BlueKnickers wrote:fitzfarm wrote:No way we do what we did without having inner knowledge that Mitch is coming back. With the draft
Shamet might be gone unless he signs another vet min deal
Clarkson might be back on a vet min
Jose might be back on his po
So loosing Shamet hurts, but nickel is a taller version . And Shamet still might come back if we blow it with Mitch but to me Shamet has always been a good bench player … a Stark’s like player who is a + player on both ends .
Shamet’s player profile is undervalued in today’s nba but also a necessity bench piece .
Huk will be back as a min contract player
So if we sign
Mitch
Clarkson
Jose
Shamet
Do we still have spots to fill?
you shouldn't expect Clarkson to be back
Salary cap issues aside, I think we had too much guard heavy bench last year, 4 guards plus Mitch. We need some additional length/height in the bench rotation, so I'm hoping/expecting that one of Deuce/Shamet/Clarkson gets replaced by Mo or some other SF/PF 6'8" or taller.
For that matter, I wouldn't complain if we upgraded Avocado while we're at it.
Panos wrote:BlueKnickers wrote:fitzfarm wrote:No way we do what we did without having inner knowledge that Mitch is coming back. With the draft
Shamet might be gone unless he signs another vet min deal
Clarkson might be back on a vet min
Jose might be back on his po
So loosing Shamet hurts, but nickel is a taller version . And Shamet still might come back if we blow it with Mitch but to me Shamet has always been a good bench player … a Stark’s like player who is a + player on both ends .
Shamet’s player profile is undervalued in today’s nba but also a necessity bench piece .
Huk will be back as a min contract player
So if we sign
Mitch
Clarkson
Jose
Shamet
Do we still have spots to fill?
you shouldn't expect Clarkson to be back
Salary cap issues aside, I think we had too much guard heavy bench last year, 4 guards plus Mitch. We need some additional length/height in the bench rotation, so I'm hoping/expecting that one of Deuce/Shamet/Clarkson gets replaced by Mo or some other SF/PF 6'8" or taller.
For that matter, I wouldn't complain if we upgraded Avocado while we're at it.
To answer your question, if all current contracts are not traded, we have 8 slots to fill by my count
I expect both Shamet and Clarkson to be gone
Big factor for all swing players is Mo is going to get minutes and this may skew the aggregated balance of minutes towards more frontcourt minutes as a whole
The Kayil pick now intrigues me, because he brings more size to our backcourt
As does McCullar at the same height
Yes, I'd trade Jose in a heartbeat, but they seem to be working on some kind of accommodation for him which would have to mean a lower salary next season, perhaps for more years.
In general, our backcourt should be getting bigger with a priority on ball handling and defense
completely forgot about KP, if he's a FA and you can give him the Mitch role... 15mpg, no B2B's... and we know he had an interest in coming back... Perhaps he can be had for $6m per year?
BlueKnickers wrote:nycericanguy wrote:completely forgot about KP, if he's a FA and you can give him the Mitch role... 15mpg, no B2B's... and we know he had an interest in coming back... Perhaps he can be had for $6m per year?
We can't afford him
I dont think KP will command a big contract at this point.
nycericanguy wrote:BlueKnickers wrote:nycericanguy wrote:completely forgot about KP, if he's a FA and you can give him the Mitch role... 15mpg, no B2B's... and we know he had an interest in coming back... Perhaps he can be had for $6m per year?
We can't afford him
I dont think KP will command a big contract at this point.
We can't afford to rely on him then. He's a lock to spend the majority of any season on IRL
Let Nickel take the Korver spot in rotation to give us that long ball option KP gives you
I don't trust KP's future ability to provide rim protection even at his height
BlueKnickers wrote:nycericanguy wrote:BlueKnickers wrote:nycericanguy wrote:completely forgot about KP, if he's a FA and you can give him the Mitch role... 15mpg, no B2B's... and we know he had an interest in coming back... Perhaps he can be had for $6m per year?
We can't afford him
I dont think KP will command a big contract at this point.
We can't afford to rely on him then. He's a lock to spend the majority of any season on IRL
Let Nickel take the Korver spot in rotation to give us that long ball option KP gives you
I don't trust KP's future ability to provide rim protection even at his height
I mean I'm not sure its much different than relying on Mitch? You aren't really "relying" on a guy that plays 15mpg and sits on B2B's... that guy is more of a luxury at that point.
