Knicks · Jordan Clarkson back (page 3)
Panos wrote:Chandler wrote:BlueKnickers wrote:Chandler wrote:BlueKnickers wrote:martin wrote:BlueKnickers wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:Swishfm3 wrote:Jordan Clarkson has become pretty big in the fashion since coming to NY. I think he realized the outside benefits sticking around NYC...but aside from that, he was an important and glad they managed to bring him back. Hope McCullar is next.I wouldn't be upset if the Knicks bring in Kevin Love. Depending on match up, can play both 4 and 5. Good rebounder, passer and an outside threat.
Would love to see McCullar next. Just feel like to add McCullar they’d need to move one of Kolek, Dadiet or have a lot of faith in KAT and Drummond being supremely healthy.
McCullar fills a big hole on this roster for a big two-way backcourt player, basically Hart's backup.
He's a guy who can shut down scorers, services currently only provided by Wingstop.
At a minimum, I'd like to see him given a two-way deal to keep him in the Knicks plans.
But it is still early days and both Deuce and Dadiet look like trade chips.
That would leave 2 or 3 slots for another center plus McCullar.
WILD CARD: Kayil is now coming to SL. If he blows people away, he could be one who makes the roster. In which case, he may crowd out McCullar.
Or expedite a bigger outgoing trade with Deuce/Kolek/GTA
Yes, exactly
It would fall under the recently established protocols of the Mo Doctrine whereby a sleeper agent that shows immediate signs of rapid development into a key rotation player gets re-prioritized in the FO's plans.
This was evidenced by Mo being the very first order of business in the off-season which also confirmed the Knicks did stash him in order to re-sign him.
If Jack Kayil immediately shows out in SL, only then does this trigger an additional backlog in the backcourt. If Kayil's upside is Mo'ish, then you make room for him.
Kayil is 20 years old and 6'3" so he might still add an inch or two.
The size of our backcourt shifted a little with Clarkson back at 6'5", but it is overall still a small backcourt.
I doubt they trade our Nuyorican good luck charm after giving him a multi year deal, so if the backcourt equation is adding another guard it may be Kolek as odd man out.
On the fence: Deuce, Dadiet, Kolek
Variables/Unknowns: Kayil, McCullar
Iirc Kayil is a bit short armed. I like what I saw but just noting. That measurement may have held down his draft stock some.
It has no bearing on his shooting form. And good elevation on his jumpers mitigates the risk of being blocked.
Interesting fact: T-Rex was the best shooter on the original Raptors line-up.
Also, while arm length helps with defense, footwork is the primary factor of defensive effectiveness. Watch how he moves in SL.
I wouldn't downplay reach at all. in literal terms per form you are correct but there are a millions things where extra reach helps. All that said, and I say this for all sports, brains are still the most underrated aspect of an athlete. Quick decisions, diagnosing plays, knowing your opponent, communicating effectively can make things faster than a bit of extra athleticism can
I am optimistic about this kid.
I'm not a buyer on this kid. I see sloppiness in ball handling, shot missing by a lot, and passing bad form. I would take a Mulligan on that pick.
Given that you also gave up on the Knicks early in what turned out to be a Championship season, this probably means the kid will turn out to be an All Star
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foosballnick wrote:Panos wrote:Chandler wrote:BlueKnickers wrote:Chandler wrote:BlueKnickers wrote:martin wrote:BlueKnickers wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:Swishfm3 wrote:Jordan Clarkson has become pretty big in the fashion since coming to NY. I think he realized the outside benefits sticking around NYC...but aside from that, he was an important and glad they managed to bring him back. Hope McCullar is next.I wouldn't be upset if the Knicks bring in Kevin Love. Depending on match up, can play both 4 and 5. Good rebounder, passer and an outside threat.
Would love to see McCullar next. Just feel like to add McCullar they’d need to move one of Kolek, Dadiet or have a lot of faith in KAT and Drummond being supremely healthy.
McCullar fills a big hole on this roster for a big two-way backcourt player, basically Hart's backup.
He's a guy who can shut down scorers, services currently only provided by Wingstop.
