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Jose - Deuce - Landry was always an undersized trio and put lots of pressure on Mikal and OG to carry all of the 3/4 forward burden. Mo brings much needed balance there off the bench. But someone will have to concede a spot between Landry and Deuce.
DLeethal wrote:I highly doubt Deuce, Landry, and Mo are all on the team next year. Landry was basically playing Mo’s future role as a bench wing. If Landry is back he slides to his natural 2 position and Deuce most likely gets traded for a pick or something. If not then Landry most likely isn’t back. I’m sure for Mo to take this deal he was promised playing time going forward.Jose - Deuce - Landry was always an undersized trio and put lots of pressure on Mikal and OG to carry all of the 3/4 forward burden. Mo brings much needed balance there off the bench. But someone will have to concede a spot between Landry and Deuce.
MO is versatile enough to even play small ball 5, and I doubt Mitch plays B2B's again. Maybe we even finally let Mikal sit and end that streak. Mikal playing 65 games a year going forward might be best for his career, especially with all these deep playoff runs.
Too much depth is a great problem to have. I remember we had RJ, IQ, Grimes, DDV, Hart, Deuce, Brunson... it all ends up working itself out though.
DLeethal wrote:I highly doubt Deuce, Landry, and Mo are all on the team next year. Landry was basically playing Mo’s future role as a bench wing. If Landry is back he slides to his natural 2 position and Deuce most likely gets traded for a pick or something. If not then Landry most likely isn’t back. I’m sure for Mo to take this deal he was promised playing time going forward.Jose - Deuce - Landry was always an undersized trio and put lots of pressure on Mikal and OG to carry all of the 3/4 forward burden. Mo brings much needed balance there off the bench. But someone will have to concede a spot between Landry and Deuce.
Landry could theoretically take a hometown discount to stay but I think he gets a legit contract offer somewhere.
Philc1 wrote:DLeethal wrote:I highly doubt Deuce, Landry, and Mo are all on the team next year. Landry was basically playing Mo’s future role as a bench wing. If Landry is back he slides to his natural 2 position and Deuce most likely gets traded for a pick or something. If not then Landry most likely isn’t back. I’m sure for Mo to take this deal he was promised playing time going forward.Jose - Deuce - Landry was always an undersized trio and put lots of pressure on Mikal and OG to carry all of the 3/4 forward burden. Mo brings much needed balance there off the bench. But someone will have to concede a spot between Landry and Deuce.
Landry could theoretically take a hometown discount to stay but I think he gets a legit contract offer somewhere.
we can offer a legit contract...he doesnt need to take a discount. if we're going over the 2nd apron we can pay him whatever we want. there's no benefit to only going over a little, we are either going over or staying under. but staying under never made sense given this timeline, so I think Dolan just misspoke.
I keep saying this but I'm convinced we are signing Mitch for 2 years 40m, and Shamet for 2/20m... or something around those numbers.
newyorknewyork wrote:Now sign Huk & McCullar to early bird rights contracts for 3 years $7mil each.Gamble on them now as they can be rotational 2nd unit pieces for the low in 2 years if not next season.
Huk I can see developing into Mitch’s role in the rotation. He’s a 7 footer.
nycericanguy wrote:Philc1 wrote:DLeethal wrote:I highly doubt Deuce, Landry, and Mo are all on the team next year. Landry was basically playing Mo’s future role as a bench wing. If Landry is back he slides to his natural 2 position and Deuce most likely gets traded for a pick or something. If not then Landry most likely isn’t back. I’m sure for Mo to take this deal he was promised playing time going forward.Jose - Deuce - Landry was always an undersized trio and put lots of pressure on Mikal and OG to carry all of the 3/4 forward burden. Mo brings much needed balance there off the bench. But someone will have to concede a spot between Landry and Deuce.
Landry could theoretically take a hometown discount to stay but I think he gets a legit contract offer somewhere.
we can offer a legit contract...he doesnt need to take a discount. if we're going over the 2nd apron we can pay him whatever we want. there's no benefit to only going over a little, we are either going over or staying under. but staying under never made sense given this timeline, so I think Dolan just misspoke.
