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TMS @ 8/12/2009 11:05 PM
ROBBIE CANO DON'TCHA KNOW!!!
TMS @ 8/14/2009 12:20 PM
the Mariners got some of this last night

djsunyc @ 8/14/2009 2:59 PM
http://webusers.npl.illinois.edu/~a-nath...

The "Carry" of a Fly Ball:
An Analysis of MLB Home Runs in Early 2009
There was much discussion in the early weeks of the 2009 MLB season about the large number of home runs hit in the new Yankee Stadium, leading to speculation that many of the home runs were aided by strong wind currents. Or, in the lingo of baseball, the ball was "carrying well" in Yankee Stadium. All this discussion stimulated me to ask the question, "Just what is meant by 'carrying well'?" Of course, we all have an intuitive notion of what this means. We observe a fly ball coming off the bat and have an expectation of how far the ball will travel. If the ball traveled farther than this expectation, we say that the ball carried well. And of course, vice versa. But can we come up with a more precise, less intuitive measure of "carry"? It is precisely this issue that led to the analysis presented in this report.

The analysis begins by recognizing that in a vacuum, all balls hit with the same initial velocity and launch angle will travel the same distance. In reality, the ball will travel more or less than that, depending on the influence of the aerodynamic effects of drag and the Magnus force, including any influence of wind. One way to define the "carry" is the ratio of the actual distance to the distance it would have traveled in a vacuum. An example is shown in the plot below.



In this example, the ball is hit from a height of 3 ft above the ground with an initial velocity of 100 mph, a launch angle of 29 degrees, and a backspin of 2500 rpm, all values more or less representative of home runs in MLB. The blue curve shows the actual trajectory, where the height above ground level is plotted against the horizontal distance from home plate. The ball hits ground level at a distance of D=397 ft from home plate. The red curve shows the trajectory expected with the same initial velocity and launch angle if the ball traveled in a vacuum. The ball hits ground level at a distance of D0 = 571 ft from home plate. In this case, the "carry" R = D/D0 = 397/571 = 0.695. That is, the aerodynamic effect of lift and drag result in a distance that is about 70% of the vacuum distance. This calculation was done for an air density appropriate for sea level and 60oF. At a higher temperature or a higher altitude, the air density is lower and the expected distance D and the carry R are higher. Of course, the opposite is true at lower temperature. If the wind were blowing directly out at 5 mph, D would increase to 413 ft, so that R would increase by 4% to 0.723. If the wind were blowing directly in at 5 mph, D would decrease to 380 ft, so that R would decrease by 5% to 0.665.

With that background, let's now discuss the data, which consists of 819 home runs hit during the first six weeks of the 2009 season. The data consists of two parts. First is the so-called hitf/x data, courtesy of the folks at Sportvision. These data are an enhancement to the pitchf/x system which uses permanently installed video cameras in each MLB park to track the pitched baseball. The very same cameras can also be used to track the initial part of the batted-ball trajectory, from which the initital batted-ball velocity, vertical launch angle, and horizontal spray angle can be determined. Second is the hittracker data, courtesy of Greg Rybarczyk who measures the landing point and flight time of every home run hit in MLB. Combining both sets of data, an excellent approximation to the full trajectory can be determined using techniques identical to my analysis of Barry Bonds' 756th home run. In particular, the landing point determined by hittracker can be extrapolated to ground level with excellent precision, thereby determining D. The vacuum distance D0 can easily be calculated given the initial conditions determined by hitf/x. Therefore, for each of the 819 home runs, the ratio R = D/D0 can be determined and is shown in the plots below. By the way, this type of analysis could be applied to any fly ball for which the necessary information exists. I have restricted the analysis to home runs, since those are the only fly balls for which landing point and flight time are readily available.



