the old days, such a strategy would not work with the old school centers.
Patrick would establish in the post and drop baby hooks all day long.
So why not punish this strategy similarly? Instead of setting up at the top of the key and barrelling in for Offensive foul,
why not set up deeper and get the entry pass closer to the hoop? Is KAT unable to convert on this type of play?
Not saying it has to be his every play, but why not make the most of the height advantage and punish the matchup?
Just seems so obvious to me.

KAT does not get calls. Seriously. He literally gets fouled every time he drives or posts up and the refs look the other way. NBA refs are a joke on fanduel’s payroll they and the NFL refs can entirely F off

Pavvy @ 4/18/2026 5:14 AM
Panos wrote:I've been thinking about this strategy where coaches put non-bigs on KAT or other centers to defend them with more quickness.
But in the old days, such a strategy would not work with the old school centers.
Patrick would establish in the post and drop baby hooks all day long.
So why not punish this strategy similarly? Instead of setting up at the top of the key and barrelling in for Offensive foul,
why not set up deeper and get the entry pass closer to the hoop? Is KAT unable to convert on this type of play?
Not saying it has to be his every play, but why not make the most of the height advantage and punish the matchup?
Just seems so obvious to me.

i think they've gone more to that towards the end of the season...Kat driving from top of key is always risky for turnover and offensive fouls..... Kat isnt necessarily old school- he seems to be a guard in a centers body - we should use him more as a playmaker using Mikal and OG as the slashers which can get them going especially Mikal who needs the easy buckets

NYKBocker @ 4/18/2026 11:02 AM
Entry pass is a lost art. The only player I see making a consistent entry pass is Kolek
Chandler @ 4/18/2026 12:27 PM
two thoughts. 1) post up is not the only way to punish a smaller defender. PnR with big rolling to hoop should work. 2) I think the problem exists at the other end w KAT trying to guard someone smaller.

that said, I totally agree with the sentiment. If a team pulls a tactic like that you need to make them pay for it. Having Brunson hit the ball when KAT has easy buckets rewards the opponent

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