Wang is getting killed again. How about this depressing quote?
"B/c of the cooporate environment, the ghosts tend to be more arroused by the jeans than the business suits. It's not as loud here."
How sad.
Time to send Wang to the minors
Wow. That's all I can say. This is crazy. You really have to start thinking about replacing Wang in the rotation with a guy like Phil Hughes. Guys are just teeing off on him right now and I'm not sure what the problem is. I mean is it really mechanical or is it a physical problem?? I was really interested to see today if it would just be a matter of Wang mixing in some other pitches -- in his first too starts I didn't remember seeing too many sliders and changeups. That still might be the case, but I can kinda see why Posada might be shying away from calling for anything else -- before Wang was pulled today, Posada called for maybe 1 or 2 sliders. The last one he threw was rifled into rightfield for a double by Sizemore and man, it just hung there - I think it was a 0-2, 1-2 pitch too. No bite, completely lifeless. This guy never had a slider like Joba's (few do) but it was always a good pitch for him, an out pitch even. Velocity down, erratic control, lifeless secondary pitches, and definite confidence problems at this point... Like I said, not sure what the root of the problem is, but you can't keep running this guy out there to fail like this trying to find out. Meanwhile another game that's over before it even began & we're in the bullpen way too damn early again. I mean we gonna see Swisher pitching again today or what? Send Wang down to work in the minors and gimmie Hughes up here for the interm with a shot to stick if he pitches well. IMMEDIATELY!!! We can't just be giving games away and gasing the bullpen like this anymore...
[Edited by - finestrg on 04-18-2009 5:48 PM]
Who the fuck is Claggett? Jesus, this team sucks major ass right now.
They got Claggett for Sheffield. There is no way in hell Wang makes his next turn. Call up Hughes, Kennedy or Aceves.
As far as the Juan Cruz talk- don't worry too much. Bruney+Coke will develop as the set up men and you're gonna see Mark Melancon very soon- and he is absolutely the real deal. Dave Robertson is ready for the majors too. Albaldejo can pitch and Ramirez is good in spots. I think they shouldn't use Marte in high leverage situations till he rights himself.
Wang is absolutely killing the pen right now though. I don't know that Edwar is gonna be able to give them many innings either.
buck and mccarver are grade A douchebags.
wang isn't making the next start. probably hughes gets the call up. i would also bring up aceves or tomko b/c we need a long reliever in there.
Posted by VDesai:
They got Claggett for Sheffield. There is no way in hell Wang makes his next turn. Call up Hughes, Kennedy or Aceves.
They mentioned Hughes before on the Fox telecast and I think they said he just won his last start either earlier today or last night. I think they also said Scranton Wilkes-Barre's undefeated so far so there's a good chance Hughes might be 2-0 already. I would think he's the logical choice to be called up and should be given the first crack.
They just mentioned Roy Oswalt a few minutes ago. I know he hasn't pitched well so far for the Astros but seems to at least be throwing the ball well enough from the few clips I've seen. We've talked about him before - you think he might be a trade option here? I know it's probably too early to be talking trades but we've got some problems here - Wang's been bad and needs to be sent down. Suppose we don't get what we need from Hughes & Kennedy again, then what? Betances and Brackman aren't ready. Al Aceves? I mean we're talking about replacing our #2 starter here. We need quality in that spot. Oswalt might wind up being an option for us. What a shame man - Wang was really supposed to be another #1 on this staff. His early-season meltdown here is so friggin' dissappointing. Poor Cash must be going out of his mind.
If I'm the Yankees I don't make a move on my rotation right now. There are too many good options in the minors available and plenty of time for Wang to right himself.
I'm not worried about the fact that Wang was penciled in as our no.2. The reality is Burnett is a top flight no.2, Pettite a very worthy no.3 and Joba should slot in nicely as a no.4. The question is whether they want to give Joba the innings- which is why wee need another guy up here. But I'd shocked if Hughes and Kennedy stunk again this time around. Kennedy is killing it right now- 16 K's vs. 2 walks in 12 innings and a 1.50 ERA. Hughes is only slightly worse. Neither really has anything left to accomplish in the minors. They just have to have thier confidence. Kennedy in particular is a command guy who walked a lot of guys when he was up last year. Now he's back to a sick K/BB ratio. I feel like its mental with him- if he comes up and hits his spots he will be a really good major league pitcher.
[Edited by - vdesai on 04-18-2009 6:00 PM]
we need to take wang out of the rotation and work out his problems. this is nuts what's going on with him. and i don't think eiland is helping.
I've yet to attend a game at the new Yankee stadium, but quite honestly, to me the place looks dreary. For 1.5 bil dollars I expected a little more character.
Posted by VDesai:
If I'm the Yankees I don't make a move on my rotation right now. There are too many good options in the minors available and plenty of time for Wang to right himself.
I'm not worried about the fact that Wang was penciled in as our no.2. The reality is Burnett is a top flight no.2, Pettite a very worthy no.4 and Joba should slot in nicely as a no.4. The question is whether they want to give Joba the innings- which is why wee need another guy up here. But I'd shocked if Hughes and Kennedy stunk again this time around. Kennedy is killing it right now- 16 K's vs. 2 walks in 12 innings and a 1.50 ERA. Hughes is only slightly worse. Neither really has anything left to accomplish in the minors. They just have to have thier confidence. Kennedy in particular is a command guy who walked a lot of guys when he was up last year. Now he's back to a sick K/BB ratio. I feel like its mental with him- if he comes up and hits his spots he will be a really good major league pitcher.
