From looking at all the reports, I get the impression Wang's gonna miss the rest of the season with a shoulder injury. In the past 12 months, he's been on the DL for foot, hip, and shoulder injuries.
Posted by Bonn1997:
From looking at all the reports, I get the impression Wang's gonna miss the rest of the season with a shoulder injury. In the past 12 months, he's been on the DL for foot, hip, and shoulder injuries.
Well he's supposedly seeing a guy named Dr. James Andrews. Apparently that means it's probably more on the worst case scenario side.
Sucks.
Oh, and to the people that say we don't need another starting pitcher. Lets say Joba continues to play like he has the past two starts. His innings limits may very well only allow him another 5 starts or something close to that.
That also sucks.
Posted by BigSm00th:
i imagine the yankees will stay pat with the pitchers pitching the way they are. joba looks great post break, pitching with real fire. burnett and CC are both giving us what was paid for, and andy still looks sharp. i doubt they'll package promising guys to get a 5th starter. give the innings to whoever's ready, mitre looked fine last time!
I think we've seen a big enough sample from Andy over the past 1 1/2 seasons to say that he's simply a mid to upper 4s ERA guy at this stage in his career. That's good enough to be an average (but not a good) 5th starter. Right now, he's probably our 4th starter with Joba tentatively holding the #3 spot, though.
[Edited by - bonn1997 on 07-25-2009 12:05 PM]
If there's any way to get Holliday without giving up Joba or Hughes, I'd do it. Cano + Gardner + Aceves (who could probably be a #3 starter for them) + 1 (or maybe 2) high minor league prospect could be offered. It probably wouldn't be enough though. Holliday would push us from being "one of the contenders" to the status we had in the late 90's as "the top contender." And I believe we could stay as "the top contender" for a 3 to 4 year window like we had in the late 90s. Yeah, it would suck to give that much talent to a division rival but they wouldn't have the pitching to be a serious threat to us.
[Edited by - bonn1997 on 07-25-2009 12:14 PM]
Oh well, we had to lose one eventually.
Posted by GKFv2:
Oh well, we had to lose one eventually.
It's the way we lost this one that bothers me. Pettitte pitched his ass off then this subpar bullpen just opens up the flood gates & gives it away. Andy deserved better - he's been pitching so much better lately now that he's re-committed to throwing his cutter once again. No doubt he a little older now & it's a taxing pitch on his arm/elbow and that's probably why he's shied away from it the past couple of seasons (in his younger days he used to throw that pitch at least 75% of the time, probably more), but for him to pitch at optimum performance, he needs to throw it and to his credit he has (gotta credit Molina as well for calling for it more the past two starts). That's his outpitch and it's been great for him throughout his career... Anyway, this is one they should take a good look at and learn from. Very simple for me - not trying to knock Ace, he's been great for us, but in that situation today, clearly we needed a middle-inning STOPPER when Andy departed, not a long man. Ace almost got out of it but almost isn't good enough right there. Not acceptable. Not now, in a pennant race with a couple of weeks to go before the deadline. Aceves' role is easy to define for me - if we're down 6-0, 7-0 in the first few innings and Joe's forced to pull a starter, you call on a guy like Aceves to give you some quality length to allow the offense to get you back in the game. That's his role. Today we needed a shutdown guy right there. Under normal circumstances, Hughes would've come in there to put the fire out but I guess he was unavailable after just throwing his 2 inning save. Bruney's got the stuff to be the guy there but he's just not right yet for whatever reason (this guy's pitching with no confidence at all) and you can tell that Joe just doesn't have the feel to throw him out there in that spot right now. And who can blame him? Robertson and Melancon? Same deal. Big problem fellas. Unless we can come up with a better option, it needs to be Joba AND Hughes setting up for Mariano sometime soon. And the sooner they do it, the better - give Joba some time to get a feel for that type of work again (for the Joba I've seen the past couple of starts, a guy pitching with his mojo again, it won't be a problem). At least one of those two needs to be available for 7th/8th inning pressure shutdown work every game. I mean they just came out and said they're looking into curbing Joba's innings sometime soon anyway. Do it now - go get another starter and return Joba to the pen. Simple solution. You go about this any other way and it's curtains come playoff time, maybe we don't even make it to the playoffs and then what? Poor Girardi's left holding the bag? Help him out Cash!!!!!