Last 3 seasons
Games played
KP - 131
Mitch - 108
Minutes played
KP - 3,665
Mitch - 2,234
We all want Mitch back but with limited options we gotta think outside the box.
nycericanguy wrote:BlueKnickers wrote:nycericanguy wrote:BlueKnickers wrote:nycericanguy wrote:completely forgot about KP, if he's a FA and you can give him the Mitch role... 15mpg, no B2B's... and we know he had an interest in coming back... Perhaps he can be had for $6m per year?
We can't afford him
I dont think KP will command a big contract at this point.
We can't afford to rely on him then. He's a lock to spend the majority of any season on IRL
Let Nickel take the Korver spot in rotation to give us that long ball option KP gives you
I don't trust KP's future ability to provide rim protection even at his height
I mean I'm not sure its much different than relying on Mitch? You aren't really "relying" on a guy that plays 15mpg and sits on B2B's... that guy is more of a luxury at that point.
Last 3 seasons
Games played
KP - 131
Mitch - 108
Minutes played
KP - 3,665
Mitch - 2,234
We all want Mitch back but with limited options we gotta think outside the box.
Playoff minutes played
KP - 721
Mitch - 1,034
^^^^^
I like dadiet. He needs a defined role to get some rhythm.
nycericanguy wrote:BlueKnickers wrote:nycericanguy wrote:BlueKnickers wrote:nycericanguy wrote:completely forgot about KP, if he's a FA and you can give him the Mitch role... 15mpg, no B2B's... and we know he had an interest in coming back... Perhaps he can be had for $6m per year?
We can't afford him
I dont think KP will command a big contract at this point.
We can't afford to rely on him then. He's a lock to spend the majority of any season on IRL
Let Nickel take the Korver spot in rotation to give us that long ball option KP gives you
I don't trust KP's future ability to provide rim protection even at his height
I mean I'm not sure its much different than relying on Mitch? You aren't really "relying" on a guy that plays 15mpg and sits on B2B's... that guy is more of a luxury at that point.
Last 3 seasons
Games played
KP - 131
Mitch - 108
Minutes played
KP - 3,665
Mitch - 2,234
We all want Mitch back but with limited options we gotta think outside the box.
Well, Mitch is our beef in the middle. KP does not replace that.
KP is a stretch big which is not a pressing need with our shooters and KAT, the best shooting C in the league.
Rookie wrote:nycericanguy wrote:BlueKnickers wrote:nycericanguy wrote:BlueKnickers wrote:nycericanguy wrote:completely forgot about KP, if he's a FA and you can give him the Mitch role... 15mpg, no B2B's... and we know he had an interest in coming back... Perhaps he can be had for $6m per year?
We can't afford him
I dont think KP will command a big contract at this point.
We can't afford to rely on him then. He's a lock to spend the majority of any season on IRL
Let Nickel take the Korver spot in rotation to give us that long ball option KP gives you
I don't trust KP's future ability to provide rim protection even at his height
I mean I'm not sure its much different than relying on Mitch? You aren't really "relying" on a guy that plays 15mpg and sits on B2B's... that guy is more of a luxury at that point.
Last 3 seasons
Games played
KP - 131
Mitch - 108
Minutes played
KP - 3,665
Mitch - 2,234
We all want Mitch back but with limited options we gotta think outside the box.
Playoff minutes played
KP - 721
Mitch - 1,034
only thing that proves is Knicks have had long playoff runs. even adding that my point was KP has played alot more games and minutes.
BlueKnickers wrote:nycericanguy wrote:BlueKnickers wrote:nycericanguy wrote:BlueKnickers wrote:nycericanguy wrote:completely forgot about KP, if he's a FA and you can give him the Mitch role... 15mpg, no B2B's... and we know he had an interest in coming back... Perhaps he can be had for $6m per year?
We can't afford him
I dont think KP will command a big contract at this point.
We can't afford to rely on him then. He's a lock to spend the majority of any season on IRL
Let Nickel take the Korver spot in rotation to give us that long ball option KP gives you
I don't trust KP's future ability to provide rim protection even at his height
I mean I'm not sure its much different than relying on Mitch? You aren't really "relying" on a guy that plays 15mpg and sits on B2B's... that guy is more of a luxury at that point.
Last 3 seasons
Games played
KP - 131
Mitch - 108
Minutes played
KP - 3,665
Mitch - 2,234
We all want Mitch back but with limited options we gotta think outside the box.
Well, Mitch is our beef in the middle. KP does not replace that.
KP is a stretch big which is not a pressing need with our shooters and KAT, the best shooting C in the league.
