After 1 IP, Bruney's headed back to the DL
Posted by Bonn1997:
After 1 IP, Bruney's headed back to the DL
he said that he had pain when he came off the DL last time but didn't tell anyone. he tried to pitch through pain and it didn't work. i think girardi's pissed he wasn't up front with them.
bruney seems like kind of an idiot, always getting hurt and not letting onto things. just tell the damn truth and come back healthy.
regardless, hughes looked fantastic too and the offense looks great. melky may be streaky im hoping he is maturing as a hitter and can be an everyday player or at the very least a very nice bench OF to have on your squad. tex is mashing, arod is mashing, cano looks back to form after a horrid 08, i really like the swag of the team this yr.
the question about hughes is no longer about talent, clearly he has that. the question is can he stay healthy and can he stay focused. if he can do those things, there's no reason he can't be a top of the rotation starter.
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Allanfan20:
Why?
Why what? Why am I not criticizing him? Why am I making an observation?
[Edited by - bonn1997 on 05-23-2009 4:23 PM]
No, why would you have wanted to hold onto Irod, considering that Cerevelli has been doing well. When Posada and Molina come back healthy, we are completely set at the catcher spot, and we've been doing fine with Cerevelli and Cash anyway.
As for Melky, he batted .280 his first season and .272 or so his second season. Nothing great, but not bad at all. He was a good player those two seasons and I always saw him coming up with clutch hits.
Not every player has to bat over .300.
I look at OPS not batting average because I think batting average can often lead to false impressions. There's a huge OPS advantage for I-Rod over Cervelli. Last I looked it was almost 200 points. Cervelli never draws walks or gets extra base hits--so the batting average misleads people into thinking he's more productive than he really is. Many .240 hitters are more productive than he is. That said, I realize he's only 23 and definitely have optimism that he can one day be a good hitter but right now I-Rod is giving his team much more total production.
I already mentioned the poor OPS numbers for Melky each year until this one. I actually don't care at all about .300 but I don't want any players OPS's to be 100 points below the league average for their position.
[Edited by - bonn1997 on 05-26-2009 09:23 AM]
Posted by BigSm00th:
bruney seems like kind of an idiot, always getting hurt and not letting onto things. just tell the damn truth and come back healthy.
regardless, hughes looked fantastic too and the offense looks great. melky may be streaky im hoping he is maturing as a hitter and can be an everyday player or at the very least a very nice bench OF to have on your squad. tex is mashing, arod is mashing, cano looks back to form after a horrid 08, i really like the swag of the team this yr.
the question about hughes is no longer about talent, clearly he has that. the question is can he stay healthy and can he stay focused. if he can do those things, there's no reason he can't be a top of the rotation starter.
hughes is very intriguing. he starts off games throwing mostly fastballs, but he does such a great job of changing the speed on the them from 89-94 and throws them all over the plate that hitters can't sit back and wait on it. then, once he's in his groove, he throws that philthy lord charles 12 to 6 curve and he has their knees buckling. but this is what i like the most, he's gotten better in every start. he went from pitching into troubling and then losing it...to slowly pitching into trouble and then out of it. he hasn't been getting rattled the last 3 starts and yesterday, it kind of all came together. he will still get hit this season but this is how young pitchers grow. if he gets a 3rd pitch down, i think the guy can be very very good. he doesn't turn 23 till august.
as for melky...there's just something different about him this year. he's seeing alot of pitches. he had a great at bat against hamels on sunday where he was down 0-2 and then protected the plate looking for the curve or changeup and just kept fouling off fastballs. he worked it to 3-2 and then hit a pitch for a basehit to the opposite side of the field. that was a high caliber at bat when last season, he probably strikes out on that 3rd pitch.
biggest difference once arod came back:
RISP w/o arod: 66 of 268 (.246)
RISP w/ arod: 46 of 136 (.338)
Posted by Bonn1997:
I look at OPS not batting average because I think batting average can often lead to false impressions. There's a huge OPS advantage for I-Rod over Cervelli. Last I looked it was almost 200 points. Cervelli never draws walks or gets extra base hits--so the batting average misleads people into thinking he's more productive than he really is. Many .240 hitters are more productive than he is. That said, I realize he's only 23 and definitely have optimism that he can one day be a good hitter but right now I-Rod is giving his team much more total production.
I already mentioned the poor OPS numbers for Melky each year until this one. I actually don't care at all about .300 but I don't want any players OPS's to be 100 points below the league average for their position.
[Edited by - bonn1997 on 05-26-2009 09:23 AM]
Bonn, it's cervellis first year in the league, I believe. If not, he has very little experience. Most young players aren't going to come in and be so fine tuned like that.