The left plot is a scatterplot of all 819 values of R, plotted versus the initial vertical velocity vz0, in units of ft/s. The data show a clear downward trend as vz0 increases, with some scatter about this average trend. The downward trend is a feature that is borne out by numerical simulations of typical fly ball trajectories. What is happening is that with a larger initial vertical velocity, the ball is in the air longer so that the drag force acts over a longer period of time, reducing the distance D. The right plot is a so-called profile plot of R vs. vz0. It is obtained from the left plot by dividing vz0 into 4 ft/s buckets, then calculating the average value of R for each of those buckets. The dashed curve is a simple polynomial fit to the observed values and represents the behavior of R averaged over all ball parks. We will refer to it as RN. The next step in the analysis is to consider home runs in each individual ball park. For each such home run, the value of R is determined, then normalized by dividing by the value of RN appropriate for the vz0 bucket. Finally, all values of R/RN for that particular ball park are averaged together to obtain a quantity I refer to as the "normalized carry" for that park. By its very construction, the average of the normalized carry over all ball parks is necessarily one. A value of normalized carry greater than one means that the ball carries better than average; a value less than one means that the ball carries worse than average. The normalized carry for each ball park is shown in the plot below, arranged in ascending order of carry. The average value of 1.00 is indicated by the red horizontal line. Standard errors in the mean values are indicated by the flags.



The striking thing about the plot is that Denver is head and shoulders above all the other ball parks, with a carry about 7.5% larger than average. Roughly speaking this corresponds to an extra 30 ft on a home run relative to the average. This result quantifies the expected additional carry in Denver based on the high altitude. On the opposite end of the spectrum is Cleveland, which has a carry about 4% lower than the average. Finally, the new Yankee Stadium has a carry about 2% below average. If home runs there were significantly aided by the wind, one might expect an above average carry. The fact that the carry is below average suggests that there is no evidence in the data analyzed that the baseball carries any better than average in the new Yankee Stadium. Indeed, only five ball parks have a lower normalized carry than Yankee Stadium.

Rather than look at averages over all home runs hit in a given ball park, it is also interesting to look at the distribution of normalized carry for that particular park. The distributions for Texas, Denver, Cleveland, and the new Yankee Stadium are shown in the figure below, along with the mean value for each park. For reference, a red vertical line is drawn at the value 1.00, the average over all parks. Interestingly, nearly every home run hit in Cleveland has a normalized carry below 1.00. The opposite is true in Denver, with the normalized carry being larger than 1.00 for nearly every home run. The distribution in Texas is broad but with a mean at about 1.02. In Yankee Stadium, the distribution is peaked close to 1.00, with a secondary peak significantly below one (indicating poor carry) and a small handful of home runs (4) between 1.05 and 1.10 (indicating better than average carry). Once again, we conclude that there is no strong evidence in these data that the baseball carries any better than average in the new Yankee Stadium.



The primary purpose of this report has been to quantify the notion of "carry" and to estimate the carry the different parks. The carry has to do with atmospheric effects and not with other factors, such as the dimensions of the park. On the other hand, one can ask a different question: "What is the relative ease of hitting home runs in the different parks?" The answer to that question depends both on the atmospheric effects and on the park dimensions. One way to characterize the relative ease of hitting home runs is by the mean initial velocity of the ball as it leaves the bat for home runs, v0. The smaller the value of v0, the easier it is to hit a home run; and, of course, vice versa. So, I have used the hitf/x data to find the mean v0 for each MLB park and have plotted them in the figure below, in ascending order and with error flags as in the carry plot. The horizontal red line is the MLB average, 101.1 mph.



So, what does such a plot teach us? The clear winners (i.e., the easiest places to hit home runs) are Denver and Boston at just under 99 mph, and the clear losers are Atlanta and Arizona at about 103 mph. The spread between winners and losers is about 4 mph, corresponding to a distance of about 20 ft. Note that Yankee Stadium is in the "winner" category, with only five parks having a smaller mean v0. This result, when combined with the below-average carry in Yankee Stadium, seems to suggest that the large number of home runs there are due to close fences rather than abnormal atmospheric effects. At some point, I will look at home run statistics in these parks to see how well they correlate with v0.