[Edited by - finestrg on 07-26-2009 01:34 AM]
Aceves had one bad game. He's done fine for us.
If we're going to blame our bullpen, we are going to have to blame Andy too for this game, but not being able to hold his own that 7th inning, or Girardi for not taking him out. And we're gonna have to blame the offense for not producing today and blame the As starting pitcher for pitching lights out.
Aceves was part of the reason we lost. Not the reason.
Posted by Allanfan20:
Aceves had one bad game. He's done fine for us.
If we're going to blame our bullpen, we are going to have to blame Andy too for this game, but not being able to hold his own that 7th inning, or Girardi for not taking him out. And we're gonna have to blame the offense for not producing today and blame the As starting pitcher for pitching lights out.
Aceves was part of the reason we lost. Not the reason.
Not looking to blame anyone buddy, believe me. I'm looking to win the pennant and eventually a World Series. That's it. We're too close and have too good a club to think any other way. If there's things I see that can make us better and give us a better shot at reaching those goals, I'm gonna voice an opinion and I'd expect you to do the same. Not blaming Ace for the loss today at all - he did fail when called upon but that's a tough spot for a long reliever right there, even a good one like him. To me that's just not his role. Like I said before, we need 1 more reliable shutdown arm in that pen in addition to Hughes and Mariano, and if that wasn't made crystal clear after yesterday's loss I don't know what to tell ya. The easiest solution would be to put Joba there and it looks like that may happen eventually. If it does, he needs to then be replaced with a decent starting pitcher, a bonafide #3 type or better if possible. Cash is out there looking. I mean he just inquired about Cliff Lee. I'd love to add Erik Bedard but there's plenty of other quality starters out there that could fit the bill and allow us to change Joba's role - Washburn, Arroyo, Oswalt... Only a few more days left 'til the deadline. We'll see what happens. Cash is gonna make a nice move here soon, I can feel it..
[Edited by - finestrg on 07-26-2009 03:41 AM]
adding a reliable veteran arm to the rotation solves our bullpen issues cuz it puts Joba into the setup role again... u only need a 4 man rotation for playoffs anyway... i think a move gets done, whether it's for Washburn, Oswalt, Bedard or some other name we haven't heard mentioned in rumors... i don't see Halladay in the cards at all tho.
Gardner on the DL but Joe G says we won't bring up Austin Jackson, which sucks. Dunno if they'll bring up Duncan as they'll have to open a spot on the 40 man
And now Cano with a terrific turn at 2nd on the DP, taking the throw and then immediately releasing accurately to first with the runner bearing down on him...
Why did Joe take out Mitre after 5 innings?
Yanks strike right back, but Jeter getting picked off at first may have cost them a run as Damon followed up w/ a double
Joe G giving the game away here by going to Bruney with 1st and 3rd 1 out in the 8th instead of leaving in Hughes or putting in Rivera
Yeah he proved me wrong there, but now Mo comes in anyway
Phil Hughes looks like getting out there every day and not having the time to beat himself up over his mistakes has made a world of difference. Why don't the Yanks just make this their progression strategy--make the young guys start out of the pen? Then there'll always be room on the club for a promising pitcher without the weight of the world being on his shoulders. Worked for Joba and Hughes and maybe it would have worked for Papelbon, etc.
Look at Adam Wainrwright right now
If we had gone 4-5 (not even .500!) against the Red Sox this year, we'd have a 10 1/2 game lead over them right now!
