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TMS @ 3/15/2010 6:14 PM
jusnice wrote:I would also be OK if Aceves wins the 5th spot. I like him a lot.

i'd be fine w/that... Joba belongs in the bullpen anyway & Hughes has yet to prove himself in any other role except as a late inning reliever himself... eventually tho i'd like to build Hughes up to be our #5 guy & just groom Joba as our setup man & eventual successor to Mo.

TMS @ 3/15/2010 10:50 PM
update on that Hecchevaria kid from Cuba that we were looking at... seems like he'll be signing w/the Jays cuz of concerns over Jeter's impending contract extension.
jimimou @ 3/16/2010 1:57 PM
still a few weeks away, but joe thinks he's got his opening line-up pretty much wrapped up:


TAMPA, Fla. -- Yankees manager Joe Girardi didn't name names on Sunday morning as he discussed what he's envisioning so far as his opening day lineup. Not that he had to.

Said Girardi: "The one thing you prefer is if you're going to hit a left-hander fifth, you prefer to have a switch-hitter sixth, then maybe a left-hander seventh, then a switch-hitter eighth, then maybe another left-hander."

What does that mean? Here's the lineup the Yankees will likely use on Tuesday against the Astros, which Girardi said will closely resemble the one he wants to use April 4 in Boston.

Derek Jeter
Nick Johnson
Mark Teixeira
Alex Rodriguez
Robinson Cano
Jorge Posada
Curtis Granderson
Nick Swisher
Brett Gardner

The name that stands out is Robinson Cano, whose epic struggles with runners in scoring position last season nearly overshadowed what was otherwise a banner year. But Girardi's decision to try Cano in the middle of the order seems to offer more proof that Girardi truly believes Cano's issues with runners on last year were more a function of bad luck than a reflection of true skill.

"Of course that's something I take pride (in)," Cano said of being viewed as a middle of the order bat. "It's more than an honor to hit behind A-Rod and in front of Posada."

Girardi could hit Posada, a switch hitter, in the fifth slot. But he wants to avoid the prospect of having three of the next four hitters as lefties, an alignment that would make the Yankees vulnerable to left-handed relievers late in games.

Girardi could also use Curtis Granderson, another lefty, in fifth. But he is leaning toward Cano because of his contact skills, though Granderson has hit for power.


"Power is not so important to me," Girardi said. "It's the ability to hit for average. Robbie's not going to strike out much and the (left-right) splits are pretty even."

Of course, Girardi offers this caveat: "Nothing's etched in stone."

jusnice @ 3/16/2010 3:01 PM
Good article...I'm getting really excited.

In the end, Red Sox vs. Yankees will again be decided by starters
Forget Boston's fancy run-prevention metrics, forget how the Yankees might deploy their left fielders and center fielders, how much damage David Ortiz can still do, whether New York is too old, whether Boston is too old, who has the better bullpen... forget all of the hair-splitting analysis wasted over whether Boston or New York is the better team.

It really is this simple: the team that gets the most starts out of its planned five-man rotation will be the better team. That's right, both teams can spend $350 million combined on players, assign squadrons of number crunchers to analyze the life out of the game, hold staff meetings late into the night to worry about what Triple-A middle reliever might be needed around August, and the battle will be won simply by which team's top five starters take the ball most often. All that architectural planning and scheming and it all comes down to crossing your fingers when it comes to how well five pitching arms hold up.

I know this to be true because Curt Schilling told me years ago. His theory was that the Red Sox and Yankees are so evenly matched that the team that gets the most starts out of its top five starters will be the better team. It's amazing how right he has been.

Last year, for instance, the Yankees' top five starters made 139 starts to Boston's 121. New York won eight more games and the World Series. Indeed, so freakish was the run of good luck by the Yankees with their starters that they had four starters make at least 31 starts -- for the first time in the history of the franchise.

But that's just one year. Let's look at the past seven years, the era in which Boston and New York essentially have been near-equal rivals, and examine the correlation between which team got the most starts from its top five and which team had the most wins.

Yankees' Starters vs. Red Sox' Starters
2003-2009
Year Most Starts Most Wins
2009 New York (+18) New York (+8)
2008 Boston (+35) Boston (+8)
2007 Boston (+35) Boston (+2)
2006 New York (+29) New York (+11)
2005 Boston (+25) Tied
2004 Boston (+31) New York (+3)
2003 New York (+12) New York (+6)

Schilling has been right four straight years. Only once in the past seven years did the team with more starts have fewer wins, but even that occasion needs an explanation. It happened in 2004, when the Red Sox -- who got an incredible 157 starts from five starters -- may have had three fewer regular season wins than New York but beat the Yankees in the ALCS and won the World Series.

