Knicks · ECF Game 4: Knicks @ Cavs, SWEEP THE LEG! 5/25 8pm (ESPN) (page 16)
martin@ 5/26/2026 11:55 AM
It’s nothing but the big Apple, chopped cheese, and wet 3’s hahahahaha
Best intro line ever by the way, start spreading the news and start spreading those cheeks
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DLeethal wrote:I think we will keep Shamet. He wants to be here, and has openly said he considers NY his home and considers himself a New Yorker. I would probably keep him over Deuce TBH. Knicks are kind of at the point where they might simply go deep into the tax to sign everyone. The level this team has hit warrants it.
He definitely looks MLE, or whatever exception we get, worthy. He’s still young, he needs a 3 year deal with the 3rd yr being an option
Rookie@ 5/26/2026 1:24 PM
Nalod@ 5/26/2026 2:21 PM
I think shamet and the future will be determined by the outcome. Also in respect to the age of our players, the good health thus far, one has to consider if this is a once in a lifetime run, and it does not deliver a chip, do we take a step back and reboot to some extent, or run it back?
If we do win it all that too brings another set of circumstances.
ANd don't think Leon is not thinking of both with picks and trade offers being mulled. Not saying he pulls the trigger either way.
DLeethal@ 5/26/2026 2:36 PM
Swishfm3 wrote:
martin wrote:
DLeethal wrote:I think we will keep Shamet. He wants to be here, and has openly said he considers NY his home and considers himself a New Yorker. I would probably keep him over Deuce TBH. Knicks are kind of at the point where they might simply go deep into the tax to sign everyone. The level this team has hit warrants it.
100% to everything you’ve said, including the Shamet over Deuce scenario
I think the question we (Knicks FO) need to ask ourselves is do we think Deuce can TURN INTO a Shamet type outside shooter. Would like to keep Shamet is going to command a big raise and Deuce is about 4 years younger
Deuce is a Shamet level shooter. But he's too small to play SG defense, and incapable of running PG offense, Shamet has kind of leap frogged him already as a stopper on D. Deuce is basically a 6'0 Shamet.
martin@ 5/26/2026 3:08 PM
Well rested, or rusty
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Nalod wrote:I think shamet and the future will be determined by the outcome. Also in respect to the age of our players, the good health thus far, one has to consider if this is a once in a lifetime run, and it does not deliver a chip, do we take a step back and reboot to some extent, or run it back?
If we do win it all that too brings another set of circumstances.
ANd don't think Leon is not thinking of both with picks and trade offers being mulled. Not saying he pulls the trigger either way.
They'll run it back with the starting unit and make adjustments to the rest of the roster.
McCullar is ready to go full time next season. He's the best bench guard on the team not named Shamet.
Diawara will get more minutes once they sort out his contract situation.
The players whom I expect may be traded are Deuce and Mitch.
The coin flips are Clarkson and Alvarado.
But if they re-sign Shamet, and they should, our 1-8 rotation should be starters + Shamet + Diawara + McCullar. Roster from 9 to end of bench would be Kolek, Hukporti, Dadiet and whomever is left over.
Deuce is probably gone and I'm not sure they will keep Mitch. If anything, expect the focus of the FO's drafting/trades to be on PF and Center Depth.
BlueKnickers@ 5/26/2026 8:54 PM
martin wrote:Haha
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Nalod wrote:I think shamet and the future will be determined by the outcome. Also in respect to the age of our players, the good health thus far, one has to consider if this is a once in a lifetime run, and it does not deliver a chip, do we take a step back and reboot to some extent, or run it back?
If we do win it all that too brings another set of circumstances.
ANd don't think Leon is not thinking of both with picks and trade offers being mulled. Not saying he pulls the trigger either way.
They'll run it back with the starting unit and make adjustments to the rest of the roster.
McCullar is ready to go full time next season. He's the best bench guard on the team not named Shamet.
Diawara will get more minutes once they sort out his contract situation.
The players whom I expect may be traded are Deuce and Mitch.
The coin flips are Clarkson and Alvarado.
But if they re-sign Shamet, and they should, our 1-8 rotation should be starters + Shamet + Diawara + McCullar. Roster from 9 to end of bench would be Kolek, Hukporti, Dadiet and whomever is left over.
Deuce is probably gone and I'm not sure they will keep Mitch. If anything, expect the focus of the FO's drafting/trades to be on PF and Center Depth.
If they don't keep Mitch, we're really going to need a backup 5. I thought Huk would step up this year, but really hasn't. Can we get a Paul Reed? Steve Adams? Both are under contract next year. Who else fits the mold?