Same thing with Melky. I don't care what other players do to be honest, so I don't believe in comparing him to other players. I care what he does. And what I saw in Melky the 2 seasons before last was a young energetic guy who could get a hit or 2 a game, run the bases, play good defense, throw a rocket and be an improving player who can maybe be one of the better players in the league, in the future.
Just one more of those cases where I just don't look at stats. They rarely tell the story, especially in sports, in my humblest of opinions.
And there's no way I'd rather let Ivan hit than ruin Cervellis progress, especially considering that we're winning already. Why fix something that ain't broke?
Posted by Allanfan20:
And there's no way I'd rather let Ivan hit than ruin Cervellis progress, especially considering that we're winning already. Why fix something that ain't broke?
Well we're in third place still. Let's not get ahead of ourselves by saying we've accomplished any serious winning this year. I've LOVED this recent stretch. It's made me much more excited about the season. But I've seen plenty of teams have great stretches and still miss or exit quickly in the playoffs.
Catching: To me it's a question of who I'd rather have as the backup C in a world series game or as the everyday C if Posada has another injury. Are we a rebuilding team (in which case I'd agree on Cervelli) or a win-now team? For a ROOKIE, Melky played well--no doubt--and that gave me optimism at the time about him. But you HAVE to compare a player to what the MLB average for that position is if you want to make good decisions as a GM IMO. The average for that position tells you how easy it would be to replace your current player with a superior one at the position. For example, Cano's life time OPS (a little over .800) indicates that he's a slightly above average MLB hitter. However, when you compare him to other 2nd baseman, you see that it would be quite hard to replace him with a superior hitter because 2nd base is not a position with a lot of good hitters. The reverse happens for outfielders--there are tons of good hitters available. So you've gotta be a particularly good hitter to justify playing everyday rather than being replaced. This is the first of Melky's four seasons in which he's met that standard IMO.
stubhub prices are now up for both yankees and mets. i bet the teams bought their own tickets and are setting the market for stubhub and walk up sales. too funny.
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by BigSm00th:
bruney seems like kind of an idiot, always getting hurt and not letting onto things. just tell the damn truth and come back healthy.
regardless, hughes looked fantastic too and the offense looks great. melky may be streaky im hoping he is maturing as a hitter and can be an everyday player or at the very least a very nice bench OF to have on your squad. tex is mashing, arod is mashing, cano looks back to form after a horrid 08, i really like the swag of the team this yr.
the question about hughes is no longer about talent, clearly he has that. the question is can he stay healthy and can he stay focused. if he can do those things, there's no reason he can't be a top of the rotation starter.
hughes is very intriguing. he starts off games throwing mostly fastballs, but he does such a great job of changing the speed on the them from 89-94 and throws them all over the plate that hitters can't sit back and wait on it. then, once he's in his groove, he throws that philthy lord charles 12 to 6 curve and he has their knees buckling. but this is what i like the most, he's gotten better in every start. he went from pitching into troubling and then losing it...to slowly pitching into trouble and then out of it. he hasn't been getting rattled the last 3 starts and yesterday, it kind of all came together. he will still get hit this season but this is how young pitchers grow. if he gets a 3rd pitch down, i think the guy can be very very good. he doesn't turn 23 till august.
as for melky...there's just something different about him this year. he's seeing alot of pitches. he had a great at bat against hamels on sunday where he was down 0-2 and then protected the plate looking for the curve or changeup and just kept fouling off fastballs. he worked it to 3-2 and then hit a pitch for a basehit to the opposite side of the field. that was a high caliber at bat when last season, he probably strikes out on that 3rd pitch.
biggest difference once arod came back:
RISP w/o arod: 66 of 268 (.246)
RISP w/ arod: 46 of 136 (.338)
nice start for Hughes, he seems to pitch well vs. TEX, he almost no-hit them his rookie season too... i think when i see him come up big vs. BOS i'll feel a lot better about the kid... he's definitely got talent but he's still too inconsistent, which can a factor of his young age, but as we've seen w/AJB it may not be necessarily... his success is very much predicated on him locating his fastball & getting that late pop & movement that he sometimes has a problem with from start to start... i still think a changeup would do wonders for him cuz it would keep hitters from timing his fastball & give them a different look from his curve.
i agree w/u on Melky, the kid is taking a much better approach at the plate this season & not trying to hit a HR everytime he gets up to bat & pull everything... he's not afraid to work deep into the count & he's taking the ball up through the middle & the opposite way a lot more it seems... Cano's newfound determination to work on his game this offseason may have rubbed off on him too... both those guys are having much better AB's this year compared to last year... great job by Kevin Long working w/these guys.