I keep saying this but I'm convinced we are signing Mitch for 2 years 40m, and Shamet for 2/20m... or something around those numbers.
I don’t think the Knicks want to go over second apron nor should they. It would make rebuilding 5 years from now literally impossible
DLeethal wrote:I highly doubt Deuce, Landry, and Mo are all on the team next year. Landry was basically playing Mo’s future role as a bench wing. If Landry is back he slides to his natural 2 position and Deuce most likely gets traded for a pick or something. If not then Landry most likely isn’t back. I’m sure for Mo to take this deal he was promised playing time going forward.Jose - Deuce - Landry was always an undersized trio and put lots of pressure on Mikal and OG to carry all of the 3/4 forward burden. Mo brings much needed balance there off the bench. But someone will have to concede a spot between Landry and Deuce.
This is a great time for the Knicks to make improvements to the roster composition. I wouldn’t mind trading Deuce. His contract is small which is valuable to a contender. Since our roster is going to be stacked, why not use Deuce as the centerpiece to acquire an additional pick that lands us a 19 year old potential star like Ekuba Okorie who can take his time and develop. We need a PG who can lead the 2nd unit, play with JB and defend 1 and 2’s. He has a 6’8” wingspan and plays D - but he’s best known for his ridiculous first step and being one of the top scorers as a freshman. His team sucked so he didn’t have a ton of assists. If he stayed and the team improved he could’ve averaged 7 assists and been a top 10 pick next year
Philc1 wrote:DLeethal wrote:I highly doubt Deuce, Landry, and Mo are all on the team next year. Landry was basically playing Mo’s future role as a bench wing. If Landry is back he slides to his natural 2 position and Deuce most likely gets traded for a pick or something. If not then Landry most likely isn’t back. I’m sure for Mo to take this deal he was promised playing time going forward.Jose - Deuce - Landry was always an undersized trio and put lots of pressure on Mikal and OG to carry all of the 3/4 forward burden. Mo brings much needed balance there off the bench. But someone will have to concede a spot between Landry and Deuce.
Landry could theoretically take a hometown discount to stay but I think he gets a legit contract offer somewhere.
We can give Shamet a great contract by going over the 2nd apron. If we lose him it’s probably bc we didn’t want him, not bc we couldn’t afford him. I think we want him and he’ll be back
Philc1 wrote:nycericanguy wrote:Philc1 wrote:DLeethal wrote:I highly doubt Deuce, Landry, and Mo are all on the team next year. Landry was basically playing Mo’s future role as a bench wing. If Landry is back he slides to his natural 2 position and Deuce most likely gets traded for a pick or something. If not then Landry most likely isn’t back. I’m sure for Mo to take this deal he was promised playing time going forward.Jose - Deuce - Landry was always an undersized trio and put lots of pressure on Mikal and OG to carry all of the 3/4 forward burden. Mo brings much needed balance there off the bench. But someone will have to concede a spot between Landry and Deuce.
Landry could theoretically take a hometown discount to stay but I think he gets a legit contract offer somewhere.
we can offer a legit contract...he doesnt need to take a discount. if we're going over the 2nd apron we can pay him whatever we want. there's no benefit to only going over a little, we are either going over or staying under. but staying under never made sense given this timeline, so I think Dolan just misspoke.
I keep saying this but I'm convinced we are signing Mitch for 2 years 40m, and Shamet for 2/20m... or something around those numbers.
I don’t think the Knicks want to go over second apron nor should they. It would make rebuilding 5 years from now literally impossible
It shouldn’t impact us in the future. We won’t stay over it for more than 2 yrs
Philc1 wrote:nycericanguy wrote:Philc1 wrote:DLeethal wrote:I highly doubt Deuce, Landry, and Mo are all on the team next year. Landry was basically playing Mo’s future role as a bench wing. If Landry is back he slides to his natural 2 position and Deuce most likely gets traded for a pick or something. If not then Landry most likely isn’t back. I’m sure for Mo to take this deal he was promised playing time going forward.Jose - Deuce - Landry was always an undersized trio and put lots of pressure on Mikal and OG to carry all of the 3/4 forward burden. Mo brings much needed balance there off the bench. But someone will have to concede a spot between Landry and Deuce.