As remarked earlier, all the data in this analysis come from the early part of the 2009 season. As more hitf/x and hittracker data become available, this analysis will be extended. It will be particularly interesting to see the expected seasonal effects that reduce the air drag with the warmer summer temperatures and therefore increase the carry. Moreover, with sufficient data it will be possible to slice things further, such as looking for day-night effects or whether the carry depends on the spray angle, as might be expected if there are directional wind currents.

It is a pleasure to acknowledge the assistance of Marv White, Greg Moore, and the entire gang at Sportvision for providing the hitf/x data and Greg Rybarczyk for providing the hittracker data and for keeping me honest.
jimimou @ 8/14/2009 3:58 PM
^^^are you serious...WTF - can i get a translation for a 4th grader's understanding please....
GKFv2 @ 8/15/2009 1:44 AM
I bought a PS2 off Ebay because I am in baseball fever and XBOX 360 has 0 good baseball games. So I went for the all-time classic and the best baseball game ever made - MVP Baseball 2005 for PS2. Now I wait eagerly for it to arrive.
mattshaw78 @ 8/15/2009 9:13 AM
30 games above .500 not too shabby
Allanfan20 @ 8/15/2009 3:51 PM
Not too shabby of an improvement from last year either.
TMS @ 8/15/2009 4:04 PM
all this w/ARod not even being ARod this year... this team has proven they can win without him at the top of his game... hopefully that helps him relax a little in the postseason
nyk4ever @ 8/15/2009 5:34 PM
Posted by TMS:

all this w/ARod not even being ARod this year... this team has proven they can win without him at the top of his game... hopefully that helps him relax a little in the postseason

If Arod plays this way in this postseason the Yankees shouldn't lose one game throughout. He definitely does seem relaxed. Maybe we owe it all to Kate Hudson?
Finestrg @ 8/16/2009 12:18 AM
Huge back to back Ks by Robertson. That last pitch was probably a little low but I thought that 2-2 pitch was strike 3 so whatever..

Thing with this kid Robertson, there's definitely a little spike in the velocity with the fastball lately -- his heater's more 93-94 lately rather that 89-91. That's a big difference. This dude's fastball's pin straight but if he can dial it up a few extra clicks, he'll definitely be more successful. I feel much better about this kid lately. Struck out Papi Ortiz looking to end the game the other night with a 95 mph fastball. He's growing on me.
Finestrg @ 8/16/2009 12:47 AM
Ichiro, man what an idiot. How the hell do you get thrown out trying to steal 3rd with Russell Branyon at the plate down 2? He's already fast as hell and in scoring position, it's two out so he's gone on contact. Branyon's got almost 30 HRs.. WTF... LOL!!

Good job by Coke getting Griffey. Giff's just a shell of what he used to be man. It's to the point now that I really think we can get him out in a big spot - you never would've thought that about this guy several years back..

Back to Robertson for a sec. I was thinking about it - stuff-wise the one guy this guy really reminds me of is Sid Fernandez. Sid had that unique delivery where he hid the ball well & kinda short-armed it up there but the end result's about the same: sneaky-fast straight fastball that guys just don't seem to pick up well at all, along with the plus curveball. Only difference is Robertson's a righthander and actually throws a little harder than El Sid did. This kid's been good - this whole bullpen's really come full circle. Nice to see..

[Edited by - finestrg on 08-16-2009 12:59 AM]
djsunyc @ 8/16/2009 10:38 AM
we are not man...we are MACHINE!!!
nyk4ever @ 8/16/2009 7:55 PM
Posted by Finestrg:

Ichiro, man what an idiot. How the hell do you get thrown out trying to steal 3rd with Russell Branyon at the plate down 2? He's already fast as hell and in scoring position, it's two out so he's gone on contact. Branyon's got almost 30 HRs.. WTF... LOL!!