At a minimum, I'd like to see him given a two-way deal to keep him in the Knicks plans.
But it is still early days and both Deuce and Dadiet look like trade chips.
That would leave 2 or 3 slots for another center plus McCullar.
WILD CARD: Kayil is now coming to SL. If he blows people away, he could be one who makes the roster. In which case, he may crowd out McCullar.
Or expedite a bigger outgoing trade with Deuce/Kolek/GTA
Yes, exactly
It would fall under the recently established protocols of the Mo Doctrine whereby a sleeper agent that shows immediate signs of rapid development into a key rotation player gets re-prioritized in the FO's plans.
This was evidenced by Mo being the very first order of business in the off-season which also confirmed the Knicks did stash him in order to re-sign him.
If Jack Kayil immediately shows out in SL, only then does this trigger an additional backlog in the backcourt. If Kayil's upside is Mo'ish, then you make room for him.
Kayil is 20 years old and 6'3" so he might still add an inch or two.
The size of our backcourt shifted a little with Clarkson back at 6'5", but it is overall still a small backcourt.
I doubt they trade our Nuyorican good luck charm after giving him a multi year deal, so if the backcourt equation is adding another guard it may be Kolek as odd man out.
On the fence: Deuce, Dadiet, Kolek
Variables/Unknowns: Kayil, McCullar
Iirc Kayil is a bit short armed. I like what I saw but just noting. That measurement may have held down his draft stock some.
It has no bearing on his shooting form. And good elevation on his jumpers mitigates the risk of being blocked.
Interesting fact: T-Rex was the best shooter on the original Raptors line-up.
Also, while arm length helps with defense, footwork is the primary factor of defensive effectiveness. Watch how he moves in SL.
I wouldn't downplay reach at all. in literal terms per form you are correct but there are a millions things where extra reach helps. All that said, and I say this for all sports, brains are still the most underrated aspect of an athlete. Quick decisions, diagnosing plays, knowing your opponent, communicating effectively can make things faster than a bit of extra athleticism can
I am optimistic about this kid.
I'm not a buyer on this kid. I see sloppiness in ball handling, shot missing by a lot, and passing bad form. I would take a Mulligan on that pick.
Given that you also gave up on the Knicks early in what turned out to be a Championship season, this probably means the kid will turn out to be an All Star
From your lips to God's ears. I hope I'm wrong and he turns into Donovan Mitchell!
Panos wrote:foosballnick wrote:Panos wrote:Chandler wrote:BlueKnickers wrote:Chandler wrote:BlueKnickers wrote:martin wrote:BlueKnickers wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:Swishfm3 wrote:Jordan Clarkson has become pretty big in the fashion since coming to NY. I think he realized the outside benefits sticking around NYC...but aside from that, he was an important and glad they managed to bring him back. Hope McCullar is next.I wouldn't be upset if the Knicks bring in Kevin Love. Depending on match up, can play both 4 and 5. Good rebounder, passer and an outside threat.
Would love to see McCullar next. Just feel like to add McCullar they’d need to move one of Kolek, Dadiet or have a lot of faith in KAT and Drummond being supremely healthy.
McCullar fills a big hole on this roster for a big two-way backcourt player, basically Hart's backup.
He's a guy who can shut down scorers, services currently only provided by Wingstop.
At a minimum, I'd like to see him given a two-way deal to keep him in the Knicks plans.
But it is still early days and both Deuce and Dadiet look like trade chips.
That would leave 2 or 3 slots for another center plus McCullar.
WILD CARD: Kayil is now coming to SL. If he blows people away, he could be one who makes the roster. In which case, he may crowd out McCullar.
Or expedite a bigger outgoing trade with Deuce/Kolek/GTA
Yes, exactly
It would fall under the recently established protocols of the Mo Doctrine whereby a sleeper agent that shows immediate signs of rapid development into a key rotation player gets re-prioritized in the FO's plans.
This was evidenced by Mo being the very first order of business in the off-season which also confirmed the Knicks did stash him in order to re-sign him.
If Jack Kayil immediately shows out in SL, only then does this trigger an additional backlog in the backcourt. If Kayil's upside is Mo'ish, then you make room for him.