Landry could theoretically take a hometown discount to stay but I think he gets a legit contract offer somewhere.
we can offer a legit contract...he doesnt need to take a discount. if we're going over the 2nd apron we can pay him whatever we want. there's no benefit to only going over a little, we are either going over or staying under. but staying under never made sense given this timeline, so I think Dolan just misspoke.
I keep saying this but I'm convinced we are signing Mitch for 2 years 40m, and Shamet for 2/20m... or something around those numbers.
I don’t think the Knicks want to go over second apron nor should they. It would make rebuilding 5 years from now literally impossible
there's really no affect 5 years from now. it's going to be nearly impossible to stay under.
This makes a lot of sense if Landry has a 2-3 year deal. and we do not have a 1st round pick next year.
and if KAT gives a small discount, say he starts at 55-57m, they can fall under the second apron with just deuce expiring and a lower KAT starting salary.
this is one reason why I would be disappointed if we trade or stash our 2 draft picks tomorrow. we wont have a lot of opportunities to add talent onto the roster that can improve. our timeline to compete is now to 4 years and we have 0 1st next year. we gotta draft the guys this year so that they'll be ready to contribute when we can't add any talent to the roster.
nycericanguy wrote:DLeethal wrote:I highly doubt Deuce, Landry, and Mo are all on the team next year. Landry was basically playing Mo’s future role as a bench wing. If Landry is back he slides to his natural 2 position and Deuce most likely gets traded for a pick or something. If not then Landry most likely isn’t back. I’m sure for Mo to take this deal he was promised playing time going forward.Jose - Deuce - Landry was always an undersized trio and put lots of pressure on Mikal and OG to carry all of the 3/4 forward burden. Mo brings much needed balance there off the bench. But someone will have to concede a spot between Landry and Deuce.
MO is versatile enough to even play small ball 5, and I doubt Mitch plays B2B's again. Maybe we even finally let Mikal sit and end that streak. Mikal playing 65 games a year going forward might be best for his career, especially with all these deep playoff runs.
Too much depth is a great problem to have. I remember we had RJ, IQ, Grimes, DDV, Hart, Deuce, Brunson... it all ends up working itself out though.
I agree but you also get to the point where you have too many guys. Like is Deuce really gonna get benched at this point? Just wouldn’t happen, we’d trade him before he became situational.
Mo should be a big minutes eater for us this year. Tons of backup 3/4 minutes and even some 5 if that’s the plan for him.
DLeethal wrote:nycericanguy wrote:DLeethal wrote:I highly doubt Deuce, Landry, and Mo are all on the team next year. Landry was basically playing Mo’s future role as a bench wing. If Landry is back he slides to his natural 2 position and Deuce most likely gets traded for a pick or something. If not then Landry most likely isn’t back. I’m sure for Mo to take this deal he was promised playing time going forward.Jose - Deuce - Landry was always an undersized trio and put lots of pressure on Mikal and OG to carry all of the 3/4 forward burden. Mo brings much needed balance there off the bench. But someone will have to concede a spot between Landry and Deuce.
MO is versatile enough to even play small ball 5, and I doubt Mitch plays B2B's again. Maybe we even finally let Mikal sit and end that streak. Mikal playing 65 games a year going forward might be best for his career, especially with all these deep playoff runs.
Too much depth is a great problem to have. I remember we had RJ, IQ, Grimes, DDV, Hart, Deuce, Brunson... it all ends up working itself out though.
I agree but you also get to the point where you have too many guys. Like is Deuce really gonna get benched at this point? Just wouldn’t happen, we’d trade him before he became situational.
Mo should be a big minutes eater for us this year. Tons of backup 3/4 minutes and even some 5 if that’s the plan for him.
deuce + #24
for
#15-20
aggo wrote:DLeethal wrote:nycericanguy wrote:DLeethal wrote:I highly doubt Deuce, Landry, and Mo are all on the team next year. Landry was basically playing Mo’s future role as a bench wing. If Landry is back he slides to his natural 2 position and Deuce most likely gets traded for a pick or something. If not then Landry most likely isn’t back. I’m sure for Mo to take this deal he was promised playing time going forward.Jose - Deuce - Landry was always an undersized trio and put lots of pressure on Mikal and OG to carry all of the 3/4 forward burden. Mo brings much needed balance there off the bench. But someone will have to concede a spot between Landry and Deuce.