Good job by Coke getting Griffey. Giff's just a shell of what he used to be man. It's to the point now that I really think we can get him out in a big spot - you never would've thought that about this guy several years back..

Back to Robertson for a sec. I was thinking about it - stuff-wise the one guy this guy really reminds me of is Sid Fernandez. Sid had that unique delivery where he hid the ball well & kinda short-armed it up there but the end result's about the same: sneaky-fast straight fastball that guys just don't seem to pick up well at all, along with the plus curveball. Only difference is Robertson's a righthander and actually throws a little harder than El Sid did. This kid's been good - this whole bullpen's really come full circle. Nice to see..

[Edited by - finestrg on 08-16-2009 12:59 AM]

Don't be dissin Griffey while I'm around

I have to call myself the biggest Griffey fan around - if he ever went into the room at my parents house, he'd probably think I was stalking him lol, poster after poster, signed baseballs, jerseys, plaques, baseball cards lol. It's sad to see him break down and it really makes me feel old since I remember watching him in his rookie season... for some reason I thought he was just so cool. I still cherish each AB I get to see whenever the Yankees/M's play now, I'm hoping he gets to 700HR, but I don't think that's gonna happen. Oh well.
GKFv2 @ 8/17/2009 12:07 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

we are not man...we are MACHINE!!!

Except for Joba. Getting outpitched by Mitre this week = major fail.
TMS @ 8/17/2009 2:20 PM
Nick Swisher's been very productive for us this year & several Yankee teammates & his own manager have credited him w/the much improved cameraderie & chemistry in the clubhouse... say what u want about his on the field antics, but he's been a tremendous acquisition
jimimou @ 8/17/2009 2:24 PM
good article on jeter and tex on defense.....

August 17, 2009, 12:17 pm
Jeter, Teixeira and Defense
By Tyler Kepner
SEATTLE – Over eight seasons covering the Yankees, I’ve heard over and over that the writers glorify Derek Jeter, blindly praising his intangibles while ignoring what’s right in front of us: that Jeter is a terrible fielder who hurts his team on defense.

Now, in 2009, Jeter is a wonderful fielder and first baseman Mark Teixeira is the one who’s overrated. At least, I’ve heard that suggestion the last few days.

On Sunday, Jeter set the career record for hits by a shortstop. It’s notable that someone often criticized for his defense has stayed at the position long enough to set that record.

Here’s what Jeter said Sunday about his longevity: “You want to try to improve yourself. You’re going to have good years and you’re going to have bad years, but you have to try to take care of yourself and put in a lot of work. I’ve been fortunate, but I think I have a few more years left in this game.”

I’ve always contended Jeter’ defense has not hurt the team as much as some people think. Now, has he been better in the field this season? Sure, but look at the reasons, none of which have anything to do with Jeter himself.


He has a new infield coach, Mick Kelleher, whom he trusts and has known for many years. He has a better first baseman in Teixeira. And he plays behind pitchers more capable of hitting their spots than their predecessors, meaning, in theory, that hitters more often hit the ball where the fielders expect it to go.

Jeter is also playing on a new home field and might have made a change in his workout habits, though he never talks about that. I don’t know how those factors might have impacted him.

The point is, there are so many factors that go into a player’s defense. I was chatting about defensive metrics with some Yankees on Sunday, and one of them put it this way: “The only way to really compare fielders would be to have all 30 shortstops try to make the same plays under all the same conditions: the infield, the pitch, the speed of the runner, how hard the ball’s hit, on and on and on. And that’s impossible.”

Look, I like statistics. I’m friendly with stats-minded folks at Baseball Prospectus and ESPN. I have a bookmark for the Fangraphs website. I grew up reading Bill James and I’ve written some nice things about him over the years.

But I also spend my workdays talking to people who know baseball a whole lot better than I do, because they play it or coach it at the highest level. And I don’t think I’ve met anyone in uniform who gives credibility to defensive statistics. When one stat (UZR) says Teixeira has negatively impacted the Yankees in the field, well, it’s hard to take that stat seriously.