[Edited by - vdesai on 04-18-2009 5:50 PM]
I'm not sure how to feel about Kennedy and Hughes to be honest. True, there's really nothing left for them to accomplish at AAA but both still have a lot to prove IMO. Neither are lights-out guys and there's a big difference in AAA and the Majors, evident by both of their performances last year. Of the two, Hughes arguably has better stuff, though he hardly has the type of dominant arsenal we were all led to believe he had. I mean if Hughes, the best pitching prospect in baseball a few years ago, was really that dominant, why all of a sudden experiment with a cutter last year? I mean now all of a sudden the arsenal needs tinkering? Think about that for a sec. Now I heard he abandoned the cutter which he didn't seem comfortable with anyway (I remember him saying so after a home game against the Chi Sox last year where Pudge kept calling for it that night). Plus this year, the decision was made to bring back Pettitte and neither guy was seriously considered to make the team out of spring training anyway. Whatever, bottom line is both are really touch and feel guys when you get right down to it and I get the feeling that not too much is expected from either of them anymore. Hughes will undoubtedly get the first crack to replace Wang and we'll have to hope for the best. I just wish I could say I felt great about that...
When you look at Wang coming into the season, it was thought that with him healthy they could EXPECT at least 15 wins from him while HOPING for him to match his back-to-back 19-win seasons of a few years ago. So if you look at it in those terms, yeah, you're absolutely looking to replace a #2 starter here bro. Looking at the rotation, they would probably sign up for another 14 wins from Pettitte right now (though they'd hope he's much more efficient this year esp. down the stretch) and Joba, who knows man. He's still making the transition to being a full-time ML starter and there was talk already about closely monitoring him & limiting his innings this year before the season even began. Make no mistake, the bulk of the production was expected to come from CC & AJ (for the amount of money they spent I don't blame them here) and Wang, our own #1. Losing Wang now is a huge blow, bigger than you think. You're not talking about replacing just anyone - what we're talking about here is trying to replace a front-of-the-rotation starter & 15-19 wins. I'm not sure we have anyone in the minors right now who's capable of doing that. Hope I'm wrong...
[Edited by - finestrg on 04-18-2009 7:41 PM]
Posted by VDesai:
I've yet to attend a game at the new Yankee stadium, but quite honestly, to me the place looks dreary. For 1.5 bil dollars I expected a little more character.
i'm going tuesday so i will give you a report.
i went to citi field - and i like it alot. it's small and everything is close. you get a good view of the field from every seat.
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by VDesai:
I've yet to attend a game at the new Yankee stadium, but quite honestly, to me the place looks dreary. For 1.5 bil dollars I expected a little more character.
i'm going tuesday so i will give you a report.
i went to citi field - and i like it alot. it's small and everything is close. you get a good view of the field from every seat.
I hear the complete opposite. I heard you get a horrible view from a good number of seats.
Wow, Wang is really having issues. I know everyone thinks there is something phyiscally wrong with him, but I think it's mental. The guy has shown before that he's a bit fragile in that department (exhibit 1A - playoffs against Cleveland, before he got bombed he was trying to get out of the start by asking Mussina to take the ball.) I think when Wang's first start went terrible, it had an effect and when his 2nd start was even worse his psyche crashed. I would send him to the minors for a month and let him sort out his problems, but really, I don't think we can ever rely on this dude to pitch a big game for us in the playoffs. I don't think he has the makeup.
In related news... Phil Hughes so far in AAA - 2-0, 2.31era, 1.11whip, 12k's in 11.2 innings. Call em up, he's ready.
i'd rather have damon at DH and melky in left field than matsui if he's gonna be creaky and shit. honeslty, i'd rather go with the good defensive OF you'd have with at least melky and gardner and keep damon in the lineup than have matsui contribute nothing and damon absolutely sucking in the OF. his arm is pathetic i honeslty think i can throw farther than him, and while he's still fast on the bases and even in the OF, the guy plays like he's fucking drunk in the OF i mean what is going on here? regardless, he doesn't need to be fielding them with cabrera (or maybe a more legit corner OF if they were to show themselves on the trade market
if hughes and kennedy are both pitching so well, there's no reason for wang to make his next start. clearly the guy doesn't have what it takes right now.
Posted by nyk4ever:
Wow, Wang is really having issues. I know everyone thinks there is something phyiscally wrong with him, but I think it's mental.
Agreed; that's what I said a few days ago. He has not looked like an ACE pitcher ever since that playoff series in '07. I think he never mentally recovered.
We get to beat up on Carl Pavano today (hopefully)
Posted by Bonn1997:
We get to beat up on Carl Pavano today (hopefully)
Great; he's probably gonna pitch a perfect game against us! That would leave such a bad taste in my mouth!
Yanks couldn't hit Pavano at all today...now they are facing the CLE bullpen and have managed to cut the lead to 3-2 as Matsui finally came through. Only a couple innings left to make it happen.