So determining who is better this year, the Red Sox or Yankees, becomes a very simple exercise: just forecast which team will get more starts out of its top five starters. And when you do that, the answer becomes obvious: the Yankees will be the better team.

Look at Boston's rotation. After Josh Beckett and Jon Lester, who are reliable, the Red Sox have John Lackey, who has missed 15 starts the past two years, Daisuke Matsuzaka, whose innings have decreased two straight years and already came up with a stiff neck in spring training, and Clay Buchholz, who has yet to throw 100 innings in a big league season.

New York's rotation is far more reliable. It features three of the nine most durable starters in baseball over the past five years as measured by innings: CC Sabathia (first), Javier Vazquez (eighth) and Andy Pettitte (ninth). A.J. Burnett ranks 24th after back-to-back 200-inning seasons. The fifth spot remains an open competition among Joba Chamberlain, Phil Hughes, Chad Gaudin, Sergio Mitre and Alfredo Aceves.

When you line up the 2009 workloads of the top four starters for each team, the New York quartet covered 28 more starts and 200 more innings than the Boston group, a huge gap in reliability. The more reliable rotation means more starts, and more starts means more wins.

Schilling's theory made me think about whether it held up outside the New York-Boston rivalry. So I looked at the number of starts in 2009 by the top five starters of each team. (I defined the top five starters as the planned rotation at the start of the season. For instance, Brandon Webb was one of Arizona's top starters, though he broke down after one start.)

Here are the leaders:

1. San Francisco, 144

2. Milwaukee, 142

3. Yankees, 139

4. St. Louis, 137

5. Tampa Bay, 133

6. Atlanta, 130

And here are the trailers:

25. Kansas City, 88

26. Washington, 83

27. Texas, 79

28. Cleveland, 76

29. San Diego, 69

30. Baltimore, 66

Here's what jumps out: all of the leaders but one (the Brewers) had winning records and all of the trailers but one (the Rangers) had losing records.

The median number of starts from teams' top five starters was 120. Of the 14 teams above the median, 11 had winning records. Of the 14 below the median, 10 had losing records.

Here are some more nuggets to chew on when it comes to the correlation between durable starters and winning:

• Over the past five years, 60 teams have had three starters make at least 30 starts, or 40 percent of all teams. But such teams with at least three durable starters made up 80 percent of the World Series teams (8 of 10).

• Only 15 teams over the past five years were lucky enough to have four starters take the ball 30 times, including those 2009 Yankees. Of those 15 teams, 12 had winning records and 10 went to the playoffs.

• Don Cooper of the White Sox is one of the most underrated pitching coaches in baseball. His staffs are consistently durable. Over the past five years his pitchers have made 30 starts 20 times, an extraordinary record. The Yankees and Red Sox, for instance, during that span are tied -- what else did you expect? -- with 13 times one of their pitchers made 30 starts.

• Wonder why teams stay down? Over the past five years the teams with the fewest times a pitcher made 30 starts are the Royals and Rangers (7), followed by the Padres, Blue Jays and Orioles (8). Combined playoff games won by those five teams over the past five years: one.

It's a simple correlation but it makes a lot of sense. Walk into any camp today and ask the general manager if he would sign up right now for a season in which his top five starters make all of their starts. Chances are they would take that deal in a heartbeat.

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TMS @ 3/17/2010 6:56 AM

put Joba in the pen already... he's a reliever & a damn good one.

TMS @ 3/17/2010 7:13 AM
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Tenor Tynan turns in pinstripes for Red Sox jersey
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Spurned by the Yankees, Ronan Tynan has found a new team to sing for.

The Irish tenor, known for his rendition of "God Bless America" during Yankees games, was banned by the team during the postseason after he reportedly made anti-Semitic remarks.

Sunday, during a gathering of Boston politicians for a Saint Patty’s Breakfast, Tynan graced a Red Sox jersey before singing the patriotic tune.

“I know you've known my record from the other side,” Tynan told the crowd, according to NECN. “But whether you wear pinstripes or red socks, you sing a song about a great country, and that is what it's really about."

Tynan moved to Boston earlier this month.

(backstory on the incident that caused him to be nixed by the Yanks:
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/item_...)

jimimou @ 3/17/2010 8:40 AM
TMS wrote:http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/backpage/t...

Tenor Tynan turns in pinstripes for Red Sox jersey
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1:19 PM, March 15, 2010 ι POST STAFF REPORT

Spurned by the Yankees, Ronan Tynan has found a new team to sing for.