BlueKnickers@ 5/27/2026 10:44 AM
Panos wrote:
BlueKnickers wrote:
Nalod wrote:I think shamet and the future will be determined by the outcome. Also in respect to the age of our players, the good health thus far, one has to consider if this is a once in a lifetime run, and it does not deliver a chip, do we take a step back and reboot to some extent, or run it back?
If we do win it all that too brings another set of circumstances.
ANd don't think Leon is not thinking of both with picks and trade offers being mulled. Not saying he pulls the trigger either way.
They'll run it back with the starting unit and make adjustments to the rest of the roster.
McCullar is ready to go full time next season. He's the best bench guard on the team not named Shamet.
Diawara will get more minutes once they sort out his contract situation.
The players whom I expect may be traded are Deuce and Mitch.
The coin flips are Clarkson and Alvarado.
But if they re-sign Shamet, and they should, our 1-8 rotation should be starters + Shamet + Diawara + McCullar. Roster from 9 to end of bench would be Kolek, Hukporti, Dadiet and whomever is left over.
Deuce is probably gone and I'm not sure they will keep Mitch. If anything, expect the focus of the FO's drafting/trades to be on PF and Center Depth.
If they don't keep Mitch, we're really going to need a backup 5. I thought Huk would step up this year, but really hasn't. Can we get a Paul Reed? Steve Adams? Both are under contract next year. Who else fits the mold?
There's always someone out there. They might sign Mitch anyway, but I am prepared to see him moved and replaced by somebody else on the cheap.
Panos@ 5/27/2026 11:07 AM
BlueKnickers wrote:
Panos wrote:
BlueKnickers wrote:
Nalod wrote:I think shamet and the future will be determined by the outcome. Also in respect to the age of our players, the good health thus far, one has to consider if this is a once in a lifetime run, and it does not deliver a chip, do we take a step back and reboot to some extent, or run it back?
If we do win it all that too brings another set of circumstances.
ANd don't think Leon is not thinking of both with picks and trade offers being mulled. Not saying he pulls the trigger either way.
They'll run it back with the starting unit and make adjustments to the rest of the roster.
McCullar is ready to go full time next season. He's the best bench guard on the team not named Shamet.
Diawara will get more minutes once they sort out his contract situation.
The players whom I expect may be traded are Deuce and Mitch.
The coin flips are Clarkson and Alvarado.
But if they re-sign Shamet, and they should, our 1-8 rotation should be starters + Shamet + Diawara + McCullar. Roster from 9 to end of bench would be Kolek, Hukporti, Dadiet and whomever is left over.
Deuce is probably gone and I'm not sure they will keep Mitch. If anything, expect the focus of the FO's drafting/trades to be on PF and Center Depth.
If they don't keep Mitch, we're really going to need a backup 5. I thought Huk would step up this year, but really hasn't. Can we get a Paul Reed? Steve Adams? Both are under contract next year. Who else fits the mold?
There's always someone out there. They might sign Mitch anyway, but I am prepared to see him moved and replaced by somebody else on the cheap.
I'd really rather he just figure out his FT and stay. I don't know why it is so complicated for him. Give the shot a little arc and lots of good things might happen!
Nalod@ 5/27/2026 5:53 PM
BlueKnickers wrote:
Panos wrote:
BlueKnickers wrote:
Nalod wrote:I think shamet and the future will be determined by the outcome. Also in respect to the age of our players, the good health thus far, one has to consider if this is a once in a lifetime run, and it does not deliver a chip, do we take a step back and reboot to some extent, or run it back?
If we do win it all that too brings another set of circumstances.
ANd don't think Leon is not thinking of both with picks and trade offers being mulled. Not saying he pulls the trigger either way.
They'll run it back with the starting unit and make adjustments to the rest of the roster.
McCullar is ready to go full time next season. He's the best bench guard on the team not named Shamet.
Diawara will get more minutes once they sort out his contract situation.
The players whom I expect may be traded are Deuce and Mitch.
The coin flips are Clarkson and Alvarado.
But if they re-sign Shamet, and they should, our 1-8 rotation should be starters + Shamet + Diawara + McCullar. Roster from 9 to end of bench would be Kolek, Hukporti, Dadiet and whomever is left over.
Deuce is probably gone and I'm not sure they will keep Mitch. If anything, expect the focus of the FO's drafting/trades to be on PF and Center Depth.
If they don't keep Mitch, we're really going to need a backup 5. I thought Huk would step up this year, but really hasn't. Can we get a Paul Reed? Steve Adams? Both are under contract next year. Who else fits the mold?
There's always someone out there. They might sign Mitch anyway, but I am prepared to see him moved and replaced by somebody else on the cheap.
Leon has a knack to get a knick to fit the kneed.