Kayil is 20 years old and 6'3" so he might still add an inch or two.
The size of our backcourt shifted a little with Clarkson back at 6'5", but it is overall still a small backcourt.
I doubt they trade our Nuyorican good luck charm after giving him a multi year deal, so if the backcourt equation is adding another guard it may be Kolek as odd man out.
On the fence: Deuce, Dadiet, Kolek
Variables/Unknowns: Kayil, McCullar
Iirc Kayil is a bit short armed. I like what I saw but just noting. That measurement may have held down his draft stock some.
It has no bearing on his shooting form. And good elevation on his jumpers mitigates the risk of being blocked.
Interesting fact: T-Rex was the best shooter on the original Raptors line-up.
Also, while arm length helps with defense, footwork is the primary factor of defensive effectiveness. Watch how he moves in SL.
I wouldn't downplay reach at all. in literal terms per form you are correct but there are a millions things where extra reach helps. All that said, and I say this for all sports, brains are still the most underrated aspect of an athlete. Quick decisions, diagnosing plays, knowing your opponent, communicating effectively can make things faster than a bit of extra athleticism can
I am optimistic about this kid.
I'm not a buyer on this kid. I see sloppiness in ball handling, shot missing by a lot, and passing bad form. I would take a Mulligan on that pick.
Given that you also gave up on the Knicks early in what turned out to be a Championship season, this probably means the kid will turn out to be an All Star
From your lips to God's ears. I hope I'm wrong and he turns into Donovan Mitchell!
2 games of SL and it's Mulligan time? 
Panos wrote:foosballnick wrote:Panos wrote:Chandler wrote:BlueKnickers wrote:Chandler wrote:BlueKnickers wrote:martin wrote:BlueKnickers wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:Swishfm3 wrote:Jordan Clarkson has become pretty big in the fashion since coming to NY. I think he realized the outside benefits sticking around NYC...but aside from that, he was an important and glad they managed to bring him back. Hope McCullar is next.I wouldn't be upset if the Knicks bring in Kevin Love. Depending on match up, can play both 4 and 5. Good rebounder, passer and an outside threat.
Would love to see McCullar next. Just feel like to add McCullar they’d need to move one of Kolek, Dadiet or have a lot of faith in KAT and Drummond being supremely healthy.
McCullar fills a big hole on this roster for a big two-way backcourt player, basically Hart's backup.
He's a guy who can shut down scorers, services currently only provided by Wingstop.
At a minimum, I'd like to see him given a two-way deal to keep him in the Knicks plans.
But it is still early days and both Deuce and Dadiet look like trade chips.
That would leave 2 or 3 slots for another center plus McCullar.
WILD CARD: Kayil is now coming to SL. If he blows people away, he could be one who makes the roster. In which case, he may crowd out McCullar.
Or expedite a bigger outgoing trade with Deuce/Kolek/GTA
Yes, exactly
It would fall under the recently established protocols of the Mo Doctrine whereby a sleeper agent that shows immediate signs of rapid development into a key rotation player gets re-prioritized in the FO's plans.
This was evidenced by Mo being the very first order of business in the off-season which also confirmed the Knicks did stash him in order to re-sign him.
If Jack Kayil immediately shows out in SL, only then does this trigger an additional backlog in the backcourt. If Kayil's upside is Mo'ish, then you make room for him.
Kayil is 20 years old and 6'3" so he might still add an inch or two.
The size of our backcourt shifted a little with Clarkson back at 6'5", but it is overall still a small backcourt.
I doubt they trade our Nuyorican good luck charm after giving him a multi year deal, so if the backcourt equation is adding another guard it may be Kolek as odd man out.
On the fence: Deuce, Dadiet, Kolek
Variables/Unknowns: Kayil, McCullar
Iirc Kayil is a bit short armed. I like what I saw but just noting. That measurement may have held down his draft stock some.
It has no bearing on his shooting form. And good elevation on his jumpers mitigates the risk of being blocked.
Interesting fact: T-Rex was the best shooter on the original Raptors line-up.