MO is versatile enough to even play small ball 5, and I doubt Mitch plays B2B's again. Maybe we even finally let Mikal sit and end that streak. Mikal playing 65 games a year going forward might be best for his career, especially with all these deep playoff runs.
Too much depth is a great problem to have. I remember we had RJ, IQ, Grimes, DDV, Hart, Deuce, Brunson... it all ends up working itself out though.
I agree but you also get to the point where you have too many guys. Like is Deuce really gonna get benched at this point? Just wouldn’t happen, we’d trade him before he became situational.
Mo should be a big minutes eater for us this year. Tons of backup 3/4 minutes and even some 5 if that’s the plan for him.
deuce + #24
for
#15-20
Deuce + 31 should get us to 15-20?
aggo wrote:they can incrementally, 2-3m go over the second apron this year and just let deuce walk in FA
This makes a lot of sense if Landry has a 2-3 year deal. and we do not have a 1st round pick next year.
and if KAT gives a small discount, say he starts at 55-57m, they can fall under the second apron with just deuce expiring and a lower KAT starting salary.
this is one reason why I would be disappointed if we trade or stash our 2 draft picks tomorrow. we wont have a lot of opportunities to add talent onto the roster that can improve. our timeline to compete is now to 4 years and we have 0 1st next year. we gotta draft the guys this year so that they'll be ready to contribute when we can't add any talent to the roster.
If we trade our picks this year, we’ll trade them for picks. Maybe 31 this year turns into a protected 1st next year or 3 2nds
DLeethal wrote:nycericanguy wrote:DLeethal wrote:I highly doubt Deuce, Landry, and Mo are all on the team next year. Landry was basically playing Mo’s future role as a bench wing. If Landry is back he slides to his natural 2 position and Deuce most likely gets traded for a pick or something. If not then Landry most likely isn’t back. I’m sure for Mo to take this deal he was promised playing time going forward.Jose - Deuce - Landry was always an undersized trio and put lots of pressure on Mikal and OG to carry all of the 3/4 forward burden. Mo brings much needed balance there off the bench. But someone will have to concede a spot between Landry and Deuce.
MO is versatile enough to even play small ball 5, and I doubt Mitch plays B2B's again. Maybe we even finally let Mikal sit and end that streak. Mikal playing 65 games a year going forward might be best for his career, especially with all these deep playoff runs.
Too much depth is a great problem to have. I remember we had RJ, IQ, Grimes, DDV, Hart, Deuce, Brunson... it all ends up working itself out though.
I agree but you also get to the point where you have too many guys. Like is Deuce really gonna get benched at this point? Just wouldn’t happen, we’d trade him before he became situational.
Mo should be a big minutes eater for us this year. Tons of backup 3/4 minutes and even some 5 if that’s the plan for him.
injuries happen, but i'm also fine trading Deuce for a couple of future 2nd rounders if need be, maybe even a late 1st?
Philc1 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Now sign Huk & McCullar to early bird rights contracts for 3 years $7mil each.Gamble on them now as they can be rotational 2nd unit pieces for the low in 2 years if not next season.
Huk I can see developing into Mitch’s role in the rotation. He’s a 7 footer.
I think Huk could eventually take over the role of backup center, but Mitch was a special talent from the start. Challenging shots from anywhere on the floor, catching and throwing down alley oops.
PatCummings wrote:DLeethal wrote:I highly doubt Deuce, Landry, and Mo are all on the team next year. Landry was basically playing Mo’s future role as a bench wing. If Landry is back he slides to his natural 2 position and Deuce most likely gets traded for a pick or something. If not then Landry most likely isn’t back. I’m sure for Mo to take this deal he was promised playing time going forward.Jose - Deuce - Landry was always an undersized trio and put lots of pressure on Mikal and OG to carry all of the 3/4 forward burden. Mo brings much needed balance there off the bench. But someone will have to concede a spot between Landry and Deuce.