LivingLegend@ 5/27/2026 5:56 PM
martin wrote:Windhorst: "I talked to some Knicks coaches…
When they changed the offense to go thru KAT
It wasn't just give the ball to KAT
It was also run action off ball
Moving Brunson around… Moving OG… Mikal… Josh…
They love it
They. Love. It.
So that engages them on D…
So now when they get a rebound…
They're tearing off to the other end…
Because they wanna get down there
Because they know
They're gonna be involved…
So…why does it take 90% of the season for that to happen?
IDK why…
But it happened.
Not only has it unlocked their talent
It's unlocked their chemistry…
Now you watch them play
And it's one giant party"
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I mean this is all nice and good by Windy and coaches but this is just common sense over the history of basketball.
Guys play better / harder when they are involved - simple as that.
Standing in the corner watching Jalen take 10-15 seconds to find his shot isn't fun and more importantly it's difficult to get into any kind of rhythm the less you touch the ball.
We have to keep fighting the GO TO JALEN periods --- while he does/can deliver it's also dangerous for the points noted in Martin's original post.
LivingLegend@ 5/27/2026 6:08 PM
Panos wrote:
martin wrote:Windhorst: "I talked to some Knicks coaches…
When they changed the offense to go thru KAT
It wasn't just give the ball to KAT
It was also run action off ball
Moving Brunson around… Moving OG… Mikal… Josh…
They love it
They. Love. It.
So that engages them on D…
So now when they get a rebound…
They're tearing off to the other end…
Because they wanna get down there
Because they know
They're gonna be involved…
So…why does it take 90% of the season for that to happen?
IDK why…
But it happened.
Not only has it unlocked their talent
It's unlocked their chemistry…
Now you watch them play
And it's one giant party"
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I did notice that they did not run the offense through KAT last night as much as in prior series. Wonder why? Was it an adjustment to a Cav's adjustment or personnel?
What I noticed in this series is the Knicks wanted to take Mobley out of their offensive rotations (they didn't want him defending their actions). When Mobley guarded Kat -- you saw Kat basically went to the corners and stood there while Knicks let Brunson choose who he wanted to call up to create a switch.
That might have changed some if Brunson went to the bench and we needed to run offense thru Kat but with Jalen on the floor and Mobley guarding Kat they simply put Kat away from the initial action. Basically removed Cavs best defender and worked everyone else.
LivingLegend@ 5/27/2026 6:10 PM
Panos wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
nycericanguy wrote:I hope Shamet has found a home here even if he has to take less. The CUP and finals money should help...lol
He can't leave, he just can't!
But I don't see how he didn't just earn himself a bag. 3&D and big playoff performances.
Knicks can offer him up to $15.6mil with early bird rights. But don't know if they would be willing to do that unless they are willing to part with both Deuce & Mitch.
In these playoffs, his TS% (72.6%) and 3-point percentage (54.8%) are hyper-elite, driven by his blistering 17-for-21 stretch from deep over his last six games. Finally a shooter I can compare to Steve Novak off the bench, only Shamet plays good defense! Such a good feel good story is Shamet, I'm so happy for him. Enjoy the moment, young man!!!
I'm not getting tied to any 1 specific guy -- this team has the vibe that Shamet could go cold or disappear altogether next series BUT someone else will step up. Our biggest strength is our scoring coming from EVERYONE.
Nalod@ 5/27/2026 9:04 PM
Logic is also what other teams are willing to pay Shamet and assign a role. I suggest you look at Shamets career and then think how much is a player like that worth. I don't know. To be fair, its a wonderful deviation from his career body of work. Shamet doe not play full seasons or starter minutes.
Don't get me wrong, Im on record if advocating for him after last season and again before he "Made the team"! Very likable, interesting story, and expresses an interest in the city,. This kid works his tail off and has faced extinction a few times but keeps coming back. I have not watched his whole career so looking at his numbers vs. what he is currently doing are a bit different. If this is who he is the next 4 years give him a DDV deal and he our dog if that is the market for him. He is coming up to 30 and one of Leon's apparent formula is being able to trade a player. Can't over pay by some metric. Lets see how the next 4-7 games go and perhaps things get clearer.
SergioNYK@ 5/28/2026 9:54 AM
Big Fella being a part of this run means the world to me!
Nalod@ 5/28/2026 10:20 AM
Id almost guess Patrick has reconciled his past and at peace with it. He has succeeded far more then he has not. I know he wanted to coach the Knicks but fell short of credentials to earn that post. No doubt a beloved knick but reality is it could have been a disaster! While no chip to crown a storied career, or a league MVP he about checked off everything else as a player.
If he is personally satisfied he is no doubt enjoying the brotherhood of being a knick and able to enjoy their current success.