[Edited by - TMS on 05-26-2009 1:22 PM]
tough loss tonight, had plenty of hits but didn't get the big hit when they needed it... Joba struggled tonight, gave up 3 ER with 4 walks in only 4 innings pitched is not a good statline at all... Aceves didn't do any better obviously in relief but he's been so good of late i'll give him a pass... the hitters had plenty of opportunities to score runs but they couldn't do it, i place this loss on the offense more than on the pitching... good news is we're in 2nd in the AL East now just a game behind BOS for 1st place.
didn't understand why CMW didn't get into the game yesterday unless girardi doesn't have confidence in him...
I wouldn't have much confidence in him. Can't blame Girardi there.
is it possible to just put nick swisher out of his misery? the guy is in a 6 week long slump...
Posted by djsunyc:
didn't understand why CMW didn't get into the game yesterday unless girardi doesn't have confidence in him...
I think you're gonna see Wang starting again real soon. Was listening to Francesa yesterday on my way to work talk about the state of the pitching staff and I gotta say I agree with him - Joba needs to go back to the pen. I was a big supporter of Joba being a starter (I thought we'd wind up seeing another Justin Verlander eventually) but that doesn't seem to be the case. Francesa called Joba "a 5 inning starter" and for the most part I think that's pretty accurate. He continued by saying Joba going 5 or so innings once a week, leaving in a tie game or even behind at times, is a complete waste compared to having him available 4 or 5 games a week where he'd be able to have a positive affect on ALL those games late in the ballgame... With Wang ready to go and Hughes pitching a lot better now (for whatever reason, Hughes' velocity is a lot better and more consistent now than the last couple of years), we would put ourselves in position to win A LOT of games and keep winning consistently if Joba's around for the 7th & 8th innings. With Wang back looking healthy (he managed to crank it up to 95 mph in relief of Burnett in that 1st game against the Phillies) he'll be back in the rotation and he's earned it (19 game winner 2 years in a row for us before last year) and with Hughes coming off the solid back-to-back starts against the Os and now Texas, he's not going anywhere (Hughes isn't suited for the bullpen and he has nothing left to accomplish in AAA), Joba now needs to resume his late inning relief duty where he went max effort everytime out for 20-30 pitches and was dominant. Francesa was saying that that's the only way to make it work with all 3 pitchers now. And he's right. With Bruney out indefinitely, Wang back and Hughes pitching well, I really don't see any other alternative. Joba goes back to being a set-up man for now and eventually takes over the closer role when Mo packs it in. End of story. That's 100% the way to go now. If they did that and Joba rediscovers his late inning dominance, I betcha that would result in another 15-20 wins this season from here on in, maybe more...
[Edited by - finestrg on 05-27-2009 12:08 PM]
joba's a 5 inning starter based purely on pitch/innings limit. this is how they want to build him up for down the road. putting him into the pen right now is somewhat shortsighted. he put up a stinker last night, but he still has the skillset to pitch as a big time starter. francessa, who is a buffoon, is being really shortsighted and pompous on this topic. andy can't pitch forever. there's no guarantee hughes can pitch at a high level. and what if wang becomes a lost cause? where are we getting starters from? you build up joba now so he can be a 6/7 inning starter for the next 10 years. yanks are trying to rebuild and win now at the same time. it's tough to do but i see what they're doing with hughes + joba. but alot of people don't agree with it.
jon lester is 3-5 with a 6.07 era and a 1.60 whip with 5.2 ip/game. should they move him to the bullpen?
[Edited by - djsunyc on 05-27-2009 11:55 AM]
Posted by djsunyc:
joba's a 5 inning starter based purely on pitch/innings limit. this is how they want to build him up for down the road. putting him into the pen right now is somewhat shortsighted. he put up a stinker last night, but he still has the skillset to pitch as a big time starter. francessa, who is a buffoon, is being really shortsighted and pompous on this topic. andy can't pitch forever. there's no guarantee hughes can pitch at a high level. and what if wang becomes a lost cause? where are we getting starters from? you build up joba now so he can be a 6/7 inning starter for the next 10 years. yanks are trying to rebuild and win now at the same time. it's tough to do but i see what they're doing with hughes + joba. but alot of people don't agree with it.
jon lester is 3-5 with a 6.07 era and a 1.60 whip with 5.2 ip/game. should they move him to the bullpen?
[Edited by - djsunyc on 05-27-2009 11:55 AM]
One thing's sure: You don't change Joba's role every three months. They've already made it clear they're trying him as a starter. Unless things were an utter disaster, I'd give him at least 1 to 2 full seasons in the role before making any changes.
Posted by djsunyc:
is it possible to just put nick swisher out of his misery? the guy is in a 6 week long slump...
Now that would be impatient. You can't change a guy's role every time he hits a slump. Then you'll miss out on all the good streaks too. Who are you gonna replace him with? Do you have a clearly better player in mind?
[Edited by - bonn1997 on 05-27-2009 2:52 PM]
The Tex signing is paying HUGE dividends--both in the field and at the plate. This guy is simply awesome.