This is a great time for the Knicks to make improvements to the roster composition. I wouldn’t mind trading Deuce. His contract is small which is valuable to a contender. Since our roster is going to be stacked, why not use Deuce as the centerpiece to acquire an additional pick that lands us a 19 year old potential star like Ekuba Okorie who can take his time and develop. We need a PG who can lead the 2nd unit, play with JB and defend 1 and 2’s. He has a 6’8” wingspan and plays D - but he’s best known for his ridiculous first step and being one of the top scorers as a freshman. His team sucked so he didn’t have a ton of assists. If he stayed and the team improved he could’ve averaged 7 assists and been a top 10 pick next year
This is the last piece of the puzzle for us. Knicks players have historically had low trade value.
DLeethal wrote:nycericanguy wrote:DLeethal wrote:I highly doubt Deuce, Landry, and Mo are all on the team next year. Landry was basically playing Mo’s future role as a bench wing. If Landry is back he slides to his natural 2 position and Deuce most likely gets traded for a pick or something. If not then Landry most likely isn’t back. I’m sure for Mo to take this deal he was promised playing time going forward.Jose - Deuce - Landry was always an undersized trio and put lots of pressure on Mikal and OG to carry all of the 3/4 forward burden. Mo brings much needed balance there off the bench. But someone will have to concede a spot between Landry and Deuce.
MO is versatile enough to even play small ball 5, and I doubt Mitch plays B2B's again. Maybe we even finally let Mikal sit and end that streak. Mikal playing 65 games a year going forward might be best for his career, especially with all these deep playoff runs.
Too much depth is a great problem to have. I remember we had RJ, IQ, Grimes, DDV, Hart, Deuce, Brunson... it all ends up working itself out though.
I agree but you also get to the point where you have too many guys. Like is Deuce really gonna get benched at this point? Just wouldn’t happen, we’d trade him before he became situational.
Mo should be a big minutes eater for us this year. Tons of backup 3/4 minutes and even some 5 if that’s the plan for him.
He has flashed some point forward skills. Let him cook 😁
Rookie wrote:PatCummings wrote:DLeethal wrote:I highly doubt Deuce, Landry, and Mo are all on the team next year. Landry was basically playing Mo’s future role as a bench wing. If Landry is back he slides to his natural 2 position and Deuce most likely gets traded for a pick or something. If not then Landry most likely isn’t back. I’m sure for Mo to take this deal he was promised playing time going forward.Jose - Deuce - Landry was always an undersized trio and put lots of pressure on Mikal and OG to carry all of the 3/4 forward burden. Mo brings much needed balance there off the bench. But someone will have to concede a spot between Landry and Deuce.
This is a great time for the Knicks to make improvements to the roster composition. I wouldn’t mind trading Deuce. His contract is small which is valuable to a contender. Since our roster is going to be stacked, why not use Deuce as the centerpiece to acquire an additional pick that lands us a 19 year old potential star like Ekuba Okorie who can take his time and develop. We need a PG who can lead the 2nd unit, play with JB and defend 1 and 2’s. He has a 6’8” wingspan and plays D - but he’s best known for his ridiculous first step and being one of the top scorers as a freshman. His team sucked so he didn’t have a ton of assists. If he stayed and the team improved he could’ve averaged 7 assists and been a top 10 pick next year
This is the last piece of the puzzle for us. Knicks players have historically had low trade value.
Under this front office, things are different. Just look at Julius Randle. We raised his value and used him to get KAT. Today Minny had to trade pick 28 + Julius to get 33.
technomaster wrote:Philc1 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Now sign Huk & McCullar to early bird rights contracts for 3 years $7mil each.Gamble on them now as they can be rotational 2nd unit pieces for the low in 2 years if not next season.
Huk I can see developing into Mitch’s role in the rotation. He’s a 7 footer.
I think Huk could eventually take over the role of backup center, but Mitch was a special talent from the start. Challenging shots from anywhere on the floor, catching and throwing down alley oops.
Mitch had something like an insane 42” vertical when he came into the league. Huk is not Mitch but he’s not awful