The Irish tenor, known for his rendition of "God Bless America" during Yankees games, was banned by the team during the postseason after he reportedly made anti-Semitic remarks.

Sunday, during a gathering of Boston politicians for a Saint Patty’s Breakfast, Tynan graced a Red Sox jersey before singing the patriotic tune.

“I know you've known my record from the other side,” Tynan told the crowd, according to NECN. “But whether you wear pinstripes or red socks, you sing a song about a great country, and that is what it's really about."

Tynan moved to Boston earlier this month.

(backstory on the incident that caused him to be nixed by the Yanks:
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/item_...)

he'll fit in nicely up there. a racist town for a racist guy. god bless america.

Finestrg @ 3/22/2010 4:21 PM
Hughes was a real mixed bag today coming in after AJ and Royce Ring. This guy Ring may make the club btw -- lefty doesn't throw too hard but has a nice sweeping breaking ball against lefties. I think Joe may want to carry 2 lefties - he said he liked having the option last year. Back to Hughes - he had some punchouts and actually had a nice curveball & good change today but he did give up a ton of hard hit balls, 3 of which left the yard including a walk-off dinger. Fastball was mostly in the mid to high 80s only hitting 90 a few times. Surprised me a little -- this guy was hitting 95 out of the bullpen last year. I know they're two totally different roles and you can pretty much air it out working out of the bullpen but regardless of role, when he's 88-90 with the heat he struggles and when he went down to the bullpen and became a short man, the velocity was much better (consistently in the mid 90s), and he had much better success. Opening day's not too far away. I know they've had quite a few rainouts and the pitchers have had trouble getting their work in, but Hughes has gotta find a way to build up some arm strength quickly here and sustain it. It's funny, with some guys velocity doesn't mean anything, but for this kid I think getting that heater back up a few ticks means a world of difference. Where the 10 MPH go?
TMS @ 3/22/2010 4:42 PM
the changeup that Hughes is working on should help w/his velocity fluctuation... hopefully he has a complete feel for that pitch working by Opening Day... obviously both Hughes & Joba's velocity falls off by at least 3-4 mph when they're starting as opposed to pitching relief... hell, even Chan Ho Park was throwing in the mid 90s as a late inning reliever last year.

would have been nice to have someone like Aroldis Chapman on the team to work out of the pen if not as a starter... that would have given u a nasty flame throwing lefty to match up against any tough lefty hitter in the majors as a big weapon in your pen (not that he hasn't already looked very impressive as a starter this Spring)... right now i would say our 5th starter role should go to Hughes & Aceves should be our longman in the pen w/Joba serving out of the setup role barring any major developments in performance.

djsunyc @ 3/22/2010 4:52 PM
no need for chapman when cliff lee will be wearing pinstripes in another year.
TMS @ 3/22/2010 5:25 PM
no need for Chapman this year when Lee will be a Yankee next year? how's that work exactly?
djsunyc @ 3/23/2010 10:57 AM
TMS wrote:no need for Chapman this year when Lee will be a Yankee next year? how's that work exactly?

i think ca$h money has plans on how to spend the money. we just won a world series. we want to see where hughes + joba are this year. and he eyes a big fish in cliff lee for the rotation next offseason.

if that's the case, then why waste $$$'s on chapman now?

TMS @ 3/23/2010 3:04 PM
because he's a flame throwing dominant lefty would have been a good reason to sign him now in my book... we're not exactly hurting for cash when a high profile player comes along in free agency that the organization feels will put us over the top... if you don't make the trade for Javy you have more than enough cash to cover Chapman's salary this season, & next season when guys like Crawford & Lee become available i have no doubt the Yankees would still be able to step up to the plate & offer them contacts, especially with Andy Pettitte, Nick Johnson, Chad Gaudin, Chan Ho Park, Randy Winn & Sergio Mitre's contracts all coming off the books after this season, which amounts to at least $24 mil in payroll in total.

dude, we traded for a guy who failed miserably in his last stint in NY to be our #4 starter this year & spent $10.5 mil on his salary as well as giving up our starting CFer & a pretty clutch hitter in Melky & 2 talented prospects in Dunn & Vizcaino to do it... we would have saved money this year by signing Chapman & still had Melky, Dunn & Vizcaino to use as assets for future trades if need be.

this is the second time Cash money has gone aggressively after Javier Vazquez in a trade & gave up assets that we should have held onto... the first time blew up in our faces after we gave up Nick Johnson, Juan Rivera & Randy Choate, & now he goes & does it again... i just don't understand the move or what is up with Cash's weird fascination with Javy V... the guy isn't a great pitcher & he treats him like he is... there were FA options out there we could have had for nothing but a cash deal that would have cost us less this season & we should have taken a look at.