Also, while arm length helps with defense, footwork is the primary factor of defensive effectiveness. Watch how he moves in SL.
I wouldn't downplay reach at all. in literal terms per form you are correct but there are a millions things where extra reach helps. All that said, and I say this for all sports, brains are still the most underrated aspect of an athlete. Quick decisions, diagnosing plays, knowing your opponent, communicating effectively can make things faster than a bit of extra athleticism can
I am optimistic about this kid.
I'm not a buyer on this kid. I see sloppiness in ball handling, shot missing by a lot, and passing bad form. I would take a Mulligan on that pick.
Given that you also gave up on the Knicks early in what turned out to be a Championship season, this probably means the kid will turn out to be an All Star
From your lips to God's ears. I hope I'm wrong and he turns into Donovan Mitchell!
And get swept in the playoffs?
Maybe he’ll turn into CJ McCollum.
foosballnick wrote:Panos wrote:Chandler wrote:BlueKnickers wrote:Chandler wrote:BlueKnickers wrote:martin wrote:BlueKnickers wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:Swishfm3 wrote:Jordan Clarkson has become pretty big in the fashion since coming to NY. I think he realized the outside benefits sticking around NYC...but aside from that, he was an important and glad they managed to bring him back. Hope McCullar is next.I wouldn't be upset if the Knicks bring in Kevin Love. Depending on match up, can play both 4 and 5. Good rebounder, passer and an outside threat.
Would love to see McCullar next. Just feel like to add McCullar they’d need to move one of Kolek, Dadiet or have a lot of faith in KAT and Drummond being supremely healthy.
McCullar fills a big hole on this roster for a big two-way backcourt player, basically Hart's backup.
He's a guy who can shut down scorers, services currently only provided by Wingstop.
At a minimum, I'd like to see him given a two-way deal to keep him in the Knicks plans.
But it is still early days and both Deuce and Dadiet look like trade chips.
That would leave 2 or 3 slots for another center plus McCullar.
WILD CARD: Kayil is now coming to SL. If he blows people away, he could be one who makes the roster. In which case, he may crowd out McCullar.
Or expedite a bigger outgoing trade with Deuce/Kolek/GTA
Yes, exactly
It would fall under the recently established protocols of the Mo Doctrine whereby a sleeper agent that shows immediate signs of rapid development into a key rotation player gets re-prioritized in the FO's plans.
This was evidenced by Mo being the very first order of business in the off-season which also confirmed the Knicks did stash him in order to re-sign him.
If Jack Kayil immediately shows out in SL, only then does this trigger an additional backlog in the backcourt. If Kayil's upside is Mo'ish, then you make room for him.
Kayil is 20 years old and 6'3" so he might still add an inch or two.
The size of our backcourt shifted a little with Clarkson back at 6'5", but it is overall still a small backcourt.
I doubt they trade our Nuyorican good luck charm after giving him a multi year deal, so if the backcourt equation is adding another guard it may be Kolek as odd man out.
On the fence: Deuce, Dadiet, Kolek
Variables/Unknowns: Kayil, McCullar
Iirc Kayil is a bit short armed. I like what I saw but just noting. That measurement may have held down his draft stock some.
It has no bearing on his shooting form. And good elevation on his jumpers mitigates the risk of being blocked.
Interesting fact: T-Rex was the best shooter on the original Raptors line-up.
Also, while arm length helps with defense, footwork is the primary factor of defensive effectiveness. Watch how he moves in SL.
I wouldn't downplay reach at all. in literal terms per form you are correct but there are a millions things where extra reach helps. All that said, and I say this for all sports, brains are still the most underrated aspect of an athlete. Quick decisions, diagnosing plays, knowing your opponent, communicating effectively can make things faster than a bit of extra athleticism can
I am optimistic about this kid.
I'm not a buyer on this kid. I see sloppiness in ball handling, shot missing by a lot, and passing bad form. I would take a Mulligan on that pick.
Given that you also gave up on the Knicks early in what turned out to be a Championship season, this probably means the kid will turn out to be an All Star
I was right about Deuce being a stud, and Frank being a dud. Do I get credit for that?