Teixeira is a savant in the field. Do you know why he’s always sliding for balls to his right? Because he hates the 3-1 play. Teixeira understands that gathering a ball without dropping to his knees takes him a few steps farther from first base, meaning he’ll probably have to flip to the pitcher covering, greatly increasing the variables that can go wrong. It happened to him once as a young player in Texas, when pitcher R.A. Dickey fumbled a toss as he looked down for the bag, and Teixeira vowed to make more of an effort to take the ball himself. So that’s what he does.

In 12 seasons as a beat writer, I’ve covered three exceptional first basemen: David Segui, Doug Mientkiewicz and Teixeira. I don’t know what their stats were, but I could tell what a difference they made with my eyes (yes, eyes are a valuable tool when evaluating players). And I could tell the opposite, too.

Todd Zeile and Jason Giambi are two of my favorite people I’ve ever covered. But their defense at first base did not help their teams.

I remember a Mets game in Los Angeles in 2000 when Zeile made a wild throw to second on a double play. It pulled shortstop Rey Ordonez off the bag, and when he came down, the runner slammed into his arm with his helmet on a headfirst slide. The fracture cost Ordonez the rest of the season, and the Mets traded Melvin Mora to get Mike Bordick to replace him. The deal cost the Mets about eight productive seasons from Mora.

And Giambi? Well, you all remember his madcap antics in the field.

It’s pretty simple. Jeter knows what he’s doing in the field. He’s not great, but he’s good enough. He doesn’t hurt his team on defense and never really has. Teixeira is an excellent fielder who helps the team a lot in the field. Maybe all that stuff just can’t be measured. The people who play the game don’t think it can be, and they know a whole lot better than those of us who don’t.
SupremeCommander @ 8/17/2009 3:59 PM
Posted by jimimou:

good article on jeter and tex on defense.....

August 17, 2009, 12:17 pm
Jeter, Teixeira and Defense
By Tyler Kepner
SEATTLE – Over eight seasons covering the Yankees, I’ve heard over and over that the writers glorify Derek Jeter, blindly praising his intangibles while ignoring what’s right in front of us: that Jeter is a terrible fielder who hurts his team on defense.

Now, in 2009, Jeter is a wonderful fielder and first baseman Mark Teixeira is the one who’s overrated. At least, I’ve heard that suggestion the last few days.

On Sunday, Jeter set the career record for hits by a shortstop. It’s notable that someone often criticized for his defense has stayed at the position long enough to set that record.

Here’s what Jeter said Sunday about his longevity: “You want to try to improve yourself. You’re going to have good years and you’re going to have bad years, but you have to try to take care of yourself and put in a lot of work. I’ve been fortunate, but I think I have a few more years left in this game.”

I’ve always contended Jeter’ defense has not hurt the team as much as some people think. Now, has he been better in the field this season? Sure, but look at the reasons, none of which have anything to do with Jeter himself.


He has a new infield coach, Mick Kelleher, whom he trusts and has known for many years. He has a better first baseman in Teixeira. And he plays behind pitchers more capable of hitting their spots than their predecessors, meaning, in theory, that hitters more often hit the ball where the fielders expect it to go.

Jeter is also playing on a new home field and might have made a change in his workout habits, though he never talks about that. I don’t know how those factors might have impacted him.

The point is, there are so many factors that go into a player’s defense. I was chatting about defensive metrics with some Yankees on Sunday, and one of them put it this way: “The only way to really compare fielders would be to have all 30 shortstops try to make the same plays under all the same conditions: the infield, the pitch, the speed of the runner, how hard the ball’s hit, on and on and on. And that’s impossible.”

Look, I like statistics. I’m friendly with stats-minded folks at Baseball Prospectus and ESPN. I have a bookmark for the Fangraphs website. I grew up reading Bill James and I’ve written some nice things about him over the years.