They bring different things but alot of people can argue that shooting, spacing and more importantly FT shooting are just as valuable if not more.
we're talking about a 15mpg player here.
nycericanguy wrote:Rookie wrote:nycericanguy wrote:BlueKnickers wrote:nycericanguy wrote:BlueKnickers wrote:nycericanguy wrote:completely forgot about KP, if he's a FA and you can give him the Mitch role... 15mpg, no B2B's... and we know he had an interest in coming back... Perhaps he can be had for $6m per year?
We can't afford him
I dont think KP will command a big contract at this point.
We can't afford to rely on him then. He's a lock to spend the majority of any season on IRL
Let Nickel take the Korver spot in rotation to give us that long ball option KP gives you
I don't trust KP's future ability to provide rim protection even at his height
I mean I'm not sure its much different than relying on Mitch? You aren't really "relying" on a guy that plays 15mpg and sits on B2B's... that guy is more of a luxury at that point.
Last 3 seasons
Games played
KP - 131
Mitch - 108
Minutes played
KP - 3,665
Mitch - 2,234
We all want Mitch back but with limited options we gotta think outside the box.
Playoff minutes played
KP - 721
Mitch - 1,034
only thing that proves is Knicks have had long playoff runs. even adding that my point was KP has played alot more games and minutes.
Does your minutes played total account for KP being in the league 3 years longer than Mitch?. KP was drafted in 2015, Mitch in 2018. In terms of durability, Mitch is also 3 years younger and doesn’t have an ailment that causes fatigue limiting availability. It’s not just injuries, KP has a medical condition. There’s no guarantee it doesn’t flare up in the post season, just ask Boston about KP’s availability in the playoffs
nycericanguy wrote:BlueKnickers wrote:nycericanguy wrote:BlueKnickers wrote:nycericanguy wrote:BlueKnickers wrote:nycericanguy wrote:completely forgot about KP, if he's a FA and you can give him the Mitch role... 15mpg, no B2B's... and we know he had an interest in coming back... Perhaps he can be had for $6m per year?
We can't afford him
I dont think KP will command a big contract at this point.
We can't afford to rely on him then. He's a lock to spend the majority of any season on IRL
Let Nickel take the Korver spot in rotation to give us that long ball option KP gives you
I don't trust KP's future ability to provide rim protection even at his height
I mean I'm not sure its much different than relying on Mitch? You aren't really "relying" on a guy that plays 15mpg and sits on B2B's... that guy is more of a luxury at that point.
Last 3 seasons
Games played
KP - 131
Mitch - 108
Minutes played
KP - 3,665
Mitch - 2,234
We all want Mitch back but with limited options we gotta think outside the box.
Well, Mitch is our beef in the middle. KP does not replace that.
KP is a stretch big which is not a pressing need with our shooters and KAT, the best shooting C in the league.
They bring different things but alot of people can argue that shooting, spacing and more importantly FT shooting are just as valuable if not more.
we're talking about a 15mpg player here.
It really is not about that though. It is about positional need.
We don't need KP's services at this time. We do need size to bang in the paint for defense and rebounding at the C position. This is not something KP can provide even if his height generates some blocks.
It is not a KP vs. Mitch thing and KP is not a substitute for losing Mitch either.
I mean here is the weird thing is if they weren’t going to resign Mitch why on earth would they pass up on some of the centers in the draft like tarris reed jr that was right there at 24 ?
We know if we don’t resign Mitch who is the only guy we can sign to what ever contract …
We won’t have any money to sign a back up 5 other then a vet min contract .
So we are definitely signing Mitch esp if we want another chip.
Best writers don’t usually offer this stark an opinion
martin wrote:Best writers don’t usually offer this stark an opinion
I just don’t see this why would we do what we did in the draft to just see him walk? That would give our draft grade a F
The only thing other than mitch would be to trade McBride for a really good back up defensive stud 5. Like a Kessler
martin wrote:Best writers don’t usually offer this stark an opinion
The next time Bondy is right about anything will be the first time and I’ve been reading the post for atleast 35 years. He’s a lazy hack, was a lazy reporter and still is a lazy reporter. The only reason he still has a job is probably because they don’t pay him much.
fitzfarm wrote:martin wrote:Best writers don’t usually offer this stark an opinion
I just don’t see this why would we do what we did in the draft to just see him walk? That would give our draft grade a F
The only thing other than mitch would be to trade McBride for a really good back up defensive stud 5. Like a Kessler
Robinson’s agent wouldn’t be doing his job if he didn’t explore Mith’s FA value. Our FO wouldn’t be doing right by him if they didn't respect that. Just a bunch of noise from Bondy who is a scrub of a reporter trying to get clicks