why don't we go out & trade for Jeff Weaver too? i hear he's available & would probably come cheap... i mean he did a great job in NY the first time... let's bring back Jose Contreras too while we're at it & give Kei Igawa a shot to compete for that #5 spot, i think it's important that we make sure we give every mistake Cashman made as a GM another chance to see if they can prove him right the second time around.

djsunyc @ 3/23/2010 4:13 PM
settle down young buck. for all we know, yanks looked at chapman and decided to pass b/c they didn't see something they liked.
TMS @ 3/23/2010 4:56 PM
we had already traded for Javy V two & a half weeks before Chapman got signed by the Reds... it could be that his people were asking for too much from us in a free agent deal... that would really be the only legitimate explanation... even still, to bring in a #4 starter that's only on rental for 1 year, u don't give up young assets... to me, this is akin to Cash trading 4 prospects for Denny Neagle, another veteran 1 year rent-a-player #4 starter that didn't factor much into our success that year... we already had a championship team in place w/o him back then & we already had a championship team in place w/o Javy now.
BigSm00th @ 3/23/2010 6:11 PM
don't write off javy b/c of 04. lets just wait and see how this season unfolds. chapman may not pitch in the bigs, and javy could very well be a stud as a 4th starter. true, we traded for javy 2.5 weeks before chapman signed but obviously he had been scouted well before that.
TMS @ 3/23/2010 6:28 PM
regardless of how the season unfolds i'm questioning the logic behind trading assets for a #4 pitcher rent-a-player here... who knows, Javy could possibly be a great acquisition, but i was never sold on this guy from even before we traded for him the first time & i'm not sold on him now either... he put up a nice ERA pitching in the the NL last season, but his career ERA pitching in the AL is a very ordinary 4.52 & his postseason ERA is a ridiculous 10.34... don't tell me u'r not concerned about this guy pitching in a must win type situation in a short series... Melky, Dunn, Vizcaino & $10.5M on a guy we can't even trust in a big game situation?
TMS @ 3/23/2010 8:20 PM
Yankees place pitcher Chad Gaudin on waivers, according to report
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"And then there were four.

The Yankees placed pitcher Chad Gaudin on waivers today, according to Ed Price of AOL Fanhouse, an indication that the right-hander is no longer among those in the race for the final spot in the starting rotation.

Gaudin avoided arbitration this offseason when he signed a one-year, $2.95 million deal with the Yankees. But if he clears waivers, the Yankees can send the pitcher to the minors or release him by paying only a portion of his contract."

BigSm00th @ 3/23/2010 11:31 PM
TMS wrote:regardless of how the season unfolds i'm questioning the logic behind trading assets for a #4 pitcher rent-a-player here... who knows, Javy could possibly be a great acquisition, but i was never sold on this guy from even before we traded for him the first time & i'm not sold on him now either... he put up a nice ERA pitching in the the NL last season, but his career ERA pitching in the AL is a very ordinary 4.52 & his postseason ERA is a ridiculous 10.34... don't tell me u'r not concerned about this guy pitching in a must win type situation in a short series... Melky, Dunn, Vizcaino & $10.5M on a guy we can't even trust in a big game situation?

fair points, but we won the world series without a #4 starter last year.

TMS @ 3/24/2010 12:04 AM
BigSm00th wrote:
TMS wrote:regardless of how the season unfolds i'm questioning the logic behind trading assets for a #4 pitcher rent-a-player here... who knows, Javy could possibly be a great acquisition, but i was never sold on this guy from even before we traded for him the first time & i'm not sold on him now either... he put up a nice ERA pitching in the the NL last season, but his career ERA pitching in the AL is a very ordinary 4.52 & his postseason ERA is a ridiculous 10.34... don't tell me u'r not concerned about this guy pitching in a must win type situation in a short series... Melky, Dunn, Vizcaino & $10.5M on a guy we can't even trust in a big game situation?

fair points, but we won the world series without a #4 starter last year.

last year the TV scheduling fell in our favor so we had the extra day off in between games 3 & 4, so we didn't have to go w/a 4th starter... that might not happen this season.

i just hope we're not relying on him in any must win type situation this year... if he proves me wrong about him i'll be more than happy to eat my words, cuz i just want this team to win bottomline.

TMS @ 3/25/2010 3:29 AM
looks like Hughes has won the #5 starter's role... now can we please lay to rest the whole Joba as a starter experiment & leave him in the bullpen where he belongs so he can grow into his role & stop jerking this kid around?
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