But I also spend my workdays talking to people who know baseball a whole lot better than I do, because they play it or coach it at the highest level. And I don’t think I’ve met anyone in uniform who gives credibility to defensive statistics. When one stat (UZR) says Teixeira has negatively impacted the Yankees in the field, well, it’s hard to take that stat seriously.

Teixeira is a savant in the field. Do you know why he’s always sliding for balls to his right? Because he hates the 3-1 play. Teixeira understands that gathering a ball without dropping to his knees takes him a few steps farther from first base, meaning he’ll probably have to flip to the pitcher covering, greatly increasing the variables that can go wrong. It happened to him once as a young player in Texas, when pitcher R.A. Dickey fumbled a toss as he looked down for the bag, and Teixeira vowed to make more of an effort to take the ball himself. So that’s what he does.

In 12 seasons as a beat writer, I’ve covered three exceptional first basemen: David Segui, Doug Mientkiewicz and Teixeira. I don’t know what their stats were, but I could tell what a difference they made with my eyes (yes, eyes are a valuable tool when evaluating players). And I could tell the opposite, too.

Todd Zeile and Jason Giambi are two of my favorite people I’ve ever covered. But their defense at first base did not help their teams.

I remember a Mets game in Los Angeles in 2000 when Zeile made a wild throw to second on a double play. It pulled shortstop Rey Ordonez off the bag, and when he came down, the runner slammed into his arm with his helmet on a headfirst slide. The fracture cost Ordonez the rest of the season, and the Mets traded Melvin Mora to get Mike Bordick to replace him. The deal cost the Mets about eight productive seasons from Mora.

And Giambi? Well, you all remember his madcap antics in the field.

It’s pretty simple. Jeter knows what he’s doing in the field. He’s not great, but he’s good enough. He doesn’t hurt his team on defense and never really has. Teixeira is an excellent fielder who helps the team a lot in the field. Maybe all that stuff just can’t be measured. The people who play the game don’t think it can be, and they know a whole lot better than those of us who don’t.

good read... all I know is down the stretch or in October I've never had an "OHMYGOD THE BALL IS HEADED TO JETER" moment
nyk4ever @ 8/17/2009 4:52 PM
Posted by TMS:

Nick Swisher's been very productive for us this year & several Yankee teammates & his own manager have credited him w/the much improved cameraderie & chemistry in the clubhouse... say what u want about his on the field antics, but he's been a tremendous acquisition

Totally agree dude. I'm a big Swisher fan - I just like the way he plays the game.
Finestrg @ 8/17/2009 7:02 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by TMS:

Nick Swisher's been very productive for us this year & several Yankee teammates & his own manager have credited him w/the much improved cameraderie & chemistry in the clubhouse... say what u want about his on the field antics, but he's been a tremendous acquisition

Totally agree dude. I'm a big Swisher fan - I just like the way he plays the game.

Yeah, seems like a real cool dude - very easy to root for. He's a beast righthanded at the plate too. I wish he hit righthanded all the time. Too bad he gets a majority of his ABs from the left side..
nyk4ever @ 8/17/2009 11:01 PM
Posted by Finestrg:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by TMS:

Nick Swisher's been very productive for us this year & several Yankee teammates & his own manager have credited him w/the much improved cameraderie & chemistry in the clubhouse... say what u want about his on the field antics, but he's been a tremendous acquisition

Totally agree dude. I'm a big Swisher fan - I just like the way he plays the game.

Yeah, seems like a real cool dude - very easy to root for. He's a beast righthanded at the plate too. I wish he hit righthanded all the time. Too bad he gets a majority of his ABs from the left side..

Yeah he has a ton more power right-handed, which is usually the case with switch-hitters. I hope we keep him after this year, if you ask me theres always a spot for a guy who plays the game like Swish does.
GKFv2 @ 8/18/2009 1:31 AM
Shut out by fucking Brett Tomko. Terrible